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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Warwickshire => England => Warwickshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: wileman 121 on Monday 17 April 06 09:27 BST (UK)
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good morning i have spent most of last night and this morning trying to solv this one and hope someone can help here we go
i know for certain my gt gt grandad was george wileman and was born around kingsbury nuneaton hurley
so i thought i found him george wileman b 1886 kingsbury to charles wileman and mary jane barker
and he married my gt gt grandma adelaide salisbury in nuneaton in 1913 so he must have been born before 1897 or he couldnt have married
anyway i found this info yesterday which leads me to think he isnt my gt gt grandad as my gt grandad was born in 1921 any help would be welcome ???
In Memory of
Stoker 1st Class GEORGE WILEMAN
308500, H.M.S. "Queen Mary.", Royal Navy
who died age 29
on 31 May 1916
Son of Mr. and Mrs. C. Wileman, of 37, Coventry Rd., Kingsbury,
Warwickshire.
Remembered with honour
PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
Commemorated in perpetuity by
the Commonwealth War Graves Commission
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what was your gt gdfathers name?
Monique
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Usually, the Commonwealth War Graves Commission lists the wife's name; sometimes both the wife's name and the parents' names.
Since the wife's name is not listed, perhaps it is simply a coincidence and "the Stoker" George Wileman was a single man.
After all, George is a popular name.
UKgirl
PS.
An alternative explanation may be that a lonely war widow found some happiness and then gave birth to your great grandfather. Not an uncommon story for those days.
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my gt grandfather was earnest samuel wileman born in nuneaton c 1921 regards jason
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that could be an explanation uk girl but she would have found happiness another 7 times between 1916 and 1923 and told them all there father was george wileman
as her and george had 8 children together all in nuneaton regards jason :)
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how about this George Wileman in the 1901
brother in law age 14, lorry boy (carman) b Hurley
living at 9 Terrace d? Lawrence st, civil parish birmingham
with george bartlet 29, railway carman b henley in andrew
florance a, 28, b kingsbury
cyril 11m b birmingham
rg13/2838, 109,15
I'll have a look for florance on the 1891
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Hello again,
Well it's definitely a good thing to know that she had SO MUCH happiness ;D. I am very pleased for her.
So, it looks as if it was simply a coincidence?? Your George's death must have been much later.
UKgirl
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no sorry-that one leads back to Charles and Mary Jane -fanny and George are at home with them in 1891
Monique
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thanks for looking i just keep getting stuck and comeing back to dead ends the only thing i could really have a go at is ordering george and adelaides marriage cert but i dont have a clue how to do that who to phone i know they married nuneaton in 1913 ive seen in on freebmd ? regards jason :)
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Hello again,
Out of interest, if you knew that so many children were born up until 1923, why did you look for their father's death among the First World War casualties?
Perhaps it's a stupid question, but I am a bit curious.
UKgirl
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no thats quite true the answer is up until yesterday i posted my family tree on Genes Reunited and found someone that i thought was related to me so we got talking and he told me he couldnt be my george wileman as he died in the war and sent me that via email so that completely crushed 3 months worth of work on the wileman side
and i just cant belive it regards jason :)
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You can order certificates direct from GRO online at
www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
You will need the reference you have got from FreeBMD.
or try Nuneaton Register Office direct
Riversley Park, Coton Road, Nuneaton, CV11 5HA tel: 02476 348941
The reference will not be relevant to the local office but if you know the quarter and year and the names they should be able to find it for you.
Hope this helps.
Pinetree
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thanks verry much regards jason
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I see his name is George T Wileman on FreeBMD. Might help narrow down the search ;)
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was that for the birth or marriage regards jason :)
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It's for the marriage you quoted ;D (if we are talking about the same marriage, of course: bride named Salisbury)
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yes that is for certain well im 99% sure of that as my gt gran said that my gt grandads fathers name was george and he came from around kingsbury area she thinks but my gt gt gran was called addy and that was short for something but she didnt know her maiden name then i looked on free bmd and there was george wileman married adelaide salisbury in nuneaton 1913.
so we are now looking for a george t wileman
thanks regards jason :)
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Jason! Do you mean you don't even have your grandfather's birth cert :o ::) :P
Do you know when Addy died so that we can at least check whether her name was Adelaide?
Tanja :)
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Jason,
I think you have the right marriage. I have found the GRO reference for your Gr Grandfather's birth and mother's maiden name is Salisbury, as follows:
June Quarter 1921 - Nuneaton - 6d 1306
Ernest S Wileman.
All the best,
Pinetree ;)
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I'm stuck too :( Can't find any George T. :-\
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In the 1881, there is head of house George Wileman, 43, coal higgler, also born Hurley, wife Sarah, 34, Manchester, and
elizabeth 12, louisa 10, jessie 6??, agnes 5, ada 3, arthur 1 (whew)
at that rate George could have been born the following year
Monique
rg12/2771 22,10
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On FreeBMD there is a birth for a George Thomas Wileman March Quarter 1893 in Burton 6b 404.
Looking at 1901 census index it looks like he was born in Swadlincote, he was also living there in 1901 but I do not have any credits to get the full details for you I'm afraid. I think this is about 15-20 miles away from Kingsbury but it could be a possibility as he would have been 20 at the time of the 1913 marriage.
Pinetree
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I'll have a look - watch this space.
Tanja :)
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Well done, Pinetree :D (I was lost in Warwickshire)
Here he is:
RG13/2639 32 13
Swadlincote, Derbyshire
45 Church Street
George Wileman, head, 64, Coal miner hewer, b. Derby Measham
Jane, wife, 62, b. do.
George, son, s, 19, coal miner below labourer, b. Derbyshire Newhall
Lucy, dau, s, 16, Works in pot works (can't read), b. do.
George T, grandson, s, 8, b. Swadlincote
Albert, son, s, 14, Horse leader in coal mine, b. Newhall
Just next door, although a little too young to be George's parents:
Henry Wileman, head, 24, Stoker at Colliery boilers, b. Newhall
Eliza, wife, 22, b. Leicester Albert Village
Sarah A, dau, 1, b. Swadlincote
Susan Smith, mother, wid, 72, Relief from parish, b. Normington?
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that looks a good possibility Tati-gives you lots of leads to find the parents too ;)
Monique
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Same family in 1891
RG12/2198 133 3
Church Street Swandlincote
George Wileman, head, 50, Coal miner, b. Derby Measham
Jane, wife, 48, b. Appleby
Ben, son, mar, 28, coal miner, b. Measham
Ann, dau in law, mar, 24, b. do.
John, son, 22, Coal miner, b. Newhall
Mary, dau, 19, Potter, b. do.
Henry, son, 15, Coal miner, b. do.
George, son, 11, scholar, b. do.
Lucy, dau 5, b. do.
Albert, son, 3, b. do.
Several potential culprits :P
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1891-George Wileman North St Swalingcote is listed as stepson with
William S ??? hairdresser 25 Ashley Leics
wife sarah a 31, Swadlincote
stepchildren Harry, 11
george 9
john 7
Samuel J Poy?? 3 son
thomas j freeman 41 brother in law
rg12/2198 150, 12
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In 1910, Dec quarter, a George Wiseman could have married an Ada Hall, in Pancras or an Ada Johnson Bradford ....J.J.
o.K. can't spell is my problem ;D It's Wileman, silly me...basically trying to point out that BMD not complete and so could be others names and other places, as the
bride ( or the one with the money to put on the wedding....)could have lived anywhere...
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just been out doing diy all day and have come back to this it is amazing i think george wileman born in measham is a possibility and i will have a look into it
i will know more when i order the cert regards jason :)
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I am so glad you got all this worked out Jason
Cheers
Karen