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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: paulmh on Sunday 04 June 06 16:46 BST (UK)
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A bit ago I sent out letters to peple living in Nottingham with the surname 'Townrow', there were about 10 and only one replied sending me details of there family tree from around 1895 to the present day.
With that I traced it as far back as I could in order to find a match on my tree, I found noting. However I managed to go as far back as 1775 with this tree whilst my family so far goes back to 1811 with a Henry Townrow.
I've kept all the information and my aim is to one day link them to mine. I think that the way to go about it is to look for Henry's parents, but with being born in 1811 im not sure where to look!
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Hi Paul,
Why don't you give us a clue and perhaps someone will come up with something?
Do you know where in Notts Henry was born/who he married/childrens names ...or anything that might help?
heather
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Hi Paul
I tried to get on to your website but the link does not work. Have you set the site up yet?
Jane
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hi paul, i had a look on the parish records and the only henry townrow on there was this one
henry townrow ch 11 oct 1807 normanton-upon trent nottingham
father john townrow
mother hannah
no other siblings
moira
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Henry (b. 1811) married Hannah Warsop (b. 1816) in 1832 at Edwinstowe, they had 8 children:
William b.1833
Elizabeth b.1834
Henry b.1837
Mary Ann b.1839
Thomas b.1841
George b.1843
John b.1847
Harriet b.1849
* My website doesn't exist now but am looking into rebuilding it.
From the other tree that I did that is so far not connected to me I found a Henry Townrow (b. 1808) but his parents were Benjamin and Elizabeth. Supose its possible I got the dates wrong and that the Henry born in 1808 is mine b. 1811. After all I did get calculatons from census which aren't always correct to begin with...
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On the 1851 census he gives his age as 42, therefore most likely to have been born in 1808. If you calculated his age from the information on the 1841 census it would be incorrect due to rounding.
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Yep - Jaywit is right. He's 42 and born Graves Lane in 1851. 52 and born "Headenly" in 1861 ...giving an approx birth year of 1808.
Strangely enough I used to walk down Graves Lane, Edingley as a child and wonder if this could be it?
The baptisms for Edingley on the IGI show a Henry Townrow baptised there 20 Feb 1805 to Thomas and Elizabeth. A little early I know but I wonder if it's worth looking at the parish records?
Heather
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Yes I know where Greaves Lane is at Edingley. I should imagine first child died and name was reused, I think 1805 is a bit far out. He moved around Nottinghamshire a bit though, marrying at Edwinstowe, most of the children born at Ranby, living at Babworth.
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Tend to agree ...
Also Mary 13 April 1807 Edingley
possible other children at nearby Farnsfield (getting closer to Edwinstowe, and of course Hannah was born Norwell which is also not far away, all places within about an 8 mile radius)
Elisabeth 6 May 1810
Sarah 25 Oct 1812
George 15 April 1816
Elisabeth 6 May 1810
Worth checking out that 1832 marriage to see if he was of the parish and if any witnesses were mentioned
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I think Hannah's family were from Edwinstowe despite her being born in Babworth. However if my calculations are wrong, and yours are right then this could be some sort of break through.
IF the other tree is in someway connected then I have a John Townrow (b. 1777) un accounted for. He had two brothers (Benjamin b. 1775, William b.1779) and two sisters (Hannah b.1773, Mary b.1783) but Benjamin and William both had children whilst ive no records of a marriage nor any children for John, he could be the link between the two Townrow trees.
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Hannah says she was born at Norwell, the 1841 census shows a William and Elizabeth Warsop living at Norwell, both ages are 65 and he is a Carrier.
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To be honest I don't really know a lot about the Worsop family, its only Hannah as she is involved in my tree via marriage.
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Looking at 1841 it is possible that Benjamin and William Townsend were still alive. There is a Benjamin born about 1776 living at Newark and a William born about 1791 at Eakring. There are not many Townsend's at all in Nottinghamshire. There is a John born about 1781 living at Greasley, but that is away from all the others.
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From the unconnected tree I do have a Benjamin Townrow b. 1775, Newark Upon Trent, could be close. He did have a son born 1808 named Henry but he also had two other sons (John b.1805 and William b.1806) whilst Elizabeth, his only daughter was born 1818.
Now if the two henry's are that of the same then there is the link.
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Well I don't know whether this will help or not. The Benjamin living at Chain Lane Newark, 65 is a Corn factor. The other members of the household are Catherine 40, Henry 3 and Catherine 5. plus a servant. No relationships given.
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For anyone who has a family tree builder on their computer and can accept GED files then ive uploaded my tree: http://www.geocities.com/pholland1984/townrow001.ged
That tree is the one which so far bares no connection to mine, hopfully Henry Townrow will supply the link, it looks as though only 3 years will decide if they are connected or not.
The tree which you can view isn't quite complete, I only made it today and only lists dob and baptisms, deaths aren't on yet whilst marriages and children still need to be reserached for some familys.
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download my tree if you can, it'll give all info I have on this family their.
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I'm not convinced there is an immediate connection to the Newark Townrows .... although never rule out finding it further back :)
It seems the Thomas and Elizabeth who had children at Edingley married at Farnsfield 01/12/1794. According to Phillimores marriages Thomas Townrow was, at that time, of the parish of Cuckney. Just to place it geographically, 5 miles from Edwinstowe.
So it's quite possible they flitted between their two home areas?
There is a likely Elizabeth Townrow born Farnsfield c. 1773 on the 1841/51 census.
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There are only 35 Townrow's in Notts in 1841 according to the census so I bet if you could get back another 2 generations they would all be connected. If the family were ag labs then it would be quite possible for them to move around following the work.
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I'm begining to feel that i'm at a dead end too, they could match up if he was born in 1808 and not 1811 but his father was Benjamin and Elizabeth Bently whilst moiramount reckon that a Henry born in 1808 had a set of parents called John and Hannah.
On the tree (if you look) there is a John without a wife nor children IF Henry (b. 1811) belongs on that tree then he is a strong link. If there is a marriage for John b. 1777 there is a possibilty that Henry fits in there somewhere.
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Looking at John 1777, there is a possible marriage in Phillimores
John Townrow of Newark on Trent and Mary Chadwick, at Plumtree, 21 Nov 1797
If they married in the bride's parish and headed back to the Newark area, they could be the John and Mary producing children (but no Henry) in Farndon between 1798 and 1808
At the top of that Gedcom file, there is Benjamin Townrow c.1847 Newark who married a Mary. probably this marriage, again source Phillimores
Benjamin Townrow p. Newark and Mary Saunders Normanton on Trent 25/06/1772
Of course, Benjamin may not have been born in Newark ...the first Townrow baptisms there appear to be the children of this couple. Possibly your connection is a generation or two further back from Henry.
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Oh dear, well it looks as though that John being the father is out of the question, my only hope (if I can find it) is that Benjamin Townrow (b. 1747) is the brother my Henry's grandfather if that makes sences. Id probably have to find Benjamin's father and see if he had anymore children then trace the family that way.
Thank you to everyone who has helped, you have been so kind.
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Does anybody have any ideas as to what I should do now?
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Hi
The best thing to do is summarise what stage you are at now and what you want to find out. This thread is incredibly difficult to follow as it was being investigated in many directions at once. When it is clear what is known and what you want to find out it will be easier to say what needs to be done. If you are back to mid 1700s with concrete evidence it will then be parish registers which are usually difficult to read in that time frame with not much detail given. It is harder to be positive that the right relatives have been found. There are other records that can be searched but it depends on the lifestyle of the people. Wills if they had anything to leave, settlement certificates, court records etc. All these for Newark etc can be found at Nottm Archives.
Jane
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Thanks Jane, I think that I would like to find out more about the head of my tree so far. Henry Townrow b. 1811 in Babworth. Finding his parents would tell me more I think.
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Hi
What do you know about Henry? You don't know his parents.
Do you know he was born in Babworth? If so how?
Do you know any brothers or sisters?
Do you know his marriage? Who, where, when? How do you know?
Do you know his death? When, where? Evidence?
Do you know when he was born? Evidence?
What occupation did he have?
Just thinking from what you really know how to narrow it down to find out more.
Jane
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Thanks Jane I think that might help.
I know he was born in Babworth as census forms prove this, same with age (1841 census lists him living at Green Mile Farm), though didn't they range ages in an area of 5 years.
As for brothers or sisters, I nothing of any but I do know he married Hannah Warsop at Edwinstowe on 10 May 1832, this from IGI records on familysearch.org. Unfortunatly it doesn't list nay parents.
From various census it lits his occupation as; Agricultural Labourer, Sheperd so he was in the farming industry.
Thats all I know of him. I have recently contacted the Nottinghamshire Archives, they do small/quick searches if they aren't too busy so may get back to me soon hopfully, otherwise i'll just think of new ways to work out this family quiz.
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Hi Paul
Just trying to narrow it down. I hope to go to the archives on Tuesday after work but it does give me much time so I have to know what I am looking for. If I run out of time it will be 2-3 weeks before I can go again.
I will look for:
Babworth Baptisms Henry Townrow B. 1811 Lookup 1808 - 1815
Edwinstowe Marriage Henry Townrow & Hannah Warsop 10 May 1832 (doesn't give parents until 1837 but witnesses may be parents or siblings, may give occupation)
I'll do this for a start and let you know.
Jane
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I would appricaite it but like I said ive wrote a letter to NA so hopfully they will get back to me.
Failing that I could always go down myself. I live in Barnsley which, although is over an hours drive isn't a million miles away.
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Sorry to disagree but, as said previously, the censuses suggest Henry was not born Babworth ???
1851 HO107 2121 510 8
Ranby, Babworth
Henry Townrow head 42 shepherd Notts Graves Lane
1861 RG9 2416 114 13
Eaton Street, Eaton, Notts
Henry Townrow head 52 ag lab Notts Headenly
Just don't want Jane to go off on a wild goose chase....
I think it would be more useful to check the Edingley baptisms. Also burials to see whether the Henry baptised there in 1805 could have been "replaced" by a later Henry. Just my humble opinion ;D
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Hi Heather
Thanks for the word of caution
I will check Edingley baptisms 1808-1815 as well
What burials should I check? Place and dates
Jane
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Hi Paul
I pop into the archives quite often after work on a Tuesday so it's OK to do quick look ups. I don't advertise the fact as I would get inundated. I've done loads of looks ups over the past 18months. Its when it gets complicated or very time consuming that I would say that I can't do it.
Jane
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Hi Jane :)
If you scroll back there was a Henry Townrow baptised Edingley in 1805 on the IGI. We were wondering if this was a mistranscribed 1808, or maybe that first Henry had died.
So I would locate that baptism first ...and if the year is correct as 1805, then check burials 1805-1809-ish to see if he could have died and the name passed to a second son.
Not sure I'm being very clear here! Hope you get the gist.
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PS Paul I can confirm that Jane is a gem :D
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Heather
Will do.
Jane
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I'm sure she is. If it was me that was going I would look at the marriage first. Henry Townrow to Hannah Warsop at Edwinstowe on 10 May 1832. I'm not sure what it would tell me but, as there is a date and area it should be easy enough to find.
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Hi Paul
Nottm Archives:
Edingley, fiche 3 (searched 1808-1815)
Baptism 1805 feb 20 Henry son of Thomas & Elisabeth Townrow
Babworth, fiche 3 (searched 1808-1815)
No entries for Townrow
I also searched Upton same dates because of following marriage. No entries.
Edwinstowe, fiche 22, entry 147
Henry Townrow of the parish of Upton in this county and Hannah Warsop of Budby in this parish were married in this church by Banns this tenth day of May in the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty two.
By me John Cleaver Vicar
This marriage was solemnized between us Henry Townrow X (His mark) (their comment not mine)
Hannah Warsop
In the presence of William Houlton
John Trueman
Hope this helps
Jane
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Thank you for looking for me, that is most useful. Funny that neither parents bared witness to the mariage.
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Hi Paul
Were the parents still alive? Do you know who the witnesses were?
Jane
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William's father Benjamin Townrow would have been 57 in 1830 as he was born around 1775 so its quite possible he had died by then. I don't recognise the names of the witnesses either.
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Just found this thread after starting a post today
London Gazette 12 May 1824
Notice is hereby given, that the Partnership lately subsisting between us the undersigned, Jonas Ward, Thomas Baggaley, and Benjamin Townrow, as Fishmongers, Carriers, and Farmers, at the Town of Nottingham, and at Newark-upon-Trent and Norwell, in the County of Nottingham, trading under the firm of Ward and Baggaley, was dissolved on the 9th day of December last. Witness our hands this 11th day of May in the year of our Lord 1824 Jonas Ward, Thos Baggaley, Benjn Townrow
Jonas is my relative and was living in Newark so I found your message very interesting!
Willsy
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Very interesting. But what does it mean? Did they have businesses and they disolved there so called companies.
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Yes it was dissolved.
On his childrens baptism's after this date his occupation is given as Fishmonger and in 1830 I have found him running a beer house in the directories as well as a fishmonger in the directories. After that have found a hand written letter in the university archives giving notice to quit land he had in Hawton owing a years rent!
The family then move from Newark to Leicester and again his occupation on his various entries for the family give his occupation as fishmonger.
Elaine