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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: jend on Monday 04 September 06 11:44 BST (UK)
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I am interested in any Young marriages in Winterslow between 1812 and 1837. In particular, William Young to ? Lucy Reeves c.1820. If anyone has the parish transcriptions for this period, I'd be grateful for any info. Many thanks in advance if so.
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Hi jend,
You seem to have come up against one of the problems of Wiltshire parish registers. WFHS prepare superb transcripts up to 1837 but only for baptisms and burials, because they do not want to duplicate the existing Phillimore marriage transcripts, but Phillimore only goes up to 1812. To the best of my knowledge, transcripts for Winterslow marriages do not exist for after 1812.
The baptism transcripts, however, provide much useful information. It appears that the breeding pairs after 1812 were William and Mary, Stephen and Miriam, William and Lucy of Easton, Charles and Ann, Stephen and Jane, and James and Esther; presumably these were all married in Winterslow.
I assume that you are interested in who Lucy is. There seem to be two possibilities, Lucey Hayden born 1799 and Lucy Reeves born 1800. Both are from longstanding Winterslow families and are equally possible. However, I am reasonably confident that Lucy is Lucy Reeves because in the 1851 census, William and Lucy have as a lodger Elizabeth Reaves.
If this is important to you, marriages in Winterslow can be easily resolved by borrowing the film of the Winterslow parish register at your nearest Family History Centre of LDS.
I hope this is of interest to you. Please come back with any queries.
Best wishes,
Colin
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Hallo Colin. Thanks very much for replying. I had reached the same conclusion about Lucy Reeves, and, having acquired the Winterslow marriages transcription from 1598 -1812, had concluded that she was the child of Richard Reeves and Elizabeth Morgan who were married in 1779.
To prove this, I will just have to get off my chair and go to a family centre!
Best wishes, Jenny (jend)
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Hi Jenny,
My grandmother was from Winterslow and it is always a pleasure to look into the Winterslow records.
I wondered if you knew anything about Elizabeth Morgan. Morgan is a very unusual name in Winterslow. There are only two baptisms and two burials.
My guess is that Elizabeth's parents were William Morgan and Elizabeth Judd who were married in Winterslow in 1761. Judd is the most common name in the Winterslow parish register, and I, like anybody else from Winterslow, have a Judd in my family tree.
I wondered if you knew where William Morgan was from. It is interesting that Elizabeth was not baptized in Winterslow.
Regards
Colin
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Hi Colin,
I'm afraid I haven't got any further back than Richard and Elizabeth as yet.
Lucy Reeves was my gt gt grandmother.
I notice that you also have a name from Downton below your message. How does one get these names onto the website?
I have Mussell ancestors in Downton; one of them, John (b.1823) was married to Anne Reeves (1826-1850). I don't know whether the Downton and Winterslow Reeves families are connected. Do you?
Regards, Jenny (jend)
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Hi Jenny,
How to list your interests? At the top of the page there is a link to profile, follow that for several pages and you will find a page to list your interests.
Are the Downton and Winterslow Reeves families connected? There are so many entries for Reeves in Wiltshire it would take extreme luck to prove. You would need a marriage entry stating "of Downton" or "of Winterslow" A good place to look would be in Sarum Marriage Licence Bonds but there are 472 entries for Reeves 1650 - 1800.
Idmiston is a parish bordering Winterslow - in fact there is a detached part of the Idmiston which is physically within Winterslow. There is a similar number of entries for Reeves in Idmiston as in Winterslow, and it is highly probable that the families are related.
Mussel is one of the long established families in Downton, and I found several grave stones for Mussel when I was in the cemetry last summer. I think I have traced my branch of the Mussell family back to 1595.
There are many entries for Mussel in the IGI. All the earlier ones are from church members. In my experience, the entries giving an exact date have been accurately extracted from the parish register and can be trusted.
Hope this is of interest
Colin
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Thanks, Colin, very interesting. Jenny
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hI Jenny
re Downton, I live about 5 miles from Downton so it is very easy for me check anything out that you need , Salisbury library have good BMD for downton, let me know if I can help
Nicky
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Hi Nicky,
Thanks very much for your reply. I actually live in Winchester, so there are really no excuses for not doing my own research! Thanks very much for the offer, though. Just back from holiday, so getting myself together before deciding what to do next. I will be in touch again soon. Regards, Jenny
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Hi Jenny,
My 3rd g.grandparents were William Young and Lucy Reaves. I also came to the conclusion that Lucy Reaves was Williams wife when I saw Elizabeth Reaves living with them in 1851. I have a marriage date of July 14 1822.
I am descended from their son John born in 1834.
Regards,
Ann
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Hi Ann,
Many thanks for making contact. I did not have the marriage date you mention. Do you have documentary proof of it? If so, I would be grateful if you could let me see a copy.
Have you been able to establish exact birth/baptism dates and places for William' parents, Charles and Ann? I have Ann's baptism date as 7th October 1770 in Winterslow (according to the parish registers) which accords with the IGI. But I have not been able to trace Charles being born in Winterslow around 1766 (as per IGI).
Best wishes, Jenny
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Hi Jenny,
I don't know whether you have found the marriage for Charles Young and Ann Stone. If not, it was 25 April 1791 in Winterslow. There is no indication from the entry that Charles was from Winterslow.
Winterslow PR has not been extracted into the IGI by LDS. Therefore all IGI entries were submitted by church members. In my experience for Winterslow, if the entry has an exact date it is correct, otherwise it is a guess. Winterslow baptisms are now available on familyhistoryonline but of course you have to pay.
Charles was buried 13 Jul 1832 and his age is given as 67, thus supporting a birth around 1766. I am now convinced that his baptism was 7 May 1769 in Laverstock[recorded in IGI] and that his parents were Stephen and Esther. I come to this conclusion because there is a marriage entry [by licence] for Stephen Young of Winterbourne and Esther Rogers in Winterslow PR for 1765. On the licence he is Stephen Jun. Young of Winterbourne Gunner. It seems possible that Charles was born during the move to Laverstock and was baptized later, although after his sister Sarah in 1768. It could be worth looking at the parish register for further information.
Hope this is useful
Colin
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Dear Colin,
Thanks very much for all this. I had found the marriage, as I have the Baptism and Burials book for Winterslow published by WFHS, but hadn't connected Stephen Young to Charles. What you say is convincing. I hadn't intended go to back further than my 3xgtgrandparents, but keep getting lured on by enticing bits of information.
I still need to confirm the marriage date of William Young and Lucy Reeves (the Winterslow marriage disc I consulted stopped at 1812).
Best wishes, Jenny
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Dear Jenny(my wife's name is Jenny)
If you have a Stone from Winterslow in your family tree we must be related. I think our common ancestors are from the marriage of Richard Stone and Elizabeth White.
As Ann Stone's grandmother was Mary Judd, it is probable that we are also related through the Judd line, athough I have not checked where. It is usually possible to trace [using the IGI] Judd ancestors to the marriage of Thomas Judd to Edith in 1518.
I hope these are enticing bits of information.
Happy hunting
Colin
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Hi Jenny
A few weeks ago you were asking about the marriage of William Young. I saw the parish register on film today and the date given for the marriage by Ann[jazzi] is the one in the register. One of the witnesses was Samuel Rogers and I think the other was James Green.
Good luck
Colin
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Many thanks, Colin. That's very helpful, and just about completes the data I was hoping to confirm.
Best wishes, Jenny