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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: aspin on Wednesday 20 September 06 11:33 BST (UK)
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I am looking for John Gair born around 1838 I cannot find his birth certificate
Elizabeth
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Can you give more information? Northumberland is a large county. There is not much to go on here. Where would you expect to find him? Have you got any census records for him? Not all births were registered that early as it was not complusory until much later. A baptism might be a better bet. Have you got his marriage certificate which will name his father?
Andrea
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John was born in Amble Northumberland
His father was Robert and his mother was ?????????
Hi Sillgen
John Gair
His first Marriage was to a Catherine Bolton his second wife was Esther Brewer she was from Lincoln
I have tried Alnwick for the birth certificate of John but it could not be found although I had numbers to go on I had picked up at Bolbec Hall Newcastle
I had been to my genealogy class this morning and was showing friends how to enter rootschat and how quick the replies came through
Elizabeth
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1861 census RG9 3877 F59 p30 Hauxley Village
Robert Gair 57 Farm labourer b Hauxley
Jane 52 b Foladon?
Robert 25 farm lab b Amble Link
John 23 farm lab "
Edwrd 20 farm lab b ????Hill
Elizabeth 16 "
Margaret 12 "
All the birth places were in Northumberland but I could not read them easily.
I expect it is the right John though. What was his occupation?
Andrea
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1851 HO107 2419 1928 Gloster Hill
Robert 49 ag lab b Hauxley
Jane 49 b Falladon?
Mary Ann 17 Hse serv b Amble Link
Robert 17 farm serv "
John 13 farm serv b Amble
Edward 9
Elizabeth 6
Margaret 3 all b Gloster Hill
Looks as if he went into the mines later.
Andrea
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1871 RG10 5170 F47 p20 Gibson St Amble
Jane Gair Hd 64 Widow pauper b New Falloden?
next door
John Gair 32 Coal trimmer & miner b Amble
Catherine 30 b Thriston?
Robert 8 b Buston?
John 6 b Radcliffe
Margaret 5
Joseph 2
Edward 11 months all b Amble
If you cannot find John's birth certificate why not look for one of his siblings? The local office do not need the GRO number. They only need an approximate date. Have a look at www.genuki.com to see which office you should write to.
Andrea
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Robert Gair married a Jane Miller on 12/02/1832 at Jarrow St Paul; I know that doesn't answer your direct question but presume you are trying to get further back in your tree??
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Thank you Sillgen
I know this is him father Robert born Hauxley
and John was born in Amble some documents show Links farm Amble and Gloster Hill is where some of the children were born.
I have Johns sons (Robert ) birth certificate it was Johns I was after
Maybe he was born on the fringe of the start of certificates
Elizabeth
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Ah
Again it would have been very helpful if you had said originally what you knew about the family. As you implied that you did not know his mother I assumed you did not have the census records.
John may well have been too early for birth certificates which is why I suggested looking for one of his younger siblings (brothers and sisters) as I thought you were trying to find his mother's maiden name.
habanero has come up with a likely marriage but you do need to confirm this by getting a birth certificate for one of the children so that you are sure she was Jane Miller.
Andrea
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Habanero here again!
One tippet, many agricultural labourers became miners.. strange though it seems due to the danger and well known poverty but mining paid more than tilling the fields.. my ancestor Thomas Robson should have stuck to the fields but when he lost his wife, he went doon the pits and died aged 42 when crushed between 2 wagons and orphaning his kids.. silly blighter!
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Thank you both
John Gair finished up a trimmer working at the Steiths at Amble trimmers were well paid so as you say the money would be better
Thanks again
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth
I happen to be doing the same tree as you and I have Johns parents down as Robert Gair and Jane Wake they married in St Lawrence Church Warkworth on 17/5/1829 I don't know if this info is of any help I am assuming you are looking for his mothers name?
Karen
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Hello Karen
We maybe making up the same family tree
I have found these
Robert Gair born 1836 Amble Links
John Gair born 1838 Amble Links
Edward Gair born 1841 Gloster Hilll Amble
Elizabeth Gair born 1845 Gloster Hill Amble
Margaret Gair born 1849 Gloster Hill Amble
There is a gab 7 years from the marriage to the first child could this be right
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth
Before Robert 1836 their was:
Jane 1830 Amble
Isabella 1832 Amble
Mary Ann 1834 Amble
Karen
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I have only just discovered this site. Can anyone join in this chat? I hope so, because my wife is descended from Isabella GAIR Ch 22 Mar 1807 at Warrkworth, daughter of William GAIR and Jane (YOUNG) who we believe to be the sister of the Robert GAIR whose name started this chat and we would love to know what became of the other GAIRS in this family.
Michael WARDELL
mvwardell1@tiscali.co.uk
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Hi Michael
Welcome to rootschat - do join in! It might be better if you remove your email address though. We tend not to publish them in case spammers get hold of them. If you go into your post you can click the modify button and remove it or put AT instead of @ so that automatic scanning does not find it. You can contact another rootschat member by using the personal message system - click on the grey square under their name, scroll down and you will find the option to do that.
Regards
Andrea
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Hi Michael look at your PM
Welcome from a rellie of yours
Elizabeth
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Hi Michael look at your PM
Welcome from a rellie of yours
Elizabeth
You beat me to it Sillgen
Elizabeth
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http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/m/Lilian-Campbell/PHOTO/0001photo.html
This is the wedding photo of William Fraser and Eliza Cameron-MacKintosh. From left to right are Mayrine Johnston,William, Eliza, Marjorie Elliot and John Gair. The girls are nieces of the bride.Best man, John, is William's cousin
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This is a lovely photo but was this John Gair born at Amble Northumberland 1838
When was this taken as my John died 1817
Elizabeth
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John Gair, a miner, and mate of the deceased said they were going to set up camp at the ferry for the night. A double barrel gun was lying on the top of some swags, and the deceased took hold of the gun by the muzzle, and, when he was pulling it off the dray, the trigger must have caught in something, for the gun went off and shot him.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nzbound/otago_bdm1862.htm