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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Topic started by: kez_s on Wednesday 14 June 06 11:57 BST (UK)
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Hi
Does anyone know anything about the family tree of Tom Jones?? My in-laws insist they are related to him and that Tom's paternal grandfather was my husbands great grandads brother. I haven't been able to prove it one way or the other - which is driving me nuts as I'd like to end the stories once and for all!!! If they were related it would mean that Tom Jones's grandfather was born in Somerset, England.
Any help would be really appreciated as they are driving me nuts!
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Friends of my parents are allegedly related to him and I can tell you that his real surname is not JONES - does this help?
Have a read here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/music/sites/tomjones/pages/biography.shtml
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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I knew it wasn't Jones - as the family name of ours is Woodward - so that bit rings true!! Seemingly he used to visit my husbands great nan in Somerset when he was much younger, but that relative has died so I can't prove anything again!!!
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I would take that with a large pinch of salt, unless you can find some real proof !
I lived in Pontypridd (his birthplace, Treforest, is part of Pontypridd) from 1964 - 1970 and almost everybody I met in that time either said that they were related to him (directly or by marriage) or that they "used to know him, when ... ", or went to school with him, or knew one of his ex-girlfriends, or ... or ... or ....
As a variation, if it wasn't themselves, it was the guy next door, a cousin, a friend etc, who .... see above ;D ;D
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Oh I agree with you - but this has been going on since the 70's and they are deadly serious when it gets mentioned so I am determined to prove it one way or the other!!!! Then if it isnt true I can at last end it!!!!
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Well, on Arranroots' link it says
Born Thomas Jones Woodward on 7 June 1940,
so you can start working backwards from there ...
How about biographies ? They usually give some early family details, and you may be able to get them from the library, to cut down on costs.
Bob
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Just looked around the web, but all I can see (so far) is variations of
Born Thomas Jones Woodward in Pontypridd, South Wales, Great Britain on June 7, 1940, ....
slightly more on this link (http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Tom-Jones-Biography/30B3C8E8321DEB4248256B72002EA36F) i.e 1 sibling, but no (still) names for Mum and Dad
his father worked the coal mines of the Rhondda Valley, while his mother tended the house and the two children.
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Bob, his father was Thomas Woodward and his mother Freda Jones, both Pontypridd.
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Its grandad Woodward I need the name of and where he was born!!! Seemingly he would have to be born in Somerset - a lot of the family went of to Wales and that matches my family tree - but can't get his grandfathers name anywhere!
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This link mentions the burials of his parents so might help you on your way with ages etc. ...............
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2770879.stm
Casalguidi
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Hi again Kez,
Think the only way to find out who grandad Woodward was would be to get marriage cert for Thomas and Freda....registered in Pontypridd july qtr 1933 is marriage of Thomas J Woodward to Freda Jones vol 11a page 1594.
There are a few Woodwards on 1901 census in Glamorgan/Pontypridd and a few of those are from Somerset.
I'd get cert to find grandfathers' name.
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Thanks for your help! I will do that! My in-laws are driving me nuts, I'm even getting letters from their relatives in Austalia saying they are related to him! I can't see what big a deal it is but because they know I'm doing a family tree this is all they keep on about - I wouldn't mind if it was someone like Brad Pitt :o - but hey there we go!
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Well I've had a look at the ages and the person that could be his grandad was born on 1889 so that could work out with his parents being married in 1933.
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A little bit more which may help if you can get age or date of birth or etc. from death/burial records or even an obituary ............
the son of coal miner Thomas Woodward (died 5 October 1981)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Jones_(singer)
Casalguidi
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And the mother, Freda, died in 2003 aged 88, so would say her birth1914/5.
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Hi Kez_s
I have just been in touch with the friends of the family (lovely people - hello Steve!)
Unfortunately, their knowledge of the WOODWARD side is not much. :'(
I can fill you in on the details of the JONES side, but that doesn't get you very far.
It would seem that purchasing the marriage cert of Freda JONES and Thomas WOODWARD might be a good idea.
Other than that, writing to the famous man himself might work??
I will keep thinking!
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Ok, thanks for your help!
I did email a couple of his fan clubs, but they don't seem to know the Woodward history either and I can't find anything anywhere on Tom's paternal grandfather. Guess I will have to order that cert, but even then it may be the right name but still can't 100% prove it's him!!!
Thanks though for all your effort, it's really appreciated.
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Hi Kez_s,
I am also in the same boat and trying to trace backwards. His grandfather's name was James Woodward who according to the 1911 Census was aged 42 so that would make him born in 1969. His place of birth in this census was Snowshill, Gloucestershire and his occupation was ironmonger's haulier.
If I found out more information I will let you know.
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Hello :)
There was a programme on BBC4 this weekend, Mark Lawson talks to Sir Tom Jones, and he spoke about his Grandfather being English but his Father born in Wales and proud to be a Welsh coalminer. Didn't give a lot of detail but did mention Gloucestershire:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00vz5mj
Morgan
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Tom said they came to the valleys to look for work end of 19th Century. This could be them:
1881 18 Nolton St, Coyty Lower, Glamorgan
Herbert Woodward Head age 24 born Snowshill Confectioner & Grocer
Sarah Woodward Wife age 24 born Shifnal, Shropshire
Elizabeth Woodward Daur age 1 born Bridgend, Glamorgan
James Woodward Brother age 13 born Snowshill, Gloucester
C. Ricce Lodger age 60 born Bridgend, Glam No Occupation
RG11 Piece 5331 Folio 46 Page 15
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Birth of James Woodward in 1868 (Dec Q)
Winchcomb volume 6a page 385
Birth of Herbert Woodward in 1855
Winchcomb volume 6a page 347 (Mar Q)
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Please let me know if anyone else gets more information. My dad told me that he was Tom Jone's cousin. During the war he went to visit the family & met Tom, as a boy. We have been stuck every other way so thought I 'd try this angle.
My family wants to make the connection from here in Canada to England. My grandfather would not give any info of his family except that he had left home & never saw his parents again. His dad was some kind of a minister (dead end in my search) & my grandpa owned a pub & rifle range. His info is William Woodward, born June 8, 1868 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire Eng. , died Sept 18, 1951 wife Alice Hannah(Robinson) who had 2 children & 8 more together. So its a large family here looking for our roots. We are having great difficulty, perhaps names or dates were changed.
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These people are my Great Grand Parents
I have photographs of them outside their confectionary and grocery store.
Elizabeth Woodward was their eldest Daughter, I believe James Wooward died in his teens not long after the census of diabetes.
I have the full family tree.
Herbert Woodward Head age 24 born Snowshill Confectioner & Grocer
Sarah Woodward Wife age 24 born Shifnal, Shropshire
Elizabeth Woodward Daur age 1 born Bridgend, Glamorgan
James Woodward Brother age 13 born Snowshill, Gloucester
C. Ricce Lodger age 60 born Bridgend, Glam No Occupation
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My Great Grandfather Woodward was a pub landlord in Shifnal near Wolverhampton.
I will search for the family tree. Positive his wife was Hannah
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Hi D Woodward
I have found the family tree.William Woodward born 1785 died 1866 ( my Gt Gt Gt grandfather. Married Hannah who was born 1790 in Wessington Gloucestershire. Died 1870. They married 1820 Snowshill Gloucestershire.
The 2 children plus 8 more are two generations down.
Catherine Hughes
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Hello Catherine :)
welcome to Rootschat! It seems that D Woodward only posted once, and has not been online for around 5 years.
Best wishes
Morgan
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I am Tom Jones cousin for real if you want to message me the name in question I can have a look at the family tree and failing that I can ask tom if he knows the name in question when I see him very soon
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Please let me know if anyone else gets more information. My dad told me that he was Tom Jone's cousin. During the war he went to visit the family & met Tom, as a boy. We have been stuck every other way so thought I 'd try this angle.
My family wants to make the connection from here in Canada to England. My grandfather would not give any info of his family except that he had left home & never saw his parents again. His dad was some kind of a minister (dead end in my search) & my grandpa owned a pub & rifle range. His info is William Woodward, born June 8, 1868 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire Eng. , died Sept 18, 1951 wife Alice Hannah(Robinson) who had 2 children & 8 more together. So its a large family here looking for our roots. We are having great difficulty, perhaps names or dates were changed.
I have just been able to phone Tom himself and he does remember a william Woodward however he is unaware of any connection to Wolverhampton however it is possible that Tom is not aware of Wolverhampton but he cannot recall at this time the maiden name of his wife and he has not confirmed the name Alice as it was a very brief call before he went to an appointment he is on the other side of the world so it is difficult to speak to him for long I hope that this helps I am currently looking through the enormous family tree some of the names mentioned so far are on the family tree others are not I hope you find out either way
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Bob, his father was Thomas Woodward and his mother Freda Jones, both Pontypridd.
Birth
WOODWARD, Thomas John
Mother's maiden surname: GANE
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 674
Marriage
Dec 1896
GANE, Annie
WOODWARD, James
Pontypridd
11a 820
1911 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW6B-CZB
James born Snowshill, Gloucestershire, Annie born Box, Wiltshire. James' father Richard was also born in Snowshill, and Richard's father William was born in Sweatley, Oxfordshire c1786. No idea where 'Sweatley' is. They are all quite easy to find in census records.
Debra :D
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Bob, his father was Thomas Woodward and his mother Freda Jones, both Pontypridd.
Birth
WOODWARD, Thomas John
Mother's maiden surname: GANE
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 674
Marriage
Dec 1896
GANE, Annie
WOODWARD, James
Pontypridd
11a 820
1911 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW6B-CZB
James born Snowshill, Gloucestershire, Annie born Box, Wiltshire. James' father Richard was also born in Snowshill, and Richard's father William was born in Sweatley, Oxfordshire c1784. No idea where 'Sweatley' is. They are all quite easy to find in census records.
Debra :D
I already knew all of these names the maiden name Tom could not confirm was Alice's I have a near complete family tree for the woodward side which is the side I am from there are also a few descendants of the woodward side living in Worcestershire I currently live in Gloucestershire mainly but I have connections to Worcestershire and Herefordshire there are also a fair members of the woodward side living in stourbridge area if this helps