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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Cardiganshire => Topic started by: Pat13 on Friday 19 May 06 16:25 BST (UK)
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I am searching for a family of Owens who I thought were born in Llandisiliogogo. The children I have found are David 1859, Owen 1859,John 1861,Catherine 1864,Ellen 1866,Thomas 1867,Evan 1869,Jane 1870,Margaret 1873,Daniel 1875 and Elizabeth 1877. The parents were Thomas 1831 and Sarah 1833. The story that has been handed down is that there were five sons who all went to sea.
I have come across five brothers from Llangrannog, David 1859,Owen 1859,Evan 1869,John 1861 and Daniel 1873 who all seemed to be prominent in the shipping world. Companies formed by these brothers were County Shipping Co.,Bont Shipping Co. and Anglo Belgique Shipping Co.
Due to the similarity of names and birthdates I am sure these must be the same family but have been unable to confirm it.
Does anyone have any information on these five that would shed light on it. Were they the sons of a Thomas?
Is Llangrannog close to Llandisiliogogo?
Can anyone get me farther back than Thomas?
This is a dreadful name to research and any help would be more than appreciated! Many thanks in advance.
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I also have Owen family in Llangrannog (from the maternal side), I have thought that my ancestor's mother was perhaps part of this family, although at a much earlier date.
I also haven't been able to ascertain all that much at this point of time, so I would also be interested if someone can shed some light on them.
I don't think that Llandisilogogo is that far away as some of my ancestor's family married and started their family there before moving back to Llangrannog.
A witness at my Sarah Owen's marriage was a James Owen in 1813.
Webby
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Hi
Llandisiligogo parish is the next parish to the north east of Llangranog.
Cheers Dave
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Thanks for that information Dave..........will certainly keep in mind.
Hopefully, there are some Owen or Davi(e)s people still in this area!!.
Regards
Webby
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Hi Webby
I think that I can guarantee there are LOTS of Owen and Davies families in the area, as there are all over Wales.
Cheers Dave
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Exactly what I dreaded!
Webby
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While clearing out a cupboard in my mothers house I came across this piece of paper in a hymn book and on the paper was a list of Owens
Owens 1784-1868 aged 84
son Owen Owens 1819-1872
then a list of the Grandchildren
Ann Owens 1844-1865
Samuel Owens January 3 1846 at half past five in the morning = Elizabeth d sept 19 1872 = 2nd Betsy d Sept 29 1889
Margaret Owens 1861-1943 Bodawen Llangrannog = Stephen Rees
David Owens b August 14 1859 -
Thomas Owens b September 28 1856
Evan Owens b December 1850-d June 17 1879
Rachel Owens 1848-1872 December 17 Tuesday age 25=
not sure if these were married due to condition of paper
Daniel Owens d June 15 1878
If these are any connection I shall try to scan and forward
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You lucky thing!........fancy finding something so wonderful.
My family certainly didn't leave me any clues whatsoever of the Davies/Owen(s) side.
Because the information pertains to Llangrannog and the Owen family (although not knowing for sure if there is a connection) I for one would very much like a copy - just in case, and I very much appreciate your offer.
Thank you
Regards
Webby
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I have tried to post a scanned copy on the forum but the computer informs me it is too large
how can you then receive the information?
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Have replied - off list.
Webby
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This is an old thread but I'm posting here in the hope that one or more of you may still be working on Owen(s) in this area and be able to help as I am struggling to make progress with my Owen(s) of Llandyssiliogogo (also connections to Llanarth/Llanllwchaiarn which seem to be neighbouring parishes/villages)
See my post here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,397395.msg2677689.html#msg2677689
If anyone has any light they can shed, would be much appreciated :)
Have also PM'd you Pat13...
thanks!
Suitcase
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If you can give me more information regarding the Owen/Owens in Llangranog or wig area I may be able to assist
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Hi,
It's Llandysiliogogo/Llanllwchaiarn rather than Llangranog (although it seems the family members moved around between the three villages)
My great great grandfather was Owen Owen(s), born in about 1833 in Llanllwchaiaern, died January 1880
He married Mary (surname unknown - have not found marriage yet - assume around 1857 as first child born around 1858) and had 8 children. Mary died in 1904 and is buried at Capel Wig nr Llangranog
According to my aunt, Owen is also buried there, but I could not find his gravestone when I visited...
On the 1871 census, Owen and Mary are living at Brynsoden, Llanllwchaiaern with their children Ellen, James (my great grandfather), David and Catherine. And I can then trace James and the rest of the family through 1881/91/1901 etc
So far so good....
According to my aunt (who did some family history research of her own), Owen's parents are Cathrine and Owen Owens. These two are buried at Capel Wig and I have found what I am pretty sure is them in the following census (gravestone makes reference to Benpark, Lllandissiliogogo so it fits):
1841 Llandisilio Gogo
Owen and Cathrine both aged 40, Margaret 16, Jane 14, Thomas 13, John 2, Elizabeth 6 months
1851 Ben Park, Llandisiliogogo
Owen and Cathrine both aged 53
Children: Jane 26, Thomas 24, John 12, Elizabeth 9
Grandson (assume this is Margaret's son?) Owen Evans 5
1871 Llandisiliogogo
Cathrine Owens 72
Grand dau Cathrine Evans aged 20
Can't find them in 1861.
The problem I am having is in proving that Owen Jnr is the son of Owen Snr & Cathrine, since he does not appear on any of the census returns. In 1841 he would have been 8 so surely too young to be away from home...
And it seems the Llandissilio census is missing/incomplete for 1861 which causes further complications.
IGI has the following baptisms to Owen and Catherine in Llandysilliogogo:
Margaret 11 Jan 1824
Samuel 19 Jul 1825
Thomas 24 May 1829
Elizabeth 2 Mar 1832
Elizabeth 14 Jul 1833
Samuel 16 Nov 1834
- Margaret & Thomas fit with the census of 1841, presumably the 2 Elizabeths died young and the Elizabeth in the 1841 census was the 3rd to be given that name. But no Owen...
My aunt cannot remember where she got the information from, she thinks perhaps word of mouth from old family members (now deceased)
So I'm now rather stuck on where to go from here in terms of proving (or disproving) that Owen Jnr was the son of Owen and Catherine
The original post here about the shipping family has many similarities in terms of the names, but then again these are common names for the place and period, so there may be no link at all. Owen Owens (Jnr) was listed as a mason on the 1871 census. The only reference to mariners in my tree is actually James Owen (my gt grandfather) but I suspect this is probably co-incidence only...so I'm not even sure it's the same Owen(s) family
Anyway, any assistance gratefully received, I feel like I'm going round and round in circles on this one. Probably I need to get back to Wales and visit the records office to check parish records and see if that helps, but it's a long way from Hampshire!
Thanks for any help or suggestions you can provide,
regards
Suitcase