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According to the 1901 census
RG13 Piece 4986 Folio 148 Page 9
Alfred Henry Sutton aged 21 was living in Cardiff. :)
His family all lived in Bath before moving to Cardiff :)
I have found out that Alfred Henry Sutton married a Mary Fry OR Pauline Barth in Cardiff :-\
1 quarter 1901 Cardiff 11a 464
Can anyone say if this is the same Alfred or not ??? and who did he marry ???
Muffin41
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I dont think they can be the same guy.
The 1901 census was taken 31 March , so the chap on the census was single as at that date.
But if the marriage was registered in the first quarter it must have been prior between 1 Jan and 31 March
If you can find the married Alfred in 1901 it should have him with a wife either Mary or Pauline - unless of course they were away on honeymoon and missed the census!!!!
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Just noticed you didnt actually say he was single on the census, but I presume so - or the question wouldnt arise!
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I know that one of his sisters Maud Eleanor married in 1899 - Cardiff 11a 646 - Francis Leman Fisher. BUT she was still stated to be living with her parents. ::)
I have found that a census sometimes had a person living or working at two different addresses. ;) So maybe Alfred lived somewhere else in Cardiff ??? ???
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Hi,
On the 1901 Wales census RG 13/4984 167/44 Cardiff
23 Chancery Lane
Alfred H Sutton head 21 Masons Labourer Somerset, Bath
Mary " wife 19 Glam., Cardiff
In the same house is a family comprised of Frys and Suttons, so probably Mary Fry.
Best wishes
Cathy
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Thanks Cathy, can you say if Maud and Francis Fisher still lived in Cardiff in 1901. ???
I have not looked into this possibility :-[
Muffin
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Help :)
Can someone give me details of the 1901 census RG13/4984 167/44 Cardiff which Cathy mentioned ???
Thanks in advance, Muffin :D
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Hi Muffin, I posted the 1901 for you yesterday, I have rechecked and all details are as posted, all there, all single.
When I rechecked, on previous page at same address 42 Albert Street, same address as parents 1901
John Rogers 24, hd, m, family gardner, cardiff, Glam
Louisa Rogers, 23, wife, somerset
Lily Dau 5 cardiff
Alice, 3, dau, cardiff
Marriages Sep 1896
Sutton Louisa Cardiff 11a 436
ROGERS John Cardiff 11a 436
So it seems that Louisa is down twice at same address. It could be that parents included them as always, or perhaps were losing it a bit. Or enumerator did not know his job...
It seems the three were married and are recorded twice in the 1901. Once with parents as single, the other with married partners. ???
Maud is with husband Francis Fisher 1901
RG13 Piece: 4977 Folio 64 Page 2
22 Lillenny? Street, Cardiff
Francis L Fisher 20 dock lab, Alridge Lane (N26)
Maud E Fisher 19 wife, Bath, Somerset
Francis H Fisher 1 son Cardiff
Maud E Fisher dau, 9 months Cardiff
Cas
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Thanks Cas, I got lost as well with my various requests for information regarding the Sutton Family. :o
I think that I have it all now. ;D
Muffin41 :)
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1901 - RG13 Piece 4984 Folio 167 Page 44
Civil Parish: Canton - address as above
Mary Ann Fry 56 hd charwoman somerset
John Rogers 23 son, m, garden & domestic, Cardiff
Kate Rogers 21 dau s, gen servant, Cardiff
Polly Sutton m dau,19 cardiff
James Fry 17 son, cardiff
Alfred Sutton 21 son in law, mason lab, Bath, Somerset
Same household but....
Alfred H Sutton hd, mason lab, Bath, Somerset
Mary Sutton, wife, 19, cardiff
Seems Alfred is down twice ??? ??? Possibly Polly/Mary are the same?
Too confuse matters further, is John Rogers above the same husband of Louisa?
Cas
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It looks as if the Sutton family is down twice in the Cardiff 1901 census. ::) It doesn´t help much when one is searching for certain persons.
I have found a John Rodgers born in 1875 2 quarter 1875 Cardiff 11a 258
This could be the right one ;D OR not ???
Now we have - from you last 2 posts - John age 23, John age 24 AND my fund, John age 25. Shall we toss a coin ??? ;D
Muffin
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Guess the only way you will know is to get Louisa marriage cert. Tried to check back, looks like Mary Ann married had 2 children by ? Rogers, then married James Fry and had 2nd two.
1881 - RG11 Piece 5282 Folio 45 Page 38
Street address: 33 Edward St, Llandaff, cardiff
James Fry 56 hd, m, plasterer, Mamesbury, wilts
Mary Ann Fry 33 , Somerset
John Rogers 5 son, whitchurch, glam
Elizabeth Ann Rogers 1 canton, glam, (this is poss Kate)
1891 they are all Fry
Civil Parish: Canton
Mary Ann Fry 45 wid charwoman, somerset
John Fry 16 son lab, cardiff
Elizabeth Ann Fry 12
Mary Fry 10
James Fry 7
(no Polly, in my family this has been a pet name for Mary)
Think there is a good poss that they are one and the same, have never seen this on census before ???
Cas
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Thanks again for your help Cas. 8)
I will send all my certificate requests off and hope that I can fill in the gaps. :)
Muffin41
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Good Luck ;D
Cas
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Hi Cas,
Have been "digging up the internet sites" ;D and believe that RG14 Piece 4984 Folio 167 Page 44 is correct and that both families entered the details in the census. :D
Will have to wait and see what the certificates bring up. ;)
In the meantime can you help with more James Fry family details in the 1881 census and maybe the 1871 census ??? Maybe that would give me a clue :-\ ::)
Muffin
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Have completed details for 1881 above, will check to see if I can find James Fry in 1871, but don't think they married till mid census
1871 Wales - James Fry, with first wife
RG10 Piece 5365 Folio 27 Page 52
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1861 Wales - James Fry, with first family
RG9 Piece 4031 Folio 80 Page 11
Cas
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Marriages Sep 1879
Fry James Cardiff 11a 329
ROGERS Mary Ann Cardiff 11a 329
Have posted info above. Think you are in Somerset or Wilts for 1851 for him.
If you need any more, let me know.
Cas
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Hi Both i admire the way you have sorted this. I have been trying unsuccessfully to locate John Rogers prior to 1901 census
My Gran Annie Rogers was born 1903 21 Lionel st. her parents were Louise Emma Sutton and john Rogers. Her siblings lily Maud 1896 , Alice Louisa 1898,
john h w 1912 Louisa Emma 1914 (Cecilia and May also but cannot find evidence). Family rumour has it that Cecilia and May died from TB and Young John died when fell off ladder
I remember Louisa Emma was called auntie Louie and lived all her life at 86 Ethel st (she married an Andrew Walsh). She died 1997 My Gran married Edward George Ridout from Railway St
Talf
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Hello talf, a very warm welcome to Rootschat :)
Glad it was of help to you.
I am sure that Muffin will be delighted that you have made contact, there is a thread on the Somerset board that traces the Sutton family, but I am sure Muffin will fill you in with what details she has.
best wishes
Cas
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Hello taff, thanks for the info about the Rogers family. :D
Henry James Sutton married Elizabeth Pow in 1877, their daughter Louisa married John Rogers about 1895, as Lily was born in 1896 I would say 1895. Not as yet confirmed. :)
Have a look at the Sutton Thread on the Somerset board for the info that I have for the Sutton family. :D
Muffin41