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:D Searching for the Hamond family in the Saffron Walden area. Maria Hammond was married in Saffron Walden to William Styles of Theydon in 1821. Maria was born circa 1797. Her family may have originated in Langley. It is possible that Maria had a sister Rebecca.
Any information on the Hammond family please.
Jean
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Hi Jean,
I'm not sure if the Maria Hammond you seek info about is related to my search for a Maria Hammond of Saham Toney, Norfolk, not far from Saffron Walden, born around 1823 according to the 1841 census so she was around 18 then. In her household was John Reed Hammond aged 50. But my grandmother used to tell me a tale that a Maria Hammond took up with a Robert Thurston from the same area but she would never tell her parents where they married. She had three children, ?Samuel Thurston, ?Rosalind or Rose and the eldest William (whose birth certificate I have passed down through our family). She fled from Robert to Waterfoot in Rossendale with her children. The story was, my grandfather was told, that every now and again a very fine carriage with coat of arms on the door used to visit their home in Waterfoot and the children were all told to stay out of the house until after it left. The occupants were trying to establish the marriage of Maria and Robert but she would never say where this took place. We suspect they never actually married. Rumour was the Hammonds were very well to do hence the posh coach that used to visit and that Maria was their sole heir. I have a pair of ivory opera glasses that purportedly belonged to her. If this story wasn't true, where did they come from? A census entry I found stated that at one time a sister named Maria and a niece named Elizabeth also lived with this Maria Hammond. I don't know if these are related to your family at all but if it ties in with yours and you find out anything else, perhaps you could let me know? With kind regards,
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Maria Styles death registered Epping 1846 age 47 born circa 1798/99
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The first child is Eliza Hammond Styles born 21 April 1821 bap 24 May 1821 Saffron Walden Buried at Theydon Garnon 6 October 1822.
So is Eliza her mother's name?.
It was usual to name the first daughter after the maternal grandmother, but not an absolute certainty, it could be maternal great grandmother.
2nd child is Rachel Langley Styles bap 10 Nov. 1822 buried 10 November 1822 also at Theydon Garnon
So the name surname Langley is important.
First son is Thomas and that is William Styles father's name, so named after paternal grand father
Ref: will of Thomas Styles of Latton 1837 names sons William and John and daughter Hannah Laundry? and grand daughter Elizabeth S--witt
William on census says he is from Latton Essex.
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I think I found her
Maria Hammond baptized 29 July 1810 age 12 3/4 years so born circa 1797/8
parents are John and Sarah Hammond at Saffron Walden
Ref: https//freereg.org (it is running really slow)
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If I have the correct family
John Hammond widower married Sarah Orger 7 August 1787 at Saffron Walden
children
Amelia 1787
Frances 1789
John 1790 died 1790
Elizabeth 1792
Rebecca 1793
John 1795
Maria 1797 who was not baptized till she was 12 3/4 years old.
I believe John Hammond's (he was single) first wife was Mary Smith -widow married 16 December 1783 at Saffron Walden
They had
Susanna bap 1784 -
Mary was buried 28 May 1786 Saffron Walden.
The John Hammond for both these marriages signed his name.
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There is another John Hammond who married Elizabeth Waller 24 January 1779 but he made his mark.
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Welcome to Rootschat jillybobs.
Maria DOUBLEDAY married Robert THURSTON 3 Jul. 1847 Saham-Toney, Norfolk
Her Father JOHN Doubleday, Roberts GEORGE Thurston.
I am a little confused as Maria/Robert are together on the 1851/1881 Census and have no children.
Maria died 3 Jul. 1883 Saham Toney age 61
There is a Maria DOUBLEDAY bapt 15 February 1823 Saham to JNO/ANN
This is the Census you refer too. No children to Robert/Maria;
Robert Thurston 36 Head Mar Ag Lab
Maria Thurston 38 Wife Mar
Maria Thurston 42 Sister Unm
Elizabeth Thurston 15 Niece
When where were William/Rose/Samuel born?
Under Thurston or Hammond?
What is the info on Williams Birth Cert?
Trish :)
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Back again jillybobs.
1871 Census for your Maria??????;
Norwich, Norfolk
Robt Thurston 44 Head born Bury St Edmunds
MARIE Thurston 36 Wife born Ipswich
Julia Thurston 16 Daughter
Harriet Thurston 14 Daughter
Gordon Thurston 12 Son
WILLIAM Thurston 10 Son******
Edward Thurston 8 Son
Elizabeth Thurston 6 Daughter******
THURSTON, WILLIAM mothers maiden name HAMMOND
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 131
And Rosa.
THURSTON, ELIZABETH ROSA** mmn HAMMOND
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 136
1881 Maria THORNTON (Thurston) is living in Spotland, Lancs
Widowed* 4 children with her including William.
Born c 1835 Ipswich, Norfolk, England (as on Anc.)
1891 in Bacup Lancs
Maria Thurston 64 Head Widow born 1827 Suffolk
Edward Thurston 27 Son
George Brown 14 Grandson
Robert Brown 12 Grandson
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Marriage Reg;
March 1848
HAMMOND Maria Ipswich 12 463
Robert THURSTON on same page :)
THURSTON, JANE THURSTON mmn HAMMOND
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 12 Page 356
1851 in Ipswich;
Robert Thurston 28 Head born Norfolk
Maria Thurston 25 Wife born Cretingham, Suffolk
Jane Thurston 2 Daughter
Lulia Thurston 1 Daughter (Julia)
John Bird 17 Lodger
Ellin Robinson 8 Lodger
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Hi trish1120,
Many thanks for your posts and thank you ever so much for all the info! Am I correct in thinking at from your last post that it seems Maria and Robert actually were married at Ipswich?
The birth certificate I have is for William, born 31st May 1861, father Robert Thurston, a blacksmith, mother Maria Thurston, formerly Hammond living at King street, St Peter per Mountergate, Norwich. I have his death certificate showing death 25th November 1943 at Walkden, Worsley Manchester and the informant was his daughter who I knew as my great aunt Eunice (married name Berry).
We understood this William was the eldest child of Robert and Maria.
What I find fascinating about the story I was told is that is it not very many generations back and I have the opera glasses which I would have thought would have to have belonged to someone of means back then so finding out where Maria was born/lived etc would be amazing. There was also some talk that her father, Mr Hammond investing in the Brunel, SS Great Eastern, ship and that Robert Thurston, a blacksmith, worked on the vessel.