RootsChat.Com
Independent Islands => Isle of Man => Topic started by: elrowe on Friday 02 June 06 12:39 BST (UK)
-
I am trying to trace my Soutar line, my G-G-Grandfather Simon Soutar was born 31st March 1837 in St Bride Isle of Man. I am told his father worked at the time for the Royal Navy a lighthouse there, his name John. I have found a listing in the Scotich archives for a Jean Lesslie (his mother) and a John Soutar who were married on 6th July 1828 in St Bride (both I believe are Scottish). I would like to find a copy of the certificate if possible. I know there were at least 9 children, but can't find any cencus records, or bmd's. Where do I go? Regards, Carol
-
HI
I have sent you a Pm
Wendy
-
HI
In addition to what I sent you via a PM I couldn't see any of them in the 1851 census.
I noticed Samuel in the later census in England with a sister down as Sarah Soutar unmarried bn 1847 Scotland so maybe they went back up north.
You can pay to view the Scottish census at
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Wendy
-
1841 IOM Census Index
Bride 3 10 51
SOUTER
Agnes 12
David 8
Isabella 10
Jane 35
Jane 1
John 40
Samuel 4
Simon 6
Adult ages are rounded in the 1841 census.
None in IOM in 1851 census.
Regards,
Donna
-
If he was a lighthouse keeper he would have worked for the Northern Commissioners of lights - their staff covered Scotland (IoM was an exception) and would move on basis of seniority every few years - see www.manxnotebook.com/maritime/lighthse/index.htm - their archives are in National records of Scotland and should have a complete list of his postings - Bride (Kirk Bride not St Bride) covers the Point of Ayre light.
-
We're related!! ha ha ha. My Great great grandfather was Simon Soutar of the Isle of Man, moved to Jamaica, family owned the Temple Hall Estate. :)
I would *love* to hear more information from anyone. We have some from our family as well.
-Allen
ps- perhaps he doesn't show up because of the move to Jamaica... but it seems a bit young, that would be 10 years only. I do think they may have moved back to Scotland before the move to Jamaica, but I can't be sure. He was very important to the island... made the Kingston Warf, The first plumbing in Kingston I believe, and was also the Ambassador to Norway and Austria, I think? I can't remember everything off hand here... I'll see what we have if there's anything written down.
pps- Is the above Census page for the whole family, or only for *all* Souter's on the island? (and is the Soutar/Souter difference common, or should we treat it as a different family?) - Thank you for the info!!
-
in the 1841 census he was a light keeper - he + wife were ind as born scotland - all children indicated as born IoM - 6 children found in Bride baptisms -
date child parents
18 JUN 1829 AGNES JOHN SOUTER JANE LESLIE
13 APR 1831 ISABELLA JOHN SOUTER JANE LESLIE
22 APR 1833 DAVID JOHN SOATER JANE LESLIE
30 MAR 1837 SIMON JOHN SOATER JANE LESLIE
22 AUG 1839 JANE JOHN SOATER JANE LESLIE
03 FEB 1841 MARGARET JOHN SOUTER JANE LESLIE
I don't know why Margaret is not in the 1841 census (no burial found)
-
Just posting this for info
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/winston1970/simonsouternew.jpg)
Wendy
-
Ha ha! That's fantastic. That's definitely the family. As far as I know, we don't have any info on John Soutar and where he might be buried... John is pretty common of course, so that contributes to the problem...
Wonderful information! :)
Thank you for that, Wendy!
-Allen
ps- the family has a bit of an illustrious past- quite a bit was accomplished by them once they made it to Jamaica. Among many things, they were the manufacturers of the (Soutar then changed to) Temple Hall Cigar which was a huge success in the UK for quite some time I believe. [Now under different ownership I believe.]
-
Hi Allen,
yes the Temple Hall cigar was sucessfull, he also had many other ventures,
which line of the family are you from?
regards, Carol
-
HI All
Have now found them in the 1851 census in Scotland as was first predicted
You may have better luck on the Scotlandspeople site for an image
I can only give first names but I will send a PM with further info to you
They are in Peterhead Aberdeenshire address shown as Buchanness St House
John bn circa 1800 in Panbride, Forfar Occ Principal Lighthouse Keeper
Jane bn circa 1806 Pencaitland, Haddington East Lothian
Isabella bn circa 1832 Bride, Isle of Man
Jane bn circa 1839 Bride, Isle of Man
Margaret bn circa 1842 Bride Isle of Man
Elizabeth bn circa 1845 Peterhead, Aberdeen
Sarah bn circa 1847 Peterhead, Aberdeen
William Middlesmiss bn 1796 Garinton, Berwick Visitor Occ Inspector of Public Works
Not sure where the boys ar yet though.
Wendy
-
HI
Have found
David bn circa 1834 Bride, Isle of Man Occ shown as a Draper's Shopman and he too is living in Peterhead Aberdeenshire
The address is shown as 10 Maiden Street
Wendy
-
HI
Here is the 1861 Scottish Census
Address down as 89 Union Street, St Nicholas Aberdeen
Jane shown as Head bn circa 1806 Occ Lodging House Keeper
David bn circa 1834, Kirkbride Isle of Man No Occ shown
Margaret bn circa 1842 """
Eliza bn circa 1845 Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
Sarah bn circa 1847 Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
Wendy
-
Very very interesting stuff, Wendy! Thank you so much for digging this stuff up! If John is no longer the head- think he passed away? Also, I checked out the address in google-maps, and it's smack-dab beside a huge church... but also near an inlet... interesting. :) Guess they're always by the sea, this family. :)
Hmm... Lodging House Keeper. Interesting!! Wonderful wonderful info, Wendy! :)
BTW, if you have their full names etc., could you keep me in the loop as well with pm's? We'd greatly appreciate that! It's wonderful to know more this far back. Amazing that we can!
My very best!
-Allen
-
Hi
I am a Soutar from Jamaica who has been researching my Grandfather's name but have hit a barrier. I grew up in Temple Hall with my Grandmother and her brothers and sisters all named Soutar and I have a old few pictures of Grandpa and his brother among tobacco leaves in the field.
My great gandfather was Colliston Soutar and my Grandmother is still alive at 82, but she hasnt been able to add much. Colliston was born on or about 1881 in the Isle of Man
-
Hi Dale, I think we may have chatted on a dna website, but if not, I also am a Soutar, my father from Jamaica, I was always brought up to believe Simon was my gggranfather, however now discover an uncle who was looking after my g grandfather as his father returned to England leaving him behind. Simons father was a light keeper, this summer we are travelling up to stay in one of the lighthouses he lived in. There are 4 generations further back that I have records for and hope to find more whilst there. How far are you back now, can we chat? Carol
-
Hi all, how I have moved on from this original post. I have gained much more information but am using a different account now. Pleas contact me for more family details. Carol