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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: MRGREEN on Saturday 06 May 06 18:09 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have information on LETITIA WARING.
She was a member of the WARING family from WARINGSTOWN, County Down, Northern Ireland.
She married into my own GREEN family in 1802. I would be particularly interested in Letitia's parents names/history.
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Hi,
There is a collection in the PRONI (Public Records Office of Northern Ireland )relating to the Waring family of Waringstown and Donaghcloney. Check the Proni website (just put PRONI into Google) or try www.rascal.ac.uk (Research and Special Collections available locally) Also, the "Ros Davies " website is an excellent resource for County Down. Just put "Ros Davies" into a Google search.
Hope this helps!
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Hello MRGREEN
Please email me offline as I have a contact with a descendent of the Waring family.
Leslie
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Hello Mr Green,
William Waring built Waringstown house in 1667. He also built the nearby church. The house remained in the family until 1968. http://www.craigavon.gov.uk/Tourism/theritage.asp
Richard Close was married to William Waring's daughter. http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/NIR-ARMAGH/2002-05/1021992235
Colonel Thomas Waring of Waringstown House, Waringstown Co. Down was a magistrate for the County.
He was mentioned in tjhe County Directory (from Bassett's County Down Guide and Directory, 1886)
http://www.libraryireland.com/articles/OfficeBearersDownBassett/index.php
A member of the Northern Family History Society is researching the Waring family of Waringstown.
http://www.nifhs.org/member's_interests_w-z.htm Broken link
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Thanks for any general information at all. I have seen some of it before. If only some specific information on LETITIA WARING herself would turn up.
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Hello Mr Green,
I do not understand this at all Letitia should have been here http://www.familysearch.org It is an extremely well known genealogical site. The name Waring is well known in Ulster..why the Waring family have a town..well a long village in Co. Down..named after them. What do I get when I do a search..either Warings of Ireland location unspecified or Warings of Co. Antrim. None in Co. Down . Do the guys at that genealogical site not realise that the Waring family were so important they even had a street in the centre of the City of Belfast named after them..never mind that village in Co. Down
In 1783 Dorothea Maxwell (the heiress of Finnebrogue, Co. Down) married her cousin John Waring. The site following refers to properties in Waringstown so where does John fit into the picture. http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/private/perceval.htm
An article in the Cavan Herald dated 17th September 1824 mentions that Rev Holt Waring was an Assistant Grand Chaplain of the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland. http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cavan/1824/OCT.html
I have just spotted a Rev Holt Waring. He owned the Waringstown estate in 1832. The second site relates the story of a visit paid by John O'Donovan who was conducting the Ordnance Survey in the area. He happened to call upon Dean Holt Waring on Easter Sunday. One or two phrases in the article interested me. The first "but the name becomes extinct in him, as he has no son but all daughters" The second appeared at the end of the article "(Dean Holt Waring appears to have been Rector of Lurgan from 1798 to 1850)" This made me wonder, since Letitia married in 1802 (possibly in her twenties), whether Dean Waring could have been her father. Did he conduct the marriage service ??? You may be able to find a little more about the Dean by having a look at Rev James Blennerhassett Leslie's series of books The Clergy and Parishes of.... In this instance ....of Armagh may contain the required information. http://www.lecalehistory.co.uk/lewisW.htm
http://www.geocities.com/craigavonhs/rev/malcomsonjohnodono.html
Broken link- please let us know if you find a new link to this information
The Lurgan Directory of 1846 may interest you.
In addition to Rev Holt Waring mention is made of Thomas Waring of Waringsfield. http://www.lurganancestry.net/recordsonline/1846directory/1846dirpage1.html
I presume James Waring was related to Dean Holt Waring, as James son.. Holt married Anne Frew in 1864.
Best Wishes, Chris
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WARING family trees appear in Blackwood Family history manuscript trees in LinenHall library, Belfast, in volumes 27, 29N, 43T, 72 Maxwell, 90, 92
I suggest you ask them for photocopying estimates if they think your knowledge relevant and be prepared to pay the extra for post and packing. However if the material is really relevant when you get it, I suggest a further donation to this unique library that is always needing extra funds. Linen Hall Library,17 Donegall Square North, Belfast BT15GB, Northern Ireland, Telephone: +44 (0)28 9032 1707, Fax: +44 (0)28 9043 8586, Email:info[--at--]linenhall.com.
Good hunting Jim
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I already have the following records about LETITIA WARING.
LETITIA WARING was born in 1780.
(This birth date is based on her age when she died).
I am trying to find LETITIA WARING'S parents names.
LETITIA WARING married WILLIAM GREEN in 1802.
"Both of this Parish by License". Waringstown area.
They had 7 children. 2 sons emigrated to Australia.
(I am a descendant of their eldest son).
LETITIA WARING died in 1852, aged 72.
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Mr Green, I really think you should try writing to the Waring family relatives living in Waringstown House. I traced a current article on google saying they were still living there.. Secondly if you are offered family trees for Waring and cant be bothered to follow them up saying you already know all about Letitia but still demand to know about her parents, where else can you go better than a family tree whose existence is to record parents. The free query about their relevance is a email to the LinenHall Library , the librarian checks to see if Letitia appears in the generations, and emails you back saying no or yes. Yes you may have to pay a pound or two for photocopies to be made and sent to you. Christopher for once didn't find the 184 IGI entries that do exist for Waring's in co Down on familysearch.com, he must have not extended that section but he did point you at PRONI for the family archive. Now to get that looked up by a local professional genealogist will really cost you. For the record and to save others time, I didn't find Letitia Waring or indeed you William Green on the familysearch site. Goodbye Jim
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Sadly, Jim, you are greatly misinformed. I am certainly not "demanding to know" anything, but simply hoping that a fellow rootschat researcher might possibly know who LETITIA WARING'S PARENTS might be.
I have been in direct contact with members of the WARING family.
A large 60 page WARING family tree list has already been shown to me by a living member of the WARING family, and we have discussed LETITIA.
However, the WARING family branch that I have contacted, and myself have no records regarding the PARENTS of LETITIA WARING at present. They do recognise that some other later members of the WARING family were directly named after LETITIA WARING.
I have visited Waringstown Church and was shown the WARING family burial plot there, by the lady 'churchwarden'.
I have already visited the Linenhall Library (23 years ago, to be precise) as they have an extremely well written GREEN family history chart in their possession. However, LETITIA WARING is not mentioned in it.
I have been to the P.R.O.N.I. many times. As yet, LETITIA WARING'S PARENTS have not yet been found. We just know those other details about her life.
We are simply trying to find LETITIA'S PARENT'S names.
This has proved very difficult as most of my family now live in Queensland.
Many thanks to those other rootschat researchers who have been most kind and helpful.
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Mr Green, I apologise I had got tired trying to find a way forward for you. I was the unhappy junior librarian back in about 1961/2 who produced the rushed index for the Blackwood collection in the Linen hall Library out of hours, with some governors and more senior members borrowing the volumes before I could allocated them numbers etc. or indeed even before I had seen the books atall. The higher the volume number the more likely I never got indexing it properly. To explain that after all these years is not easy. Take the volume numbers I quoted 27, 29N, 43T, 72 Maxwell, 90, 92. To me now, none have page numbers which normally should mean most of the book is about that family. T means I had spotted the tree had been rewritten and transferred by Mr Blackwood. But in which direction to a higher or lower volume number never became clear. N means there are extra notes of value rather than just a tree. So please accept my apology and ask the library to make a final search of the 6 volumes mentioned. Good luck, Jim
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OK, Jim, no problems then.
I am a direct descendant of LETITIA WARING'S first son and have spent many years of 'hobby' research trying to find her parents names.
I was in BRISBANE, BUDDINA, and TOOWOOMBA (QUEENSLAND) in January 2006 and discussed LETITIA WARING'S parents with other GREEN family members at some major family reunions. They all have not yet found LETITIA'S parents names. Some have spent up to 25 years
of family history research.
I sat down in SYDNEY (NSW) in late January 2006 and discussed William Green and also LETITIA WARING'S parents with a family member there who has a well documented extensive family history on file. He is a very senior Banker and on the Australian Economic Development Council. He has visited Northern Ireland 3 times.
We all have not yet found any of LETITIA WARING'S parent's names. Maybe someone might have a lead on this.
The Rev. Holt Waring seems a strong possibility it now seems.
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Mr Green. Yes the Holt Waring line seems important. I looked a little more, as a last effort to offer help, and started to run into speculation quickly, just on her first names, could she have another first name in front of her given name eg like familysearch.com Frances Letitia Waring b abt 1812 of Carlandstown, , Meath, Ireland. I came across several spelling of Letitia, eg Betitia, Lettice, Letta, Lettie etc but nothing relevant to Waring. I did come across variant spellings of Waring, such as Warring, Wearing and Warren. The last exists in the area.
Your reference Letitia Waring m William Green 1802."Both of this Parish by License". Waringstown area. Has anything further turned up about this carefully worded source. Waringstown area is Donaghcloney Parish. Could records exist at a different local church in the parish than expected in the area?
Ros Davie's website has the entry for William WARING . Donaghcloney b. 1619 in Toome, Co Antrim after his family had come from Lancashire; he purchased the land where Waringstown is now from Capt. Baret in 1659 and commenced the linen industry; father of Samuel; contact mike[--at--]harnett.demon.co.uk MS WAG p 31; Waring Papers S1162 & purchase contract; PNNI V6 p81. Has anyone asked this contact if he has come across her.?
The Holt Waring senior with his wife Anne French appears to have a large family I wondered if the daughter Mary Waring b abt 1779 could have been Letitia? I don’t know if the senior Holt Waring was a clergyman being posted around the countryside and wondered if his location is known about in 1780 give a year or two.
I wondered if she was a cousin from where? who stayed in the district. Even could she have even been a widow Waring remarrying.?
How about more book sources
Atkinson, E. D., Edward Dupré An Ulster parish : being a history of Donaghcloney (Waringstown) 1898 Source Linenhall
Clendinning, Kieran A general study of Waringstown 1970 printed in Lurgan. Source Linenhall
Rankin, Kathleen The linen houses of the Lagan Valley : the story of their families . Notes Includes brief histories of several families who owned linen works in the Lagan Valley in County Antrim and County Down, Ireland. Includes photographs of their mansions, family portraits and some family trees. Bibliography; p. 209-211 Includes index. Includes the Barbour, Bell, Charley, Clarke, Coulson, Ewart, Gordon, Graham, Henning, Hunter, Jardine, Liddell, McCance, McMurray, Malcolmson, Maxwell, Mulholland, Pim, Richrdson, Russell, Sinton, Somerset, Stewart, Waring, Williamson and Wolfenden families. Source LDS Library Catalogue
Finally being Ireland I did wonder if a change of religion effected her records being kept in the same place as the rest of the family. The Waring’s in Ireland appear to be Cof I, and a strong line of Quakers. I don’t know if there was a catholic community in the area.
I stop and wish you the luck you need for an intriguing query, and glad you found the Green record, Jim
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A member of the WARING family has just told me that there is a later Letitia Yvery WARING who married Cyril Saxon, approx. 1903/5, (Ref 107. vii.).
I am also told that her sister, Mona, married James Douglas Green. (Ref 106 vi).
A member of the WARING family reckons that Letitia Yvery WARING is probably named after the LETITIA WARING born 1780, died 1852, that I am looking for.
There are many WARING (and WARREN) records in that parish,
and I have been trying to document some of them.
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I have recently seen a record for a SAMUEL WARING. He appears in the WARINGSTOWN area and the dates would fit. I am trying to investigate if he might be LETITIA WARING'S father. It is not yet certain though.
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have you got any further on this?
My gg grandfather was William Green and his wife Ellen who lived in Inch Island co Donegal around 1865. (pension records in belfast, 1851 census).
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if anyone reading this knows how to contect MRGREEN, please give my email address to him so that he may contact me.
Matthew Green
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Mr Green hasn't been online for a while but Ive sent a PM (personal message) saying you are trying to make contact and it's now a matter of waiting for a reply.
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I've just started to research my family tree and happen to come across this site. I'm hoping that MRGREEN can help me make some connections. Thanks again, i really appreciate your help and very pleased you got back to me so quickly. Matt
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I have seen various GREEN family records relating to DONEGAL, where the GREEN name does occur. None of them ever seemed to be connected to my own particular family tree though.
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The family story is that we came from Newtown. This could be Newtown Cunningham or maybe Newtownabbey or any other Newtown for that matter.
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I have been doing some more historical research on LETITIA WARING and WILLIAM GREEN who are somehow related to the Rev. HOLT WARING.
The Rev. HOLT WARING was a GRAND CHAPLAIN of THE ORANGE ORDER. I now have ORANGE LODGE records from the P.R.O.N.I. to confirm this.
The Rev. HOLT WARING, Colonel THOMAS WARING MP, WILLIAM GREEN, and GEORGE GREEN were in the same ORANGE LODGE at WARINGSTOWN.
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what dates are the Rev. HOLT WARING, Colonel THOMAS WARING MP, WILLIAM GREEN, and GEORGE GREEN in the ORANGE LODGE...?
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Mr. Green: I am descended from the Waring family which settled in Essex County, Virginia, in the mid-1660s. Some think that this crowd came from the Waringstown area by way of Lancashire. I am very interested in pursuing the origins of the family, and would be very grateful for any help you might lend in this regard. If you know of any male Waring descendants of the Waringsown Warings, perhaps they may be willing to compare DNA results. Thanks, Roane Waring, Memphis, Tennessee
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I've come into this thread a little late but I'm trying to establish the members of the Waring family in 1900. Holt Waringl I'm aware of but what about Esther? Were there anymore Waring children? I believe one of the Waring sisters married Barrie Combe. If anyone has a simple family tree I could see I'd be very grateful.
Jerry Murland
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At a recent car book i picked up a copy print of an old painting and information written on the back stating it was a(old) photograph of a painting of Mary WARING by Romney. also mentioned are Rev. Jackson Close, Major John Close, Capt. charles Charles Close, Frank Close Dean of Carlisle, Richard and Sidney Davies, ansd Letitia Lewis. Cathy
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Jerry,
12 Mar 1906 Samuel Barbour Combe married Mary Theresa Waring in Waringstown Church of Ireland, Lurgan.
Regards
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Hello
My mother's maiden name was Letitia Waring (born 1910, died 2008). I remember her saying she was named after a relative - an aunt, perhaps. She told a wonderful ghost story about the house in which she was born, in Fareham, Hampshire. She had very fond memories both of Lee on Solent, and of Marchwood, where she and her six brothers and sisters grew up. She was very proud of being Irish, but totally disagreed with the prejudice many of her relatives exhibited towards Catholics, as did her mother, Frances (nee Bussell) who came from Dalkey, near Dublin. She married my father, Cyril Saxon (1898-1983), who was from Newport, Wales, in 1947.
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Does anyone know the names of letitia warings and william greens children? Some of my ancestors came from around loughenisland. my gg grandfather was francis greene who married jane keown . They had sons james , thomas and francis. The name waring appears as a middle or first name of there children and the first name latitia appears once as does the first name william . I am wondering if there is a connection. Thomas married sarah mcilroy and francis married annie keith. WILLIAM GREENE
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Hi all 'Waring Decendants',
I have no connection with this family / name, but I thought I'd let anyone out there interested in the Rev. Holt Waring of this recent discovery I made.
I recently came across this drawing and it appears to be by the Rev. Holt Waring, who was I understand a founder member of todays 'Orange Lodge'.
I came across a pen & ink drawing entitled 'The Washerwoman' and signed WR and dated 1790. Along its bottom (under the frame' ) it states "By Holt Waring 1790"
From the small research I've done, there's a magnificent drawing done by the RE. Holt Waring of Captain Cooks Funeral in St. Pauls Cathedral, which is owned by the British Maritime Museum in Greenwich, which you can look up on the internet. The National Library in Dublin also has a drawing of the Custom House attributed to Holt Waring. Other than these I can find no mention of him as an artist. Indeed, the drawing I have here , although very good, would probably not be considered a 'masterpiece, nevertheless, I think its a unique piece.
I accordingly donated it to 'Libraries Northern Ireland' and they intend putting it on permanent display in the 'Irish & Local History Library in Armagh.
Tom
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I would greatly appreciate it if anyone reading this and who has contributed to this Green family section, so long ago now......... could PM me or let me know on here .....that you are still here.
Would be so grateful!
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Yes !! I am a direct descendant ! Happy to be in touch by direct email or message as allowed by the moderator.