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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Berkshire => England => Berkshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Lindyloowho on Thursday 05 October 06 20:36 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for Elizabeth NASH age 62, unmarried in 1861 in Aldermaston, possible with mother Hannah age abt. 82.
Thank you, Linda
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Got a birthplace for either Elizabeth or Hannah, Linda ?
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Sorry :-\, Hannah was born in Midgham and Elizabeth in Thatcham, but both living in Aldermaston in 1841/1851. I believe Hannah died in 1863.
Linda
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Possible for Hannah:
Roadside Cottages Aldermaston:
NASH, Hannah Head Widow 83 Blind b. Midgham
NASH, Rosa H Granddaughter Unmarried F 43 b. Aldermaston
NASH, Eliza Daughter Unmarried 15 b. Bradfield
NASH, Martha (?) Daughter Unmarried 13 b. Bradfield
NASH, George Son Unmarried 2 b. Bradfield
RG9/743 folio 12 p17
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Hello Linda,
I have most of the Nash's from Aldermaston on my tree. You have to be a bit careful linking them because there were so many illegitimacies and second marriages, and children christened with the same names born the same year but with different parents.
Elizabeth chr 1799 was dau of William Nash and Hannah Hamblin, she of Midgham. Elizabeth had at least 4 illegitimate children that I have found, and her daughter, Rosanna, had at least 7.
What is your specific interest? I might be able to help further. Be quick though or you will have to wait until I get back from holiday on the 19th Oct. I go on the 10th.
Regards
Vicwinann
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Thank you to both of you for the 1861 info and the offer of help. I'm researching the Nashes for a friend and from what he's told me I've gone back to Henry b 1828/29 (my friends gg grandfather), who married Elizabeth of Cove. Their son Thomas Henry b 1853 married Esther Giles in 1872, and had son Will b 1884. Will married Agnes Saunders and had my friends father b 1916.
The 1841 census shows two Henry's - one son of Charles and Elizabeth, the other the son of Charles and Martha. However the 1851 shows a Henry as a grandson of William and Hannah, but where was he in 1841? The I.G.I. shows a Henry b 1828 to Elizabeth d.o. William and Hannah, as you say, which would fit. I cannot find a marriage for Henry to Elizabeth of Cove (thought it would help identify his father) - to the point where I was wondering if Henry was his "proper" name, although he is consistent with name, age and birth place throughout all the census.
I very quickly realised that, again as you say, this family remarried, had oodles of illegitimate children :-\, and named these children all the same!!
Any help you could give me would be much appreciated.
Linda
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Hello Linda,
You are right. There were, in fact, 3 Henry Nashes. The one who was son of Charles and Elizabeth was born 1832 Woolhampton and I have him as yet unmarried. The one who was son of Charles and Hannah was chr 1827 Aldermaston and married Sarah Benham; and the one who married Elizabeth of Cove (no marriage as yet found) was chr 1829, illegitimate son of Elizabeth who was dau of William Nash and Hannah nee Hamblin.
He is there in 1841, as a 12 year old servant in the home of John and Sarah Flack or Fleck. Ref 107/29/1/1/page 2 The bottom of the page with John and Sarah Flack/Fleck is very dark but Henry, along with several other servants, is at the top of the next page and very clear.
I am away on holiday as from tomorrow (Sunday) for 10 days, but I would be happy to help further when I get back.
Regards
Vicwinann
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Hi there:
Thank you so much for finding Henry in 1841, that certainly helps! Given "my" Henry's age, birthplace in future census the best one for him is the illegitimate son of Elizabeth. I have been in touch with a descendant of one branch of the one that married Sarah Benham so I'm happy that's correct.
If you can be of further help I'd really appreciate it. Hope you had a good holiday!
Linda
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Hi
My Nash family may be linked to those in this thread. I believe John Read Nash' mother was Elizabeth but really guessing at going further. I would like to know more about the family - have found several possible census records but not sure if they are his family. There is a record of his marriage as 'John Read Nash" and same on his son's birth certificate but have not found other records with the name as John 'Read' Nash .
Thanks!
David
1 [My g-grandfather] Henry Nash. Born on 18 Jun 1857 in Union Workhouse, Stratton St. Margaret, Wiltshire. Henry died in Cork Home For The Protestant Incurables, on 30 Aug 1905; he was 48. Buried in St. Fin Barres Cemetery, Glasheen Rd., Cork.
*New [OCCU]: Naval Officer, coastguard
On 29 Jul 1882 when Henry was 25, he married Hannah Strange in Stoke - Demerel, Devonshire, England.
2 [Henry's father] John Read Nash. Born in 1825 in Longcot, Wiltshire. John Read died in pre 1882??.
Labourer
In Mar 1845 when John Read was 20, he married Sarah Moore in Faringdon.
3 [Henry's mother] Sarah Moore. Born on 29 Jul 1822 in Faringdon, Berks? Sarah died post 1891.
5 [John's mother?] Elizabeth Nash. Born on c3 Nov 1797 in Aldermaston, Berkshire, England.
6 [Sarah's father]Humphrey Moore. Born on 2 May 1799 in Farringdon, Co. Wiltshire, England.
Farrier
On 25 Mar 1820 when Humphrey was 20, he married Mary Bowles in Farringdon, Co. Wiltshire, England.
7 Mary Bowles. Born abt Feb 1794 in from Fernham, Berkshire, England. Mary died in Faringdon? ? 1866; she was 71.
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Sunnyhill, sorry to gatecrash your Nash thread, but my fiancee is having trouble tracking down some of her Bowles family, and when I spotted that your Humphrey married Mary Bowles I had to jump in!
She has a William John Bowles born 4/3/1865 in Fernham, Faringdon, parents William Bowles and Ann (Ralph). We know nothing more about William and Ann and wondered if they may be connected with the Mary Bowles you mentioned?
Cheers :-)
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Hi Barty - welcome to Rootschat :)
I think I can see your William in 1881 with his mother Ann who seems to have remarried Thomas Panting - do you have this information?
:)
Debbie
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Hi Barty
You should try the Bowles message list - via http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BOWLES_research_UK - very good list though only one person on there has any connection with the Fernham Bowles and that is doubtful. I'll have a look on Ancestry for you if you aren't subscribed to that. tried GenesReunited?
The most recent Bowles on my tree was b 1849 but happy to send what I have - can you pm your email?
Cheers
David
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Looks like Wm's parents:
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Ann Bowles 24 b Uffington
Elizabeth Bowles 2
Emily Bowles 7 Mo
William Bowles 22
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Hi - yes I found that - I have them in the other years too
1881 Great Farringdon
Eliza Bowles 19 fernham
Mary Bowles 15
William Bowles 17
Ann Panting 45 uffington
Thomas Panting 57 farringdon
1871 Little Coxwell
William Rowls 40 ag lab born Fernham berks
Ann Rowls 36 born Uffington Berks
Eliza Rowls 10
Emily Rowls 11
Mary Rowls 4
William Rowls 6
from 1861 Fernham
Ann Bowles 24
Elizabeth Bowles 2
Emily Bowles 7 Mo
William Bowles 22
from 1851
Thomas Bowles 51 wid ag lab born Uffington
Henry Bowles 18
John Bowles 15
William Bowles 20 son
from 1841
Elizabeth Bowles 30
Henry Bowles 8
John Bowles 6
Thomas Bowles 43
William Bowles 10
:)
Debbie
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Nice work spotting the 'Rowles' Debbie. Can I turn you loose on my family tree?
:D
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Thanks Sunny :)
You seem to be doing pretty well judging by above - did you have something particular you can't find or want?
Debbie
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One bit I have found for you Sunny
The marriage of John Read Nash to Sarah took place in Longcot (Farringdon reg dist)
March 31st 1845
John Read Nash (x) aged 19 bach lab s/o Elizabeth sp
to
Sarah Moore (x) aged 22 sp d/o Humphrey Smith
witnessed by Humphrey Moore & Wm? Bowles
They had a son George READ NASH baptised in Longcot 12th Apr 1846 s/o John Lab & Sarah
but there are no other baptisms for children of this couple at Longcot
:)
Debbie
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Many thanks to you both!
Still feeling my way around RootsChat, working out how it all works n stuff ;D We do have it noted that she remarried Thomas Panting, but I don't know why we missed those Census records in our many forays to Kew! Maybe that spelling error threw us.
It's prompted us to have a little review of all the many bits and pieces of paper hanging around and make sure everything is entered correctly in Family Tree Maker!!!! We'll be back, and probably more regularly :-)
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Good on you Barty
:)
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Thanks Debbie! I have seen that marriage listed in BDM but it is the only mention of John Read Nash I know of apart from on son Henry's birth cert. I don't have the wedding cert - guess it can be ordered? Anything you can find on John Read Nash would be great. I have found some READ families in the area which may be connected.
Sarah thought to have married three times - also to Richard Iles and Charles Young [1865 Little Coxwell] but two possible matches in 1881 census as below. ???
Sarah's father should be Humphrey Moore - does it say Smith? Or is that his occupation.
Would also like some proof that of the parents of Mary Bowles m Humphrey Moore [being John and Mary - as that has been queried].
Ta!
David
1841
Mary Mond [MOORE]
Age:
40
born:
Berkshire
Parish:
Shrivenham
John Holictay
87
Charles Mond
17
Humphrey Mond
40
Humphrey Mond
9
Martha Mond
6
Mary Mond
40
1851
Mary Moore' Age:54
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Humphrey
born: Fernham
parish: Longcot
Charles Mare [MOORE]
20
Humphrey Mare
52
Humphrey Mare
18 apprentice blacksmith
Mary Mare
54
1861 Faringdon
Humphrey MOORE
Age:
64
born:
Longcot
Civil parish:
Longcot
Charles Moore
31
Humphrey Moore
28
Mary Moore
64
Mary Ann Moore daughter in law [Humphrey jnr's wife] b Burton on the Water, Gloucestershire
20
1881
Elizabeth Read
Age: 58
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
born: Longcott
Parish: Longcott
address:
The Lane
Married
Field WorkER
James Jeffries
9
Elizabeth Read
58
John Read carpenter b Bishopstone, Wilts
73
John Read
13
Mary Read
17
1891
John Read
Age:
63
Spouse's Name:
Elizabeth
born:
Bishopstone, Wiltshire
Parish:
Longcot
Neighbors: Joseph Jordan 29, b Longcot and wife Mary [rels - ****]
Franci Jefferier, grandson
10 b Longcot, Berkshire
James Jefferies, grandson
19 b Longcot, Berkshire
Elizabeth Read
60 b Longcot, Berkshire
John Read retired carpenter
63
John Read, son, ag lab
23 b Longcot, Berkshire, ,
1841 England Census
about Elizabeth Read
Age:
45
born:
Wiltshire
Civil Parish: Fovant
Elizabeth Read
45
James Read
16
John Read
55
John Read
13
Stephen Read
8
1851
John Read
Age:
23
Relation:
Servant
born:
Trowbridge, Wiltshire
Civil Parish:
St Pancras,
Middlesex
1871
John Read
Age:
42
Relation:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Elizabeth [nee Jefferies? Father Isaac?? - 41 census]
Where born:
Bishopstone, Wiltshire
Civil Parish:
Longcot
Roseanna Jefferis
wife’s daughter,
b Faringdon, Berkshire
13
Elizabeth Read
b Longcot, Berkshire
44
John Read
42
John Read
b Longcot, Berkshire
3
Mary Read
b Longcot, Berkshire
7
1851 England Census
Name: Sarah Nash
Age: 27
Relation: Pauper
born: Longcote
Civil parish: Stratton St Margaret
1861
Sarah Iles
Age:
37
Relation:
Wife
Spouse's name:
Richard
born: Stratton
Civil parish:
Stratton St Margaret
Emma Iles 1
Richard Iles 36
Sarah Iles 37
1871 census
Stratton St Margaret
Richard Iles 46
Sarah Iles [wife] 47 both Ag Labs b Stratton
Emma Iles 11
1881
With Richard Iles [as Sarah Iles] in Highworth St, Highworth and daughter Emma 21 b Stratton
Emma Iles 21
Richard Iles 56
Birth: abt 1825 - Stratton St Margaret, Wiltshire
Sarah Iles 58
1881 England Census
about Sarah Young
Age:
61
Relation:
Head
Where born:
Longcot
Civil parish:
Little Coxwell
(Widower)
Ag Lab
Humphry Moore 50
Sarah Young 61
1841 census Stratton - a Richard Iles, 18 and Henry Iles, 15, both b Stratton, live with Wm and Elizabeth Seymour.
1851 census
78 Upper Stratton is 26yo, head of house [ag] with mother 'E' Iles, 67 b Minall, [pauper late ag lab] WILTS and sister "A" Iles, 23 b Stratton [servant out of place]
Charles Young is neighbour [#80] age 45 b Lambourn, Berks with wife "A" Young 45 b Purton both Ag lab
1861 census
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Where born: Stratton
parish: Stratton St Margaret
Emma Iles 1
Richard Iles 36
Sarah Iles 37
1891
Richard Iles
66
Relation: Head
born: Stratton St Margaret
Civil parish:
Stratton St Margaret
Richard Iles
Age: 66
Relation: Head
Where born: Stratton St Margaret
Civil parish: Stratton St Margaret
Emma Iles [daughter] b Str St Marg 30
Richard Iles 66
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Hi David - well I have really tried with your Nash family, and I am afraid I am not comming up with much at all. I can't find Henry Read Nash (b 1855 Stratton) in any census, and the only positive sighting I have of Sarah (nee Moore) his mother is in Stratton workshouse in 1851 with her 2 daughter Helen (Ellen) and Rosanna, I can find Ellen in all the following census and Rosanna is with her in 1871, but other than that I am not coming up with much at all. I looked at the Richard Iles & Sarah thing but I am not at all sure about it her age and place of birth are consistantly out.
On the Humphrey Moore to Mary Bowles part, first yes the Smith part of the marriage record refers to his occupation not his name. I am fairly confident that Mary is the one baptised 22nd Feb 1799 the daughter of John & Mary Bowles, farmer her brother John was baptised on the same day and the records make it plain that he was 5 weeks old but in her case it says -- years unfortunatly the number is missing, there is the added information that Mary the mothers maiden name was Forty, A likely birth for her in 1797 would fit with the dates of others of their children.
I will mull this over and see if I can come up with anything else
:-\
Debbie
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Thanks very much Debbie! That's pretty good proof on Mary Bowles parentage. What record did you find those details on please so I can use it as a reference.
My great grandfather Henry Nash I have only found on only one English census..... 1881. After that he lived in Ireland. John Read Nash's children's surnames were just NASH. I have records of their mother Sarah from other census years as in my last post.
Thanks a million for all this!!!!
David
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David - the Bowles baptism details are from the transcripts of the registers of Longcot produced by the OFHS
:)
Debbie
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Looks like Wm's parents:
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:-\ Sorry!
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On the Humphrey Moore to Mary Bowles part, first yes the Smith part of the marriage record refers to his occupation not his name. I am fairly confident that Mary is the one baptised 22nd Feb 1799 the daughter of John & Mary Bowles, farmer her brother John was baptised on the same day and the records make it plain that he was 5 weeks old but in her case it says -- years unfortunatly the number is missing, there is the added information that Mary the mothers maiden name was Forty, A likely birth for her in 1797 would fit with the dates of others of their children.
Hi Debbie
This doesn't actually prove that my Mary m Humphrey was daughter of John Bowles and Mary Forty does it? Sorry for lack of clear thinking......
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Hi - no it doesn't prove it, however before the start of civil registration in 1837 often reasonable probability is the best you can have, sometimes you get lucky - such as if you could find a will for John Bowles which mentioned his married daughter Mary Moore. We know from the census that the likly year of birth for Mary is 1797, place Longcot, there is not a baptism for a Mary Bowles in that year but there is one a bit later and the entry infers that she was x yrs old - its a shame the x is not specified I am working from transcripts it might be worth getting someone to check the original if possible to see if they can work it out.
Sorry best I can do
Debbie
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Hi ...we have a bible that dates back to 1876 with lots of nash's in it , trying to trace it's rightful owners has we found it in a field in Lincolnshire.
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Hi ...we have a bible that dates back to 1876 with lots of nash's in it , trying to trace it's rightful owners has we found it in a field in Lincolnshire.
Hi thanks for that, though I don't think it would have belonged to any of my rels. Maybe start a new thread about it and post the names and dates in it?
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The Bible is from the area of aldermaston where most of the people mentioned in it are buried .
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The Bible is from the area of aldermaston where most of the people mentioned in it are buried .
There were a lot of Nashes around there but you would need to post the details for people to know whether they are connected
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Hi ...we have a bible that dates back to 1876 with lots of nash's in it , trying to trace it's rightful owners has we found it in a field in Lincolnshire.
If you actually want to find the owners rather than other relatives I guess it would be best to advertise in the local paper or shops?