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Title: Help to read Surname
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 04 January 07 00:57 GMT (UK)
Can anyone work out what the surname of Joseph Bauer's wife is please? I am really struggling to do so. ....dee   :-\   :-\   :-\
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: hepburn on Thursday 04 January 07 01:00 GMT (UK)
It looks like Donnella !! is there such a name :-\
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: PrueM on Thursday 04 January 07 01:02 GMT (UK)
Isabella ... LEOFFARD?

That can't be right...let me have another look!

Prue
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: PrueM on Thursday 04 January 07 01:03 GMT (UK)
Dee, what was the date of the marriage, and whereabouts?
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: KarenM on Thursday 04 January 07 01:14 GMT (UK)
Looks like Isabella Leoppard??  :-\

Karen
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 04 January 07 01:25 GMT (UK)
Prue and Karen - I have come up with both of those surnames.  ;D

Oonagh - Her given name was Isabella -  it is her surname that is so hard to decipher.

Prue - it is from a Victorian marriage certificate for my gg - grandfather Francois Bauer - it was his second marriage ; the first having been in Lambeth, England.

However, Joseph Bauer, his father  - was on the Census as being from France, and his son Francois Bauer dressed as a French Count to greet the guests who stayed at his Isle of Wight Hotel on Philip Island. So I am of the belief that Isabella may well have been French.......dee   :-\

Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: hepburn on Thursday 04 January 07 01:28 GMT (UK)
sorry Dee, I can see it now I have my specs on ;D ;D
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: hepburn on Thursday 04 January 07 01:29 GMT (UK)
Dee,
 would it be Leopold
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 04 January 07 01:35 GMT (UK)
Could well be Oonagh - shall add it to my list.   :)

Forgot to mention date of marriage Prue - it was 3rd Oct 1887 - but Francois was born back in 1827/28 and his mother Isabella died before 1841.......dee
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: hepburn on Thursday 04 January 07 01:38 GMT (UK)
Dee,
 there is a marriage 1858 Johan Bauer to Isabella Mariaranier Leffen Whitechapel 1c 603 are these your couple??
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: hepburn on Thursday 04 January 07 01:40 GMT (UK)
Oh sugar ,just read your post on Isabella dying before 1841 :-[  What about "Leffen" then.... :-X
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 04 January 07 01:42 GMT (UK)
I have tried those two middle letters as gg/ff/pp/ss/jj/ but nothing seems to work when I search other places using the resultant name, Oonagh - it really has me beat...... dee   ::)
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: hepburn on Thursday 04 January 07 01:44 GMT (UK)
Dee,
      what a conundrum,and I thought I'd cracked it,sorry :-\
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: JayneA on Thursday 04 January 07 10:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Dee,

Have you tried  LEOPPACO ?

Jayne
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: JayneA on Thursday 04 January 07 10:23 GMT (UK)
Or LEOPPOCO?
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 04 January 07 10:32 GMT (UK)
No Jayne - that's something different - on the list they go. Thanks! ........dee   :D
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: PrueM on Thursday 04 January 07 11:38 GMT (UK)
How about "LEOZZARD" - the nearest name to that that I can think of is "GOZZARD" or "GAZZARD".

Prue
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 05 January 07 06:14 GMT (UK)
Another added to my list, thanks Prue. I have been concentrating on names that look French as I suspect that Isabella was French. Joseph, her husband, was born in France according to the 1841 and 1851 Censuses, as well as family oral history. The nearest French name I have found so far is Lecossois - but I can't see that in the name on the certificate.........dee
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: yn9man on Monday 08 January 07 03:26 GMT (UK)
What about Laozzord, Laozzard, Laoppord or Laofford?

yn9man
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 08 January 07 09:06 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your suggestions, yn9man. I shall try those in a few places. .....dee
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: seahall on Monday 08 January 07 09:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Dee

Won't a death certificate give her maiden name?

Sandy

Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: seahall on Monday 08 January 07 09:54 GMT (UK)
Hi again Dee

How about this web link if you have not tried it.

http://genealogy.about.com/library/surnames/l/bl_name-LEFEBVRE.htm

Sandy
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: MaryA on Monday 08 January 07 09:59 GMT (UK)
It looks like a d at the end of the name to me, see that little tail coming up from the circle.  So something like Leo**ard.

Mary
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 08 January 07 10:00 GMT (UK)
Isabella died before Registration came in, unfortunately Sandy, and of course I don't know where.

Thanks for the website - I shall try that.

Will be in contact sometime - update you on things here........dee
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: seahall on Monday 08 January 07 10:02 GMT (UK)
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Will be in contact sometime - update you on things here........dee

Look foward to that Dee.

Keep hunting.

Sandy

Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 08 January 07 10:21 GMT (UK)
And I am sure it is an L at the beginning, Mary.......dee
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: Gadget on Monday 08 January 07 10:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Dee  :D :D :D

Just found this thread - Certainly Isabella and I think it's Leoppard, Leozzard or Leazzard.

I've known a few Lezzards, so could be a misspelling  :-\

Gadget
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 08 January 07 10:47 GMT (UK)
Thanks Gadget -I am trying out all the names in various places - sooner or later I might strike gold! ......dee    :)   :)   :)
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: chinakay on Tuesday 09 January 07 18:12 GMT (UK)
Léopard is a French name fwiw...the double p could be a variation or misspelling...

Cheers,
China
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 09 January 07 20:43 GMT (UK)
China, thanks for your suggestion - as I really suspect she was French, a variation in spelling on an Aussie certificate would be quite likely!

.........dee
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: Garethboxing on Tuesday 09 January 07 21:03 GMT (UK)
Could it be Leonard? Maybe that's an 'n' in the middle and we are being confused by a riser from the row beneath.

  Gareth
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: loo on Friday 19 January 07 18:13 GMT (UK)
I don't think it's a "p" because the "p" in Joseph is very different.  Nonetheless it could still be.
I don't think it's Leopold because I have culled detailed listings of Leopolds over the last couple of years, and have never found such a person yet.  In fact there are no Isabella bmds at all in England, as far as I know, except for a Marie Isabella LEOPOLD, who was born in 1925 and died in London in 1989 - probably her married name.
I have also spent untold bleary-eyed hours examining original listings with names that look like Leopold.  My best guess is that it's LEOFFORD, LEOFFARD, or LEOPPARD.  I'm pretty sure I've seen LEOFFOLD come up here and there, and LEOPARD is common.  A lot of people with similar names seem to have come from France, if they didn't come from Germany, including the LEOPOLDs who settled in Wales.  It's not unusual to find a name or spelling that only occurs once, when looking through these listings.
Sorry I can't be any more help.
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: shellyesq on Friday 19 January 07 18:36 GMT (UK)
At first glance, I thought it might be something like Leggard.  On second glance, I'm doubting it, but you never know.
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: yn9man on Saturday 20 January 07 05:46 GMT (UK)
Spent a few more minutes looking ... looks more and more like  Leozzard,  Leazzard, or Leozzord.

yn9man
Title: Re: Help to read Surname
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 20 January 07 09:16 GMT (UK)
It's fascinating seeing my list of possible names growing - and I am investigating them as far as I am able. If Isabella was from France, that is going to make the task even more difficult.

I really appreciate all the responses.

......dee