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Greetings again,
I have a marriage - William Jenkins and Hannah Williams in 1824. Do records of this time give parents names, or birth place?
William's parents were William and Mary, but I need to find Mary's maiden name.
I don't have any names for Hannah. Rees and Catherine maybe?
Also, could someone look at census for years mentioned, please?
Children were Jenkin, Rees, Mary, Catherine, David.
David was supposedly born in LLangiwg.
Any help would be greatfully appreciated.
Jamjar
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Do you have any birthdates or census for above?
The Glam Marriage Index up to 1837 only gives couples names and parish living when married, no other info. Cannot locate the above 1824 marriage for names mentioned. Possibly the index is not complete.
Cas
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That's a shame. How can I find out who Hanna's parent were then? Also, Mary's maiden name?
William, father, was 45 children 15, 13, 11, 7, 4 Mother, I have no idea.
Thanks for your reply.
Jamjar
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Hi Jamar,
Glamorgan Records Office would maybe be your answer, but you will need to know where to start to look for parish records, possibly here?
Anglican Parish Registers Held at the Glamorgan Record Office, Cardiff for Llangiwg
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llangiwg/
Can you give me a clue to what year William was 45, and can you put names to childrens' ages, also what area are we looking? Any further info helps narrow to find your people.
There are many Jenkin/Jenkins families with names of above ???
Cas :)
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Hi there,
The childrens names are in my first posting. The ages in the last posting are in the same order.
William was 45 in 1841. Have just checked his death cert and he was in Australia at the time of the 1851 census.
I imagine the area is that which David was born in. The eldest son Jenkin was married in Neath in 1846.
I am also looking for the possible death of Hannah between 1837 and 1852.
Regards,
Jamjar
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Hi Jamar,
Not having much luck with locating this family together in 1841. I have found a Jenkin Jenkin around the right age living in Water Street, Neath. There does not seem to be any family with him. no occ given, no knowing if he is yours ???
Is it possible the family left before the 1841?
You can search BMD here for death of Hannah
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Good luck
Cas
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Hi,
They were farmers, so I'd say they'd be on a farm in Glamorganshire.
They were still there, as Jenkin was married there in 1849.
The site you gave me does not seem to give any personal information, so one can't know which is their's.
Regards, Janice
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I have searched every variation I know within the surrounding areas, and cannot find them together in 1841 ??? Perhaps others will have more luck, but it is doubtful.
The BMD site gives the GRO ref numbers, you have to purchase the certs for additional info and hope it is correct.
Sorry but there is no other way I know :-\ I only wish....this can be a very expensive hobby.
Info can be found on the IGI/familysearch.org site but unless it is extracted from records, not submitted, the info cannot be trusted.
I have also included a link above for the area David was born.
The only other is Glamorgan Records Office which may charge for look ups if you cannot get there in person, you can google for email address.
Regards
Cas
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Hi there,
I checked out look ups on Ancestry.com. I put in all the names and ages and they were all there under Neath. You have to pay to view the actual entry, though.
Yes, it's expensive. I have all the certs for quite a few trees and I have purchased them from 5 countries. I still have 2 countries to go.
I'll be able to do it when I am over in the UK, I'm sure.
I do appreciate your help.
Jamjar
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Do you have a reference for that, I am quite willing to help, if I can give you the info I will.
There are many with the names you mention, within the Neath area, but I have found none of them together as a family, with names, ages matching in 1841.
I also have been doing this many years.
Cas
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Hi,
No I don't have a reference. I just put 1841 census into search and it came up with a gov. website which then led me to Ancestry.com. I put in names and Neath. The reason I think it may be Neath is because Jenkin was married there. However, I realise this may not be the case, as he could have been off working there.
I wasn't implying you couldn't do it. I meant that when I am in Wales I could physically go to the area and search the records.
I did my English side, and a friends, researching at St Catherine's House and I loved it. There is something magical about those large volumes of hand written information. We don't have anything like it here in Australia.
I also spent many hours at a local LDS centre over here. Lovely people in those centre.
I was serious when I said I appreciate your help.
Regards,
Jamjar
P.S. I just had an idea. The farm that all the Jenkins lived on, here in Australia, was called Vrowen Farm. Would there be one of the same name on the census?
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Hi Janice,
There is no way of doing a search for a farm name in 1841. the only census that has an address search is 1881.
Good luck in your quest.
Cas
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Greetings from Australia,
Have just received marriage cert for Jenkin Jenkins and Mary Morgan. Jenkin was a collier living at Tynywain at time of marriage. His father William's occupation is also listed as collier. I thought they were farmers, as they were here in Australia. Jenkin was married in 1849 age 23. William was 45 at the time.
Mary Morgan's father was Roger Morgan, also a collier.
There is a Joseph Morgan as a witness at the marriage.
Could this help with the 41 census?
Janice
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Hi Jamar,
I have found them, I think! all details match and it is the same area as future wife, but they are transcribed as Williams. Address Tynywain
Do you want details? I think this must be them!
Cas
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Hi Cas,
Yes, please, that would be great.
The Williams is going to throw a spoke in the proverbial wheel.
Janice
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1841 - HO107/1419/9 Folio 3 Page 1
Reg district Neath
Sub-reg Ystradgunlais
Civil Parish - Llanguich Hundred - Llangafelach
All born in County, ages rounded down to nearest 5 after 15
Address on census Ty-yn-y-wain
All down as Williams, but this could be an enumerator error
William 35 collier
Hannah 40
Jenkin 15 collier
Rees 13
Mary 11
Catherine 7
David 4
Do you want me to check for the brides family?
Cas
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How exciting, thank you very much. I agree that it is them.
Yes, I would appreciate knowing about Mary's family.
I can't quite understand the residence for Mary. It is something like Caedee Definately begins with a C.
If they were there in 41, I bet Hannah died there. William re-married in 1952. I think he married here.
Are you able to see if they were in the same place in '51?
Thanks, yet again.
Janice
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Cannot easily locate in 1851, William or Jenkin. Did you not say that William was in Australia before the 1851?
Will check for Roger Morgan...
Cas
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HO107/1419/11 Folio 5 Page 2
Reg dist: Neath
Sub-reg Ystradgunlais
Civil Parish Llanguich
All Morgan, all in county. Address Pontyga**a?
Roger Morgan, 33, farmer
Mary 30
Mary 13
Hannah 7
Anne 6
Evan 2
Cas
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1851 - HO107 Piece 2464 Folio 244 Page 7
Address Caedu, Civil Parish Llanguick
Roger Morgans 49, hd, m, collier Llanguick, Glam
Mary Morgans 46 wife, Llangafelach, Glam
Evan Morgans 11 son, Llanguick
Magdalen Morgans 9, dau, Llanguick
Gwenllian Morgans 7, dau, Llanguick
Thomas Morgans 3 son, Llanguick
Cas
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Marriage of Roger Morgan to Mary William 29 July 1826, Llangiwg.
Cas
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Hey, you're too quick!
Yes, I think it is interesting that William Jenkins married Hannah Williams in 1824. A coincidence? Hannah and Mary sisters?
Janice
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No way of knowing online...need to check parish info, but with names like William/s can be difficult to pinpoint.
Hope this has helped Jamar, we got the 'Jenkins/Williams' in the end :)
Cas
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Yes, thanks to you.
It has narrowed down what I need to look for when I get to Wales.
I have been in touch with new found relatives here and they have said they have been to Wales and not found anything. None seem to have the information you have given me, though.
A book has been written on the Jenkins in Victoria. My branch is in it. I haven't seen it. The author contacted me, though. He said he'd get back to me, but hasn't yet.
One can only hope to find more. It is Hannah I want to find. I did a search on the free site you gave me a link for. Two Hannahs came up, deceased in Neath, between '42 and '50. It will be worth applying for the certs.
You're a star! ;)
Janice
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Hi Janice, checked the familysearch.org site
Found an Ancestral file for Roger Morgan, that seem to fit your man. This has been submitted so needs verifying. Click on parent names and it takes you back a few generations. Also did a parent search of Roger/Mary there is info there on their children.
Also, you may know, that there are baptisms for Cathrine, Mary and David Jenkins, did a parent search for William/Hannah and Wm/Hannah Jenkins.
There is also submitted info for Catherine that gives her death, and marriage in Victoria. looks like someone who has been researching has submitted this info on her.
If you have probs finding them let me know.
Cas
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As there is so much info on Roger Morgan and family thought I would post the rest of census to help you possibilities with BMD for this family.
1861 - RG9 Piece 4090 Folio 29 Page 8
Civil Parish or Township Llanguick Address - Pant
All born Llanguick Glamorgan (Llangiwg)
Roger Morgan 58 hd, m, farmer of 40 acres employing one lab
Mary Morgan 56 wife
Magdalen Morgan 19 dau
Evan Morgan 21 son
Cas
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1871 - RG10 Piece 5435 Folio 29 Page 33
Civil Parish: Llanguicke Town: Mawr Address Pontardawe
Roger Morgan 68 hd, m, collier, Llanguicke
Mary Morgan 66 wife, Llangyfelach
Thomas Morgan 23 son, unmar, collier Llanguicke
Cannot locate in 1881. BMD for family FreeBMD.
In 1881 seems Magdelan married Isaac Morgan as there is a son named after her father. With marriages on Freebmd if you click on page number it will give you a list of poss spouses.
Good luck, Janice, hope you have an enjoyable and productive visit to Wales.
best wishes
Cas :)
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Greetings again,
I know that the William on the '41 census, had parents William and Mary. If William was born in 1804 then his parents could still be alive in '41, yes?
On William's death cert his father was a farmer.
Could his parents be in the same area and on the census?
William was born in Llangiwg. Do you know of any way of checking births, online, for this period. I would like to know Mary's maiden name. On William's death cert it says unknown.
Regards, Janice
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Hi Jamar
I cannot easily locate William/Mary in the area.
Ancestry.com has three day free access 1-3 Nov this is the american site but you can access the UK databases from there. Check the common room board.
Thought perhaps you may like to search the pages of Llanguiwg parish 1841 census to see if you can locate, also you could save all census info/images I have given you for your files.
Cas
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Hi there,
I am on the Ancestry site.
Thanks for the direction. Am still looking! I have found some info on another branch.
Jamjar
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