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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: penshurst on Wednesday 26 April 06 12:33 BST (UK)
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I am new to Scottish research with an interest in Dumfries before 1837 - TODD.
How does one go about finding the church and/or parish records and accessing them from outside Scotland?
Are there any sites with good explanations?
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if you post what you know I may be able to help
audrey
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I found John TODD clockmaker 48, wife Agnes 48 and family at Queensberry St Dumfries in 1841. I know John was dead by 1853 when Dau Agnes married in Liverpool.
I would like to find their marriage - about 1814+ish?? [going on ages] and/or the births of children who survived - John about 1821, William James Thomas Agnes about 1831, for starters - but - don't know church names or if these are available anyway.
As yet I don't know why Dau Agnes went to Liverpool with her mother - after death of John?? - but assume that the Bros stayed in Dumfries - but haven't followed this as yet.
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can not find any of your TODD births
on 1851 census living High Street Dumfries
John Todd age 49 years Clockmaker
Margaret Todd wife age 49 years
Margaret Todd daughter age 9 years
audrey
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Hi penshurst
Have you looked at this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,8864.0.html
A number of links Dumfries on there.
Have you looked at the IGI, available to search free at:
http://www.familysearch.org
It is not complete but may be of assistance. It is supposed to have all Scottish OPR births/baptisms and marriages there.
Also the official Scottish site for records:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
It is pay per view but if you read the instructions and advice on how to get the most out of it carefully, it can be very useful.
On the IGI I found:
John Todd married Agnes McKeand 5 May 1816
(NB this is a member submitted record rather than extracted so should be treated with a little more caution)
A birth shows up in Kirkcudbright in 1816 for an Isabella (26 Sep 1816) - this is an extracted record.
Don't know if that helps.
Nell
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I can't believe I'm gaining information about a family line I thought would be my brick wall forever. The John TODD in 1851 is the wrong age methinks.
Audrey - Did you see an Agnes TODD about 58 and daughter Agnes about 19 on the 1851 census? - perhaps with a couple of sons still at home.
I feel a little more confident about approaching the Scotland site now.
Thank you both.
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I find this thread interesting because of a few similarities with one of my collateral ancestors.
I have an Adam Burgess b. 1811, clockmaker, in High St (west side), Dumfries in the 1841. He reappears in Gatehouse of Fleet- travelling from Castle Douglas - in 1851 but from the birthplaces of his children he was in Liverpool in the intervening years. The family then move to Liverpool by 1861.
Wonder if there is any connection whatsoever?
Gadget
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hear is the link for 1851 census it is easy to search and totaly free and there is a lot more info there
http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx
audrey
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I found this entry on 1841 FreeCen. He's the only John Todd Clockmaker showing in all FreeCen! By chance, the age would fit the John in the 1851 census in Dumfries:
Milne George 45 England
Milne Agness 35 Outside Census County 1841
Todd John 40 Clock Maker Outside Census County 1841
Leneive Agness 5 England
Wetherly Jane 15 Female Servant Renfrewshire
Address: Ashton, Inverkip-Renfrewshire
In respect of an IGI parent search for John Todd and Agnes McKeand, there are six children showing, all submitted entries:
1. JAMES TODD Birth: 1827 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
2. WILLIAM TODD Birth: 20 JAN 1825/Christening: 23 JAN 1825 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
3. MARGARET CHISHOLM TODD Birth: 06 AUG 1822/Christening: 13 AUG 1822 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
4. JOHN TODD Birth: 1821 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
5. THOMAS TODD Birth: 1831 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
6. AGNES TODD Birth: 1832 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
Regards.
Monica
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Monica
Help me out with what I am doing wrong.
When I do an IGI search for the Todd information you sent me that includes the 6 children of John and Agnes TOOD I can't find anything at all - what am I doing wrong?
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Hi Joy
This is a first for me! If you do the parent search on IGI with Agnes McKeand/Dumfries nothing shows. If you leave Mckeand off up come all the entries..Mmm?!
This is what I put into the search fields to get the submitted entries for their children:
Dumfries, Scotland, British Isles
Father: John Todd, Mother: Agnes
Exact Spelling: Off
I have found Agnes on the 1851 Census by the way, the surname was spelt TOD. Info from the following site: http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx
JOHNSTONE Mary, age 11, SERVANT general, born Tinwald Dms
KIRK Helen, age 25, SERVANT general, born St Mungo Dms
TOD Agness, widow, age 59, FARMER of 22 acres employing 2 women
b. Torthorwald Dms
TOD David, age 31, son, unmarried, Carpenter, b. Kirkmichael Dms
TOD John, age 21, son of Farmer, unmarried, b. Kirkmichael Dms
TOD Thomas, age 24, son of Farmer, unmarried b. Kirkmichael Dms
TOD William, age 28, unmarried, Carpenter, b. Kirkmichael Dms
Address: Broadholm(836)
Parish: Kirkmichael
Household No: 6/1
Monica
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Recently learned (through rootschat) my ggg grandfather John Jardine was born in Dumries. Per the 1851 Maryhill, Glasgow, Barony census he was age 41, a poultry keeper and born in Dumries. Since I received this information I have been looking for a web site that contains Dumries birth information. Is there a site or have I been looking in the wrong area?
yn9man
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Hi yn9man
I haven't come across a specific site for Dumfries' births. Have you had a look at IGI entries for births in Dumfries on Family Search at www.familysearch.org? If you have details of John's parents (from marriage or death cert) you might be lucky and find his birth details, either actual extracts from the OPRs (Old Parish Registers) or a submitted entry (which you would need to verify with other sources).
Regards.
Monica
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Monica -
Thanks for your message. ;D
Yesterday I looked at the IGI entries for births in Dumfries on Family Search. I also looked at a disk containing Scottish Church records. I wasn't successful on either but I am going to another family history center tonight to see what information is there.
yn9man