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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: Jeffrey on Saturday 17 June 06 22:11 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
Does any one have in their tree a ROBERT ARMSTRONG who was a a farm servant at 'Orchard' near Canonbie in or around 1855?
He was named as the father of my G Grandmother Agnes Jackson/ Armstrong born Feb 1855. in the Canonbie Kirk Records. Her mother was Charteris Jackson b 1833
Any help or ideas appreciated
JUDY
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Hi Judy
Have you tried looking for him on the Scotlands people web site -
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
This has all the censuses 1841-1901 so you could chase him up that way - also look for a baptism record in the OPRs on the site and any marriage or death registration.
It's pay to view but very reasonable.
Before starting, it is well worth reading Pam's guide to Scottish records:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
Gadget
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Thanks for message.
Yes have tried Scotlands People and OPR's but have not come up with any answers yet. Robert Armstrongs born around Canonbie seem to be very illusive on the Census's
Judy
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Do you have a birth record for your grt grandmother - she's obviously on the cusp of the OPR and the Official Reg.
Gadget
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Yes
Have birth Cert for Agnes Jackson born Feb 1855 Mother Charteris Jackson but it does not mention a father however I have her fathers name from the Canonbie Kirk Session Minute book who named Robert Armstrong as the father of Charteris Jackson's child in 1854/55. That the 'guilt' took place when they were servants at 'Orchard'
I know about Charteris Jackson through to her death but know nothing about him apart from he was a Servant at Orchard in 1854/55.
Judy
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Have a look at this on the 1851 census - SP site:
GROS Ref - 814 -00007-00006
Peterburn, Canonbie
Farmer is John Stacks -
Robert Armstrong, 20, unmarried, farm servant, born Canonbie
It's the nearest that I can find.
Gadget
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Thanks for this one. I have looked at the 1851 Census before & got two others fairly close to this age but for some reason not this one and I think he is the most likely one.
Will have to try & prove it now!
Judy
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Yes - one of the others is on the same page, aged 32 and farmer's son. Think the other, aged 18, was a farmer's son as well.
Worth following up.
Gadget
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Thanks for all your help.
I have followed some Robert Armstrongs from Canonbie and discounted them due to various reasons.
You thought that the farm where he was a servant was Petersburn but I can not find any reference to Petersburn anywhere and looking at it on the census it could be something else - any ideas. I could send you a copy off list
Judy
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Don't worry about the copy - I'll download it and blow it up. I'll let you know what I think.
It certainly doesn't look like Orchard though :-\
Gadget
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Well Idon't don't know what it is and I'm not going to make my eyes even more squiffy :'(
This is what I've got:
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Could possibly be Suterburn or Paterburn ???
My DSL line is playing up so not sure how long I'm on for - High Pressure :-\
Gadget
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Looked at my OS map and found it!
Pertersburn
When you know what it is it is easy to spot.
It is in the area of 'Orchard' so he could have easily moved to Orchard as a Servant in 1854.
Also he is a consistant age, place of birth and occupation - with a Robert Armstrong in the 1841 Census from 'Barracrofts Outhouse' Canonbie that I have and can get no further with who I think is a contender.
There is another Robert Armstrong in the area of the right age etc but he is a Stone Mason, His mother was Margaret Scoone and he died in 1861 of consumption. I have ruled him out as he isn't a sevant and he is with his family on all the census's. Another one was born in 1832 at Torcoon - again he is not the one. He emigrated.
Any more suggestions for finding this ones parents would be gratefully recieved as I can find no other Robert Armstrong born in 1830/31 around Canonbie that seems to fit the bill.
Thanks for all your help.
Judy
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Judy
Have you looked at the 15 Jan 1832 bpt., Canonbie: Robert Armstrong, parents John Armstrong and Margaret Scoon.
GRO Ref - 814-000003
or was he the one who emigrated. There's also one in Kirkcolm (1832) and one Ewes (1828)
Gadget
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Thanks for the information. Yes the Robert Armstrong with the right date of birth & Margaret Scoon as mother was the stone mason I had discounted as he is with his parents in the Census's until his death in 1861
There is a Robert A born in Castleton in 1830 which is the right age group. I know it is Roxburgh but it is right on the border & I am wondering if one of his parents were from around Canonbie.
If I can find nothing else I may have to send for the OPR and see if it gives any information. Gets expensive if it is wrong.
Thanks for your help
Judy