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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: sbduk2 on Monday 27 November 06 13:01 GMT (UK)
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hi everyone i have a friend who is trying to find any info about a alice ann fletcher. info below. if any one can help please let us know its very inportant to the family. thanks for all your help.
my ALICE fletcher was born in salisbury in1889 she brought up a child called stella who is now 86yrs alice married george billen and my aunt stella ( by marriage)always believed them to be her natural parents. stella tried to get a birth cert. not long ago and there is no trace of her being registered under that name .after some reserch it became obvious these were not her parents. she is now frail and worried as to her natural parentage we do not know of any living relatives to ask and we are now clutching at straws. because of stellas age things are now urgent stella married a paratrooper and has now lived in sheffield for manny years she brought her mother up to sheffield and looked after her until she died sadly she took many secrets to the grave with her
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Hi sbduk2
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
You may already have searched these avenues:
When did Alice Ann FLETCHER marry George BILLEN - do you gave their marriage record (was Alice a spinster?)
Where does Aunt Stella believe she was born and in what month and year?
Under what surnames have you searched for her birth? Does she have any middle names?
Cheers
AMBLY
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stellas given d.o.b. is 14/07/1920. but they doubt its right. im waiting for more info from them. thanks for your interest. the name she thought she was is stella billen
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i have been in contact with friend and have this additional information, hope it helps you all.
Alice Fletcher married George Billen23/9/1916. Alice was a widow and her previous husband was named Dyer.Aunt Stella believes she was born in Salisbury 14/07/1920.When Stella applied for a birth cert.searches were made by the central office of b.m.d.She eventually had to go to a solicitor and swear on oath that to the information she believed from childhood was correct and she now has an official letter signed and stamped by the solicitor as an official record but no birth cert. can be issued I have also rearched records under the name of Fletcher and Dyer going 5 years either side of her d.o.b. Stella Alice Billen was known to her as her name I cannot thank you enough for your interest and help, stella married herself 1947 To Harry they had no children Kind Reguards Norma.
thank you all.
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Would it be helpful to approach the education department in the area where Stella started school?
I know that in some places school records can be used to ascertain age for pension entitlement.
Beth
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Hi Sbduk2, Have you considered that Stella could have been a daughter of Alices seven brothers and sisters. They were all born within two years of each other, so would all possibly have been getting married and having children around about the same time period as each other.......... :-\ just a thought.
cheryle.f
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how do you know which are alices seven brothers ans sisters. i have looked on the census and there are a few familys from that area with a alice how do you know which is the right one. help. ???
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:) Hi....l found Alice age 3 born Box Wiltshire living with Parents and siblings in 1891....here hoping from the names Stella may recognise some of the info. I worked with the Salisbury connection and found that even though Alice seems to marry Herbert Dyer in London in 1909(maybe working as servant) she comes back to Salisbury to marry George Billen. The only other Alice A Fletcher born similar birth year is born in Lancs and residing in Lancs in 1891 and another 1889 birth is Alice Mary from Swindon. The only other two are 1881 and 1883 births so little too early?
1891 Corsham Wilts
Frank Fletcher Head M 30 Platelayer GWR Hemmington Somerset
Emma Fletcher Wife M 30 Wellington Somerset
Frank Fletcher son 4 Box Wiltshire
Alice Fletcher dau 3 '' ''
George Fletcher dau 1 '' ''
and then found the same family in the 1901 and found all births consistant with Chippenham (registration District) for all children in this family
1901 Priory Road Chippenham RG13 /1918
Frank Fletcher Head M 39 Railway Worker Somerset
Emma Fletcher Wife M 39 ''
Frank Fletcher son 15 Box
Alice Fletcher dau 13 ''
George Fletcher son 11 ''
William Fletcher son 9 ''
Lena Fletcher dau 7 ''
John Henry son 5 ''
Annie Arene? dau 3 ''
Walter Charles Fletcher son 1 ''
and here they all are....
Frank Fletcher Chippenham Sep Q 1886 5a 59
Alice Fletcher Chippenham A/M/J 1888 5a 61
George Fletcher Chippenham Mar Q 1890 5a 69
William Fletcher Chippenham J/F/M 1892 5a 74
Lena Fletcher Chippenham J/F/M 1894 5a 65
John Henry Fletcher Chippenham J/A/S 1895 5a 69
Annie Irene Fletcher Chippenham J/A/S 1897 5a 63
Walter Charles Fletcher Chippenham Sep 1899 5a 69
if this is familiar to Stella(and i hope it is the right family) :) I also have marriage details if you do not have already. As you already looked under Fletcher surname for birth of Stella and didnt find one maybe the 2 sisters married and Stella was born in one of those names ? It is a real longshot but you never know, otherwise it could be just a straight case of an adoption, which is horrible for Stella as you said earlier because all word of mouth info has now been lost :(
Let me know how you get on with this info and if l can help some more l will
very best wishes cheryle.f
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ah cheryle. if alice is the one you found born chippingham.
who is this one.
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now with people i have found in the past they dont put their right birth dates down some are way out. could this be the case with our alice. i have asked norma to find out if they have alices birth cert. so we can get her parents names. will have to wait and see. apart from that we will keep looking as time is running out for this lady. thank you for all your help any thing is better than nothing for the family. any help at all. so if you wanna keep looking please do. more the better. we might get it right that way. thanks to you all.
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and cheryle. yes please to your help. i didnt mean your info was wrong. i meant i always get things wrong. like the way i put things down in writing. two heads are better than one is the saying, but i think with my head you might as well forget it. he he/ ;D. once again thank you all for your help.
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:) Hi again....if this was mine l would now be inclined to gamble 7 pounds and apply for Alice and George Billens marriage cert. At least that way you will know who Alices father was and which leads you will need to follow.
regards cheryle.f :)
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oh im glad you still with me on this. thanks. :). i have been forwarding all messages to norma and told her of this site. hope she is looking in. and will soon answer some of these questions. the waiting around is killing me. cant think what to do next or where to look. but thanks for your help. ;D
from sue.
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:) Hi Sue, Just incase you didnt have this info already......
This is the only Alice Fletcher l could find marrying a Dyer....
Herbert James Dyer and Alice Fletcher J/A/S Paddington London1909
1a 119
(maybe there is some conflicting details on this certificate to the 1916 marriage?)which could give some more clues
and
Herbert James Dyer born Richmond Surrey 1887 2a 273
I suppose Alices first husband could have died in the first world war?
regards cheryle :)
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:) Hi....l found Alice age 3 born Box Wiltshire living with Parents and siblings in 1891....here hoping from the names Stella may recognise some of the info. I worked with the Salisbury connection and found that even though Alice seems to marry Herbert Dyer in London in 1909(maybe working as servant) she comes back to Salisbury to marry George Billen. The only other Alice A Fletcher born similar birth year is born in Lancs and residing in Lancs in 1891 and another 1889 birth is Alice Mary from Swindon. The only other two are 1881 and 1883 births so little too early?
1891 Corsham Wilts
Frank Fletcher Head M 30 Platelayer GWR Hemmington Somerset
Emma Fletcher Wife M 30 Wellington Somerset
Frank Fletcher son 4 Box Wiltshire
Alice Fletcher dau 3 '' ''
George Fletcher dau 1 '' ''
and then found the same family in the 1901 and found all births consistant with Chippenham (registration District) for all children in this family
1901 Priory Road Chippenham RG13 /1918
Frank Fletcher Head M 39 Railway Worker Somerset
Emma Fletcher Wife M 39 ''
Frank Fletcher son 15 Box
Alice Fletcher dau 13 ''
George Fletcher son 11 ''
William Fletcher son 9 ''
Lena Fletcher dau 7 ''
John Henry son 5 ''
Annie Arene? dau 3 ''
Walter Charles Fletcher son 1 ''
and here they all are....
Frank Fletcher Chippenham Sep Q 1886 5a 59
Alice Fletcher Chippenham A/M/J 1888 5a 61
George Fletcher Chippenham Mar Q 1890 5a 69
William Fletcher Chippenham J/F/M 1892 5a 74
Lena Fletcher Chippenham J/F/M 1894 5a 65
John Henry Fletcher Chippenham J/A/S 1895 5a 69
Annie Irene Fletcher Chippenham J/A/S 1897 5a 63
Walter Charles Fletcher Chippenham Sep 1899 5a 69
if this is familiar to Stella(and i hope it is the right family) :) I also have marriage details if you do not have already. As you already looked under Fletcher surname for birth of Stella and didnt find one maybe the 2 sisters married and Stella was born in one of those names ? It is a real longshot but you never know, otherwise it could be just a straight case of an adoption, which is horrible for Stella as you said earlier because all word of mouth info has now been lost :(
Let me know how you get on with this info and if l can help some more l will
very best wishes cheryle.f
Hello, I'm Gwyneth (age 76) daughter of Walter Charles (Charlie Fletcher) these are the details I remember of the Flecher family of Corsham. Alice died at age 15 of appendicitis. Lena married a policeman and lived in Wales. Annie married Llew Williams and she became a jp for Corsham. Sidney and Victor were born after my father but I have no knowledge of a John, and if never heard of a Stella. Best wishes Gwyneth