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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Keith Bateman on Wednesday 04 October 06 23:21 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I think I may have to change my "Cheshire Cat" if I find another relative from north of the border!! ;D
Now I have just been sent a birth record for Aiton Walker - never seen a Scottish one before - great isn't it - has the mother's name as well!! ;)
Now the fun starts!!
It says the father was James Walker, Tailor Bridgend on the Dolphington Parish records - could anyone tell me where Bridgend is - or is it an area of Dolphington?
How/where do I find out any more details of Aiton's parents?
One final query - the son seems to have been named after the Minister at the time - John Aiton - was this usual?
If you want more details there is a photo of the record on my website:
http://batemans-history.rootschat.net/aiton-walker-birth-record.jpg
ANY help will be appreciated - still not used to how things work in Scotland
Cheers
Keith
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Hi MacKeith
JUst had to answer this - no wonder you like whisky.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
If you're going to start on Scottish records, I suggest you have a read of Pam's intro on the top of the Scotland - General Board. Also have a look at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
and:
http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-lanark.htm
Give me a shout if you need your hand held ;)
Gadget
PS not unusual to be named after the minister - I have one as well - off to look for any bits and pieces for you :)
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Hi Gadget,
Thanks for those links etc
Have just read Pam's Scottish notes (again ;))
May even have found the parents in the '41 census although Aiton in not at home - wonder if the Scottish enumerators are any better at spelling his name than the English - he seemed to change it to John in later life (or is that an Anglised version?)
Still not found Bridgend - it's to popular!!
Right - off to see what an Englishman can find in Scottish records! ;D
Cheers
Keith
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Must be the correct census record as it states they are living at "Bridge End Dolphington" - so it must be a small area of the village ;)
See I can now read Scottish :o
Keith
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Hi Keith
If you get too many of these Scottish folks (especially post 1855) - you are going to learn to hate English Certificates. You will also discover the joys of being able to download a certificate online for one pound. Thus said - at one stage SP owned my credit card - it was just too easy :o :o :o
Before spending your life's savings my small piece of advice:
I have found the IGI very good for Scotland and only found a few parish records for my folks on SP that weren't on the IGI (Of course this didn't stop me spending my money to look ;D ). Civil indexes 1855 to 1875 (& a couple of other odd years) are also on the IGI.
If you are searching on SP for census data, some Scottish ladies are listed in their maiden name (that caused me grief for awhile, but once found was VERY useful).
Your location is probably a small locality near Dolphinton, given that was where your man was christened. I have found similar localities in the past (with help from RC) via oldmaps. If I can find the website I will check.
Your register entry is quite intriguing as to why the mininster's details are where they are ??? Presumably because of the name. As his given name was John, perhaps this is why your ancestor started using the name.
There is a Bridgend in Lanark from old maps - Grid Ref: 268500,670500
whether it is yours or not? Dolphinton (I don't think there is a "g" in it) is Grid Ref: 310500,646500
Trish
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Ahhh
After praising the IGI I find the batch for Dolphinton is one of those "Female only" batches that the LDS don't seem to have explained as to WHY. There is a sister to your man - Agnes, born 1823.
The marriage appears to be there
JAMES WALKER MARY NEWLANDS Marriage: 06 OCT 1820 Covington And Thankerton Lanark - Batch M116335.
Trish
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Hi Trish,
Thanks for those comments - and the marriage - I am sure I looked for it before and it wasn't there!! ::) ::) ::)
The village of Dolphington - seems to lose the "g" in its title sometime - just to confuse me!! ;)
Will now have some more "fun" with place names and births etc
Thanks again
Keith
P.S. I thought at first that Mary must have had a "crush" on the Minister - but that couldn't happen could it :o :o :o
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Hi Jean,
BRILLIANT - that's great - it also shows I have the correct census record for the parents and 3 youngest children.
Wonder what happened between 1825 and 1836 - that seems a large gap?
This Scottish malarkey is easy when you have such helpful people to push you along ;D ;D
Thanks again
Keith
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P.S. I thought at first that Mary must have had a "crush" on the Minister - but that couldn't happen could it
This reminds me of rather sad family story - a relative many moons ago committed suicide - the story being she was pregnant. One of the suggestions has been that the man involved was the local preacher.
On a slightly different tack - I fell in love with the minister's son when aged 15 ;D (but I eventually had only a daughter, so it will never be known if I may have named a son after him ;D )
So anything is possible - Enjoy learning to speak Scots - most of the language is well beyond me - I still can't understand why a land deed has to be called a sasine (or is that sassine).
Trish
PS The IGI is continually being updated - the marriage may not have been there before - if they could just add a few men to those batches!
I see Jean has found some men plus later dates? Perhaps there were some stillborns? - I must buy the BVRI
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PS The IGI is continually being updated - the marriage may not have been there before
Trish
Yes but I looked 3 hours ago!! - Men!! ::) ::)
if they could just add a few men to those batches!
trish
I see you are still chasing men, trish ;D ;D ;D
Keith
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It is obviously late in your part of the world Keith - the conversation seems to be fast moving from the topic ;D ;D ;D ;D
I am renowned (infamously?) for missing the "alternative" meaning of what I say. This has often caused me grief. I think it is coffee time.
Trish
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I was surprised to find my previous post removed for copyright infringement and have learned that it was considered a partial cut and paste. Unfortunately I had not retained the original message as I had typed it right into the message box. So that is a new lesson for me.....must save all Rootschat posts in a Word document so I can refer back to any that I have made!! :'(
Now for another attempt.....Reading the thread minus my previous post sort of leaves you wondering doesn't it? I mean...what was able to be discovered in some alternate sources ?
Here we go....
The British Isles Vital Records Index is a terrific resource. Oftentimes it can produce records that are not found in the online IGI and that proved true in this circumstance. All rights are reserved by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints of course. By performing a parent search on the names of James WALKER and Mary NEWLANDS you are easily directed to a listing of 5 christening records of their offspring. Whether this is a complete listing I have no way of knowing but it is complete as to what this particular index provided. The large gap in years between Aiton and Janet would seem to indicate some possible missing births. All christenings were recorded in Dolphinton, which is in Lanarkshire, Scotland. These particular records are sourced to a Family History Library Film #1066588.
Agnes, female, born March 16, 1823 and christened March 30, 1823.
Aiton, male, born May 15, 1825 and christened June 12, 1825.
Janet, female, born June 17, 1836 and christened July 17, 1836.
David, male, born September 15, 1838 and christened October 15, 1838.
James, male, born May 25, 1841 and christened June 10, 1841.
Best wishes
Jean
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There is a Bridgend in Lanark from old maps - Grid Ref: 268500,670500
whether it is yours or not? Dolphinton (I don't think there is a "g" in it) is Grid Ref: 310500,646500
Bridge-End, Dolphinton is marked on the 1965 one-inch Ordnance Survey map, but not on the current Landranger. If you go to www.streetmap.co.uk and search for Dolphinton (without the 'g') it will produce a map of the village. Bridge-end is the building represented by a pink square at grid reference co-ordinates 310815,647165 - you can also search using this and it will come up with an arrow pointing to it.
You can use the same co-ordinates on www.old-maps.co.uk which will take you to the 1864 map, where Bridge-end is named.
The Bridgend at 268500,670500 is a red herring. There are lots of Bridgends all over Scotland.
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I still can't understand why a land deed has to be called a sasine (or is that sassine).
Because that's its name in Scotland! :)
Sasine is a term in Scots Law and means 'the act of giving legal possession of feudal property, infeftment'. It is from Latin sasina
I'm sure you know that Scots Law is different from English Law. There are loads of legal procedures and terms like sasine which occur in Scots Law but not in English Law, and some which occur in English Law but not in Scots Law. For example there are no coroners or inquests in Scots Law, and no Procurator Fiscal in England.
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Hi Forfarian,
That great - thank you.
Love the old map - with the smithy and even the wells marked!
Cheers
Keith
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Dear Keith,
I am sorry to pop up in an old thread, but am researching Aiton Walker who is my great x2 grandfather's brother. Most of the Walker's stayed in the Lanarkshire / Dumfrieshire, Peebleshire area, but can you tell me how Aiton moved to Liverpool and where the reference to his family can be found. I am unable to prove this from all my various links / usual sources.
Alasdair Walker
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Hi Alasdair,
Have a look on 1861 census - RG9/2654
F47 P30
I have more - give me your email and I will give them to you.
Keith
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