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I'm looking for any census information on the Paddick family living in Pontypridd
I have the record from 1901 giving names:
William Paddick age 41
Jane T Paddick age 39
Thomas H Paddick age 14
William J Paddick age 9
Mildred E Paddick age 4
I would be most grateful if someone could give me:
the address of this family
the occupations of Jane & William
Both Jane & William are showing as having been born in Somerset so i would also be grateful if the 1891 could be checked to see if they were in Pontypridd at that time
Thank you
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Hi Danae,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Their address is 18 Metexa Street at Ystradyfodwg.
William is a Coal Hewer below ground.
Will have a look at 1891 now.
Tanja :)
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I'm interested to know as I can only find a birth record for a william paddick born in 1849.....did people lie about their ages on the census???
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As expected - their son Thomas was born in Glamorgan - they are already in Wales in 1891:
RG12/4424 20 35
Ystradyfodwg Middle
3 Hoddenotts Row
(2 rooms occupied)
William Paddick, head, 30, Collier, b. Somerset Long Sutton
Jane, wife, 29, b. Somerset Stathe?
Thos H, son, 4, scholar, b. Glam Treorky
English spoken for everyody.
And - yes, ages are often inaccurate on census returns. However more than 10 years out is a little much, I'd say. Have you checked the complete index, or are you just relying on FreeBMD?
William in 1881, already in Wales:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881wales&indiv=try&h=5534300
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I was relying on Free BMD - is that not accurate enough?
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FreeBMD is not complete! Check out the coverage charts here:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/progress.shtm
The nearest match I can see in 1871 and 1861 is a William Paddock born Stoke St Gregory (and genuki tells me that Stoke St Gregory includes Stathe, which is the birthplace he names in 1901):
1871
RG10/2369 66 7 & 8
Stoke St Gregory, Somerset
Burrow Road
John Paddock, head, 55, Labourer, b. Isle Abbotts
Elizabeth, wife, 46, Labourer, b. North Curry
George, son, 16, Labourer, b. Stoke St Gregory
William, son, 11, Labouring boy, b. do.
Mary Ann, dau, 7, scholar, b. do.
John Thos, son, 3, scholar, b. do.
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Many thanks for your help. I'll have atrawl through the full index
Was it common for there to be subtle changes in name spellings?
Regards
Danae
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The complete index is free to search here:
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx
(choose Complete BMD Index ranges & Images 1837-1983)
Changes in name spellings - yes, they happen. Tracing John and Elizabeth back, I see they are clearly Paddick in 1851 (but Paddock on the others). I think John also marries as Paddick in 1850.
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No William Paddicks born between 1859 and 1861 but I do have a William Paddock born Q4 of 1859 registered in Taunton Somerset.
Do you think I'm safe in assuming that's him?
regards
Danae
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I'm told assuming is never safe ;D
I do think he looks good, but I also think you need proof. Unfortunately, I can't see William's marriage to Jane (the cert would tell you his father's name and occupation). Do you happen to know her maiden name, by any chance?
Interestingly, when you do a search for John Paddick on www.familysearch.org , they show Paddick/Paddock/Paddgogg etc. variants (unfortunately, I can't see yours however)
Searching again, I must say I can't see any other possible match...
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Intriguing that I can't find the marriage. I see Thomas H was born a Paddick (birth registered in Dec 1886 Pontypridd). I can see a marriage in Pontypridd 1884 for a William Paddick, but the possible spouses are Eliza Pengellie or Mary Charlotte Philips.
I also see a marriage, Taunton 1890, for William Paddick to possibly Jane Towning (and there is a Jane Towning born Long Sutton Somerset ca. 1862 on the 1871 and 1881 census).
Now I'm wondering whether this is a 2nd marriage, perhaps... There is an Eliza Pengelly at Ystradyfodwg in 1871 and 1881, born ca. 1863, and an Eliza Paddick dying in Dec 1888 age 25, but her death is registered in Pontypool registration district :-\
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I've looked at the death record for Eliza Paddick - although the search gives Pontypool the actual record says Pontypridd!!
That would make Eliza the mother of Thomas Henry Paddick born 1887and Jane the mother of William J Paddick, born 1892, Henry Paddick born & died 1894 & Mildred Paddick born 1897.
The dates all fit!
I'm trying to link these Paddicks to James Isaac Paddick born in 1913 - my husbands grandfather. His mothers maiden name was Cross.
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The death record for Eliza Paddick is immediately followed by Ernest Albert Paddick aged 0
I wonder if she died in childbirth
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DOH!! I didn't even check the original, when I so badly wanted it to be Pontypridd!! :P :P
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The only Paddick/Cross marriage that I can see at first is
William John Paddick / Harriet Cross, June 1894 Taunton 5c 572
but I can't see the couple in 1901 :-\
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I saw that one too but it doesn't tie in.
William J Paddick, son of William Paddick was born in 1891 so it can't be him
His father William Paddick was married to Jane at that time so it can't be him either (i hope!!!)
I suppose there's a possibility that Ms Cross had been married before she married a Paddick so although her maiden name is shown as Cross she could have been something else when she married Mr. Paddick
The son James Isaac Paddick was born in 1913 - seems a bit of a long time after the 1894 marriage...could squeeze another generation in there.
I think I might have to get James' birth certificate to help on this one.
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So what do you know about James Isaac's father for sure?
Looking at FreeBMD coverage for marriages, I see 1890-1910 is complete. There was an Arthur J Paddick mother's maiden name Cross born in Sep 1911 at Bridgend, and a few other children from 1901 on, in a sort of one-every-2-years pace that could suggest it is one and the same family producing children.
Yes, I agree, you'd need the birth cert ;D
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Perhaps a red herring but here goes ...
Given that we have found the 1894 marriage and that there aren't any deaths for William J or Martha Harriet between 1894 and 1901, I had a thorough look at the 1901 census ... and come up with this:
RG13/5043 12 16
Bettws, Glamorgan (Bridgend registration district)
Moelgula Fach
William J Parrey, head, 27, Colliery Labourer underground, b. Hatch Parish Somerset
Harriet, wife, 28, b. Somerset Golden Hill
William T, son, 5, b. Somerset Taunton
Mary Annie, dau, 1, b. Cardiff
Their neighbours are called Cross (Thomas age 30 from Somerset and family).
Now I can't see a matching birth registration for a Mary Annie Parrey or Parry in Cardiff, but there is a Mary Ann Paddick June 1899 Cardiff. There's also a William T Paddick registered in Taunton in Dec 1896 (but none called Parry or Parrey). I can't see a matching William Parr(e)y on previous census either.
So: Does anybody think Paddick could have be misunderstood as Parrey?
??? ??? ???
If so, then this could be a possible match for him in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=18473902
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How do you narrow down the months of birth?
For James Isaac Paddick I have the birth as third quarter 1913 registered in Bridgend Glamorgan GRO ref 11a 1999
If this was his family & Harriet was his mum she would have been about 39 when he was born.
I think Parrey for Paddick is feasible.
In the 1901 census a whole host of my Fardoe relatives are listed as Farden
I can't seem to find a birth record for a Harriet Cross in Somerset in 1874-6 though using Free BMD, I'll have a look through the complete registers
There do seem to have been Paddicks born in 1901, 1902, 1905, 1907, 1909 and 1911 in Bridgend...the 1911 census would be sooo useful at this point!!
Are there likely to be any baptism records anywhere?
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Sorry, I can't help with baptisms...
I don't narrow down the dates in fact - Sorry if I wasn't clear. When I say December, I mean the quarter ending December.
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1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=18455145
Seems Thomas born 1870 Wiveliscombe is her brother but he's at the Workhouse in 1881 :(
Here's probably the same family in 1871:
RG10/2358 38 26
Wiveliscombe - Church Street
Thomas Cross, head, 59, Labourer, b. Wiveliscombe
Jane, wife, 25, Labourer, b. Somerton
Jas, son, 16, Labourer, b. Wiveliscombe
Mary Ann, dau, 5, scholar
Thomas, son, 2, b. do.
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Thanks, that makes it clearer
I've found Harriet cross on the 1881 census living at Golden Hill
with brother thomas age 1 and mother Jane who seems to now be 40 when she should only be 35!
How do i paste the link, when I try the copyright box pops up and wont let me
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I've now found a Harriet Cross born in Somerset in 1871 (presumable after the census was taken)
2nd quarter 1871 registered in Wellington, Somerset - which is close to taunton etc
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Isn't it the link that already inserted above? The brother is called William however (and is 10 years younger than Thomas)
Anyway, the trick is to press ctrl+v instead of right mouseclick ;)
Yes, I think the one in Welligton looks good. (Same registration district as where the family is in 1871). However it would be good to get James Isaac's birth cert to prove all this. :P
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I shall order it today! :)
Thanks for all your help with this. I'll come back and let you know the names on the certificate
Yours gratefully
Danae
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Just in case it turns out right...
William J Paddick is still with his parents in 1891 at Thurlbear, but is away in 1901.
Harriet is a boarder at Taunton in 1891.
There is a death registered in March 1878 at Wellington Som for a Thomas Cross age 65.
I can see a possible marriage Thomas Cross/Jane Squires in Mar 1864 Wellington Som.
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I've just been told about James Isaac Paddick's marriage certificate.
It lists his father as William John Paddick, occupation Miner
His daughter (who never saw him after she reached the age of 11) seems to remember that he came from a family of 9 which ties in nicely with the Bridgend Paddicks & also remembers an uncle Walter & one of the Bridgend Paddicks was Walter Thomas Paddick.
Hopefully the birth certificate will confirm the mother as harriet Cross. :-)
Thanks again for all your help on this - I find it all fascinating!!
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I find it all fascinating!!
So do I! Can't wait for the cert to arrive!
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Online baptisms for Stoke St Gregory, had a quick check and it seems the name William was baptised was Paddich, it seems it has the children of John Thos as well, may have missed some only checked quickly.
http://www.thefamilyhistorypages.co.uk/stoke_St_Gregory.html
Cas
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Many thanks for the link. I'll have to have a good read through
regards
Danae
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James Isaac Paddick's birth certificate turned up today.
DOB 15/08/1913
Son of William John Paddick (Coal miner) and Harriet Paddick formerly Cross (Hurrah!)
Smiles all round
Thanks for all your help
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8) 8) 8) How great is that!
Are we trying to trace them further back now? Give me a shout if you need look-ups. :D