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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: stoney on Sunday 18 March 07 20:54 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Does the name Margaret Caldwell STEVENSON ring any bells?
She was my paternal Grandmother b. 05/08/1872, Govan.
Although I've managed to trace back to her grandparents John STEVENSON and Agnes WILLIAMSON m.1824, I can't find any reason why her parents should give her Caldwell as her middle name.
I'd be pleased to hear from anyone looking into STEVENSONS in the Govan area, anyway! ;)
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Hi Stoney,
Having a few problems between Margart Caldwell Stevenson parents to Grandparents I cannot get a John or Agnes Williamson. Do you have MC for them or some other certificates, because online it is not clear. here is what I have so far,
Thomas Stevenson & Margaret Beveridge married 17 Jul 1863 Hutchesontown, Glasgow
Violet Purdon Stevenson b 15 Sep 1864 Govan – died young?
John Stevenson b 25 Feb 1866 Govan
Agnes Stevenson b 10 Jan 1868 Govan
Violet Stevenson b 10 Sep 1869 Govan
Margaret Caldwell Stevenson b 05 Aug 1872 Govan
Thomas Stevenson b 24 Dec 1874 Gorbals
In 1881 census at 9 Garden Square Govan
Thomas Stevenson Coal Miner M 43 B West Plean, Stirling
Margaret Stevenson Wife F 37 Glasgow
John Stevenson Appr Baker M 14 Glasgow
Violet Stevenson Scholar F 11 Glasgow
Margaret Caldwell Stevenson scholar F 8 Glasgow 05 Aug 1872
Thomas Stevenson scholar M 6 Glasgow
Agnes Stevenson F 3 Glasgow
Isabella Stevenson F 8 months Glasgow
In 1871 census at Hosies Land, Govan
Thomas Stevenson Coal Miner M 32 St Magnus Stirling
Margaret Stevenson Wife F 27
John Stevenson M 4 Glasgow
Violet Stevenson F 1 Glasgow
In 1861 Census staying with brother, Alexander in 2 Alexander Row Govan
Thomas Coal Miner M 23 St Ninians, Stirlingshire unmarried.
Alexander Coal Miner M 25 St Ninians, Stirlingshire married
Tom
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Here's what I have so far:
Margaret Caldwell Stevenson b. 05/08/1872 d.14/06/1924
Her parents:
Margaret Beveridge b. 22/09/1843 d. 29/04/1902
and
Thomas Stevenson b.c.1837 d.05/12/1895 Death register gives his parents as:
John Stevenson b.? d.?
and
Agnes Williamson b.c.1799 d.25/10/1858
(Death registration for Agnes Williamson given as widow, using maiden surname, registered by her son Thomas Stevenson)
Parents of Margaret Beveridge:
John Beveridge b.05/11/1818 d.18 /08/1889
Violet Purdon Bap. 20/02/1820 d.18/11/1891
I can't get further back with the Stevenson/Williamson line, but have got further back with the Beveridge and Purdon lines a couple of generations, but no sign of the origins of "Caldwell"?
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Hi Stoney,
Seems to be a brickwall trying to prve Thomas Steveson parents, have you got the copy of marriage certificate to margaret beveridge to prove his parents. The records may be lost genuinely, but the MC could prove diferent names.
Tom
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Hi Stoney,
I have found a Thomas Stevenson who married Isabel Caldwell, 03 DEC 1825 Lochwinnoch, Renfrewshire. It is an extracted record on IGI, all we have to do is to tie the 2 Thomas Stevenson's together somehow.
Tom
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Hi Stoney,
I have found a Thomas Stevenson who married Isabel Caldwell, 03 DEC 1825 Lochwinnoch, Renfrewshire. It is an extracted record on IGI, all we have to do is to tie the 2 Thomas Stevenson's together somehow.
Tom
I wonder if this new Thomas Stevenson might be a sibling of John? His marriage is 1825, so that would roughly correspond to when I would assume John and Agnes married, making them of the same generation.
I have checked margaret beveridge and Thomas Stevenson's marriage details and confirmed John and Agnes as parents of Thomas.
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Hi Stoney;
Not sure if my Stevenson's are the ones you are looking for, but the Similarities are a little strange, This is what I have so far. Interesting to note that Robert was also a baker.
Wanda
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This looks like another brother to Thomas, with whom he seems to be living with in the 1851 Census (the index transcription is not great, not sure what the brother's name actually is). Everyone showing as born in St Ninians unless shown:
Paues Stevenson 25, coal miner, b. Fat??, Stirling
Margaret Stevenson 25, b. Sch??, Cackman
Agnes Stevenson 3
John Stevenson 1
Thomas Stevenson 14
Address: West Plean Camp, St Ninians
Regards.
Monica
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From Agnes's DC in 1858, what was the occupation of husband John Stevenson?
Regards.
Monica
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This looks like John and Agnes with family in 1841, everyone showing as born in the county apart from Agnes:
John 40, coal miner
Agnes 40
James 15, coal miner
Charles 13, coal miner
John 8
Alexander 6
Thomas 4
Robert 3 mnths
Margaret Stievenson, 40
Address: West Plenmare, St Ninians
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Stoney
I've just reread what you have on John and Agnes. Realised that you may not have seen the OPR entry for their marriage:
AGNES WILLIAMSON Marriages: Spouse: JOHN STEVENSON
Marriage: 08 MAY 1824 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
Monica :)
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John Stevenson must have died between 1841-49. Did Agnes's DC show her as remarried:
AGNES WILLIAMSON Marriages: Spouse: PETER WESTWATER
Marriage: JUL 1849 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
And Agnes in 1851 with a few of her Stevenson sons:
Peter Weatherton 55, collier, b. Westfield, Clackmannanshire
Agnes Wilson 52, b. Westfield, Clackmannanshire
Agnes Westwater 8, b. New Monkland
Alexander Stevenson 16, b. Saint Ninians, Stirlingshire
John Stevenson 18, b. Saint Ninians, Stirlingshire
Robert Stevenson 9, b. Saint Ninians, Stirlingshire
Address: Rawyards Cooks Back Land No 2, New Monkland, Lanarkshire
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Stoney
I've just reread what you have on John and Agnes. Realised that you may not have seen the OPR entry for their marriage:
AGNES WILLIAMSON Marriages: Spouse: JOHN STEVENSON
Marriage: 08 MAY 1824 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
Monica :)
Hi, M,
Thanks, I did have that information, just not to hand when I was writing the message! ;)
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From Agnes's DC in 1858, what was the occupation of husband John Stevenson?
Regards.
Monica
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This looks like John and Agnes with family in 1841, everyone showing as born in the county apart from Agnes:
John 40, coal miner
Agnes 40
James 15, coal miner
Charles 13, coal miner
John 8
Alexander 6
Thomas 4
Robert 3 mnths
Margaret Stievenson, 40
Address: West Plenmare, St Ninians
Hi,
Agnes was widowed at the time of her death in 25/Oct/1858, - she was registered (parish of Slamanan, Stirlingshire) in her maiden name of Williamson and noted as a widow, aged 58 . No indication of husband's name - her parents are given as Charles Williamson, collier, and Elizabeth Williamson (M.S. Beveridge); registered by son Thomas Stevenson.
;)
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Hi Stoney
There was a period in in the late 1850s when the name of someone's spouse wasn't always shown on their DC which can be a pain when you are looking to verify spouse(s) names. I would think that Agnes looks to have remarried. You have the likely OPR entry and the 1851 census with her children showing.
You seem to have another Beveridge line in your family, apart from Violet's husband :)
Still cannot see the link to the Caldwell name though....
Regards.
Monica
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Four children show to Charles and Isabel (variant of Elizabeth) Beveridge on the OPRs:
1 01/01/1804 WILLIAMSON ADAM Parents: CHARLES WILLIAMSON/ISABEL BEVERIDGE FR1176 M Tranent /EAST LOTHIAN 722/ 0050 0237
2 14/09/1794 WILLIAMSON ISABEL Parents: CHARLES WILLIAMSON/ISABEL BEVERIDGE FR828 F Duddingston EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 684/ 0030 0124
3 16/04/1809 WILLIAMSON MARION Parents: CHARLES WILLIAMSON/ISOBELL BEVERIDGE FR806 F Newton /MIDLOTHIAN 696/ 0030 0076
4 18/04/1790 WILLIAMSON MARY Parents: CHARLES WILLIAMSON/ISABEL BEVERIDGE F Dysart /FIFE 426/ 0040 0281
Submitted details for Charles on IGI have him born in Fife: About 1764 Of, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland and Isabel as 1768 the same place.
Regards.
Monica
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Monica - thanks for all your hard work!
I'm not sure about Agnes re-marrying - surely her husband would have registered her death rather than her son (unless hubby pre-deceased her, of course!) - but who knows!
I'll have another good lookthrough everything you've sent me, when my brain is more on an even keel..... :P
Thanks again!
Stoney
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Stoney
I think what we have found does indicate a second marriage for Agnes, and the clincher.....a death entry for Peter in Slamannan, hopefully it should show Agnes as his widow (or it might just be one of those that show 'married' like Agnes's with no spouse name):
1856 WESTWATER PETER RUSSELL M U SLAMANNAN /STIRLING 489/00 0035
Regards.
Monica :)
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Monica - well, well, I stand corrected! ;)
Typical - I've run out of credits on Scotland's People - I shall have to put some on later and have a look. Though probably, as you suggest, there may be no more information but I would suspect his spouse would be listed, don't you? It will be interesting to see who registered his death!
Thanks again! ;D
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Found an entry on the IGI for the death of a Peter Westwater, 1856 in Slamannan, giving two spouses:
Rachel Love, b. 01/Jul/1794, marriage 01/Oct/1821, St. Ninian's, Stirling
Agnes Wilson, b.1799, marriage c. 1842
Could this be confusing Agnes Wilson with Agnes Williamson?
???
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Are these submitted details on IGI? You have the OPR of the marriage with Agnes as Williamson in 1849. Maybe whoever has submitted this info has worked from the 1851 Census where Agnes is wrongly entered as Wilson:
AGNES WILLIAMSON Marriages: Spouse: PETER WESTWATER
Marriage: JUL 1849 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
And Agnes in 1851 with a few of her Stevenson sons:
Peter Weatherton 55, collier, b. Westfield, Clackmannanshire
Agnes Wilson 52, b. Westfield, Clackmannanshire
Agnes Westwater 8, b. New Monkland
Alexander Stevenson 16, b. Saint Ninians, Stirlingshire
John Stevenson 18, b. Saint Ninians, Stirlingshire
Robert Stevenson 9, b. Saint Ninians, Stirlingshire
Address: Rawyards Cooks Back Land No 2, New Monkland, Lanarkshire
Regards.
Monica :)
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Monica - yes, it seems to be a submitted entry. Will try and check through again tomorrow - it's late, my brain is overloaded and I'm off to bed!
Thanks for your continuing interest in these perverse ancestors of mine! ;)
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Are these submitted details on IGI? You have the OPR of the marriage with Agnes as Williamson in 1849. Maybe whoever has submitted this info has worked from the 1851 Census where Agnes is wrongly entered as Wilson:
AGNES WILLIAMSON Marriages: Spouse: PETER WESTWATER
Marriage: JUL 1849 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
And Agnes in 1851 with a few of her Stevenson sons:
Peter Weatherton 55, collier, b. Westfield, Clackmannanshire
Agnes Wilson 52, b. Westfield, Clackmannanshire
Agnes Westwater 8, b. New Monkland
Alexander Stevenson 16, b. Saint Ninians, Stirlingshire
John Stevenson 18, b. Saint Ninians, Stirlingshire
Robert Stevenson 9, b. Saint Ninians, Stirlingshire
Address: Rawyards Cooks Back Land No 2, New Monkland, Lanarkshire
Regards.
Monica :)
Hi, Have just been checking through some details and this definitely looks like a mis-spelling of Wilson for Williamson, as the detials for Alexander, John and Robert all seem to tally exactly with what I had already! :)
All good stuff!! Thanks again!
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My original query was how the name "Caldwell" came to be used for Margaret Caldwell Stevenson - I believe this has now been resolved:
Margaret's Grandfather, John Stevenson, had a brother called Thomas who married one Isabel Caldwell. Isabel would have been margaret's Father's aunt.
A bit tenuous, I agree, but all the same - it makes some sort of sense!
Thankyou to all who have helped on this quest! ;)
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Stoney
Have you been able to verify Thomas as brother to John through some source?
Monica :)
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My great great granny's grandparents were John Stevenson (c.1800-c.1842) and Agnes Williamson (c.1799-1858). Their son John (1832-1891) was my great great granny's dad.