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Can anyone offer any information re Robert Jones c1830 Mold, Flintshire. He had a daughter called Sarah c1851.
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The only one that I can find born Mold was born circa 1831:
Ho107/1410/2 Folio 5 Page 12
He is living in Wylfa, Argoed
Edward Jones, 50-54, collier
Ann, 50-54
Edward, 20-24
Elizabeth, 15-19
Sarah, 10
Robert, 10
All born county
Robert Jones is a fairly common name as you no doubt know :(
Gadget
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Many thanks. Have tried all other means for info. Will check will relations to see if he other children.
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Hi Gadget, have spoken to a relative and we don't think this is the one. Robert Jones c1830 and died c1897 we think he only had the one child and some how Llandudno crept into the conversation, however his daughter Sarah was born in Mold.
Dont know if you can do anything with this info.
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All I can do is have another look for you. it will have to be a bit later though. Do you think they lived in Llandudno then?
Gadget
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Do you have any census references, so that I can have a thorough search based on that information. Anything would do - I'd like to have a look at the whole family picture. I've had a look on the 1861 but no Sarah seems to fit.
I feel that I'm working in the dark here. There are so many Robert Jones in North Wales - I've got three in my own tree - and Sarah is not that much better :(
Gadget
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Robert Jones c1830, daughter Sarah 29/10/1851 married David Davies in Mold, Flintshire. They had sons- David c1898 Hugh,John and Robert who was born in Wigan 1/3/1904 and Sally and Cecelia.I have no other refs. other than the family still have a farm in Flintshire which I am trying to locate.
Thanks for your patience and determination. :)
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I am a very determined person dsd. With all my Jones, Roberts and Hughes lines, I have to be. You wait until you get to the patronymics ;)
I refuse to comment on my patience though.
I'll see what I can find from what you've given me - working backwards from Sarah.
Do you have the approx place in Flintshire where the farm was. There are quite a few sources on landholding. And was the farm in the Jones (ugh) name?
Gadget
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Dsd - have you got them on any of the censuses at all? You seem to imply that you are jumping from Sarah's marriage back to the 1841 with nothing in between.
It's usual to work backwards - Sarah on 1861, Sarah's birth, family on 1851, family on 1841 and a marriage of her parents in between somewhere.
Gadget
If you have Sarah's birthdate - who was her mother - it helps wth the searching
And where was Robert living when he died - there are about 25 possibles on the 1891
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Well I'm getting somewhere. Sarah and David Davies married in 1871 - Holywell (which was the RD that Mold was in). I checked on the N WAles BMD site http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/ so can't give you the GRO ref.
I'm a bit concerned about the children's birthdates though. She was born in 1851 and had her children between 1898 and 1904+ Now I know it's quite possible to have the odd child in one'slate 40s-early 50s but more than one ???
Could you re-check your dates please. There's something wrong here.
Gadget
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Gadget, my fault again......... Sarah Jones and David Davies only had the one child Robert c1871, the others were grandchildren.
From the info I have it states undefined (mother)? for Sarah
Will try to find out where Robert Jones died and where the farm is. I need to know as I intend to travel there.
Hope you still have hair when you have finished helping. :)
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dsd - I think I'll have another look ;)
I've solved who an elusive Mary from Scotland was, who John Hairstens parents where and when he was born, taken masses of bets on the 33333 thread and various other bits and pieces and I still ain't sorted your Robert :'( :'( :'(
Hair still there, sense of humour still there ;)
Get a map or use multimap or old-maps to see if you can spot the various possibles around the Mold area. It is quite industrialised but intermixed with pockets of rurality. If you can find the name of the farm, I have a buddy who knows all the farms around there.
Gadget
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Are you sure of Robert Jones date of birth. The only one I can find on the 1861 in that broad area with a daughter Sarah b.c. 1851, was born circa 1815. He was a tailor.
Gadget
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Hi, do you have Sarah, David and Robert on the 1881 Census? I've had a look but can't find them.
Paul.
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Can't find them anywhere Paul - I think there's something wrong somewhere. I gather dsd is getting information from an elderly relative, so have put this on the backburner. Another pair of eyes would be most welcome :)
It might be worth trying England as well, I suppose.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget, I agree something is wrong I can't find them anywhere. I have looked for them on the 1881 born mold living in England but still nothing.
Paul.
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The only one that I can find born Mold was born circa 1831:
Ho107/1410/2 Folio 5 Page 12
He is living in Wylfa, Argoed
Edward Jones, 50-54, collier
Ann, 50-54
Edward, 20-24
Elizabeth, 15-19
Sarah, 10
Robert, 10
All born county
Robert Jones is a fairly common name as you no doubt know :(
Gadget
Hi dsd,
You said this could not be the Robert Jones you are looking for because he only had one child. The people in Gadget's 1841 census are Robert (10) Parents and siblings not his children, so it could be him, unless you know his parents are not Edward and Ann.
Paul.
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And there are some ARgoed Robert and Sarah's in later censuses - I just gave them up as dsd was so sure that they weren't the right ones.
Thanks for re-reading thethread Paul. I'm a bit whacked at the mo, so will wait until dsd comes back to us.
Gadget
also note he has a sister Sarah
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Nice one Gadget, I did notice the Sarah. I'll go to the Archives this week and have a look at some Mold Baptisms.
Paul.
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That's great :) Are you anywhere near Ruthin as well?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Gadget
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Paul/Gadget, I can confirm the dob as correct but have tried all avenues to locate them. Maybe if I will leave it for a while and come back to it later.
Many thanks for your efforts.
:(
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Hi dsd3,
I found these baptisms in mold.
April 19 1829. Robert. S/O John & Catherine Jones. Bryncoed. Collier.
Dec 10 1829. Robert S/O Edward & Anne Jones. Argoed. Collier.
I think this is the one Gadget found on the 1841 Census.
I could only find one Sarah Jones with a Father Robert.
July 19 1854 Sarah D/O Robert & Elizabeth Jones. Mold Collier. I know It's four years after her birth but you do sometimes find baptisms years after a birth.
Paul.
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Paul,thanks for persevering, I was able to find the name Elizabeth mentioned in a section of the Family Search, this has given me more to go on.I have just this minute sent a picture to the Evening Leader paper to try to locate the farm/relatives.
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Hello dsd 3
I may be a little late, but I read your information and was wondering how you have made out.
I did a little looking around and found a Robert Jones born 1830 in Holywell.
He had a daughter Sarah born 1851 also Holywell. On the 1861, if I am still with the right family, they have 5 children.
Bob