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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: Keesa on Thursday 29 March 07 12:02 BST (UK)
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Anyone with information about a Crakanthorp family c. late 1700's possibly from Colchester, Essex. Father Samuel Crakanthorp, mother Catherine Harvey.
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Keesa,
Have you looked at the Essex Record Office database? There's a least two references to Samuel.
Type the surname here.
http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/login.asp
Phil
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Hi Phil
Thanks for the lead - will follow up.
Jack
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Hi I see a few years ago you were trying to find info on Sam Crackenthorp from Colchester. I have a document here for a mortgage I think for this gentleman and his wife Catherine. It's in mint condition and dated 1785. It's about 5 pages all beautifully handwritten. I bought it from an antique centre as I live near Colchester and I thought it was lovely.
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Hello Miryam
I am tracing the Crakanthorpe family having recently discovered that I am descended from Samuel and Catherine. I should be very interested to see the mortgage document that you have if that is at all possible.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Oliver
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Miryam and Oliverhart
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Just type hello
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There's quite a lot about Crakanthorp/Crakanthorpe/Crakenthorp in TNA Discovery and Seax, particulary in Bocking and Colchester. These include two mortgages with Samual Crakanthorp of Colchester in 1791.
The wills from TNA can be downloaded for free if you are signed in (also free). Seax requires a subscription.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/advanced-search
https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk
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Thanks Vance
That's really helpful. Downloaded the files - very interesting!
Many thanks
Oliver
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Hi Oliver,
Are you the original poster, as you have a different name?
I have the actual mortgage deeds here if you wanted to see them. I just wanted to know if you have any connection to the original person who put the post out.
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Hello Miryam,
The original poster keesa has been notified of your reply by email, hopefully she will reply soon.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Miryam,
No I am not the first person. I am new to the chat. Fascinated to read that you have these documents. I would love to read them.
Let me know if there are any costs involved.
Kind regards
Oliver
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Hi Oliver, yes i am happy for you to see the documents. Especially if you are a descendant. I would rather they went to someone who is related to these people. It just feels they belong to descendants and not me. I just wonder why the original poster was interested. Was she in anyway connected to this family too. But she hasn't as yet got back to me. Someone has said they have emailed her. Maybe leave this a few days and if no response i will sort something out with you. Is that ok?
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Hi Miryam
No problem to wait a few days to see if keesa responds.
Thanks for getting back to me!
Oliver
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I am not related but have some info.
Samuel did not marry Catherine Harvey from what I can see.
Marriage;
12 Mar 1781, Holy Trinity, Colchester, Essex
Samuel CRACKANTHORP Bachelor of St Leonard Parish
Catherine SMYTH Spinster
Winesses Charlotte and Charles Smyth
Licence. Both signed. Seax D-P 323-1-3
(Source FreeREG)
Charles/Charlotte seem to be a married couple as there are Bapts Colchester to them 1780/1781/1784
Charles likely a Brother of Catherine as her and Samuel name a Son Charles.
Trish :)
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There's also a Marriage Licence bond and allegation of Samuel Crakanthorpe and Catharine Smythe in 1781.
https://www.essexarchivesonline.co.uk/result_details.aspx?ThisRecordsOffSet=1&id=1057644
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Thanks for that - yes nearly every other tree that I've found lists Catherine's surname as Harvey, but the evidence is quite clearly Smythe. Her eldest son was called Harvey, born in 1783.
What I am looking for are records of Catherine's daughter, also Catherine, who in 1806 married George Hart, a brewer from Norfolk, who settled and raised a family in Woodbridge, Suffolk, before moving to Earls Colne and Braintree.
Any leads most welcome!
Thanks
Oliver
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I suppose you've seen the will of Samuel Crakanthorp of Norwich, gent, in 1821? He mentions his daughter Catherine the wife of George Hart.
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Good find Vance Mead re Will.
It also mentions Daug Harriott who is a Spinster at the time.
This appears to be her Marriage;
15 Nov 1821, St Peter Hungate, Norwich, Norfolk
Harriet CRAKANTHORP to Samuel COLMAN
Bachelor/Spinster
Samuel of St Clement
(FreeREG)
They Bapt 4 children Norwich, one who I feel has been mistranscribed on FreeREG as Samuel Oakenthorp COLMAN
1851 in Wymondham, Norfolk;
Saml Colman 69 Engineer/Surveyor
Harriet Colman 60 born Essex, Colchester
They are living with 3 of their unm children.
Trish :)
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Thanks both for the tips. Yes the Will is interesting, mentioning George Hart, also son Harvey. His name crops up a lot on roads and bridges documents - I wonder was he also an engineer/surveyor like his brother in law Saml.
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In the brown box at the bottom of each RootsChat page is a link to surname interests - you could enter your Crakanthorp surname and then anyone coming along in the future can see who is researching. Might be helpful.
http://surname.rootschat.com/sit-surnames.php#top_data
Sandra
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Is this Samuel the son of Benjamin Crakanthorp of Bocking? In his will (PCC 1800) Benjamin mentions a son Samuel.
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Thanks Vance
Yes this is the same - Benjamin d1799. Samuel was the only offspring that I'm aware of, b 1751.
Can you please give me the reference to the Will as I have not come across it?
Many thank
Oliver
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That's available from TNA Discovery (PROB 11/1338/142):
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=crakanthorp&_cr=prob&_dss=range&_ro=any&_st=adv
His wife was Mary of Bocking (1794) and his uncle was Samuel of Bocking (1754).
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Brilliant - downloaded and decyphering!
Thanks.
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Yes Uncle Samuel 1675-1753
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I saw in Wikitree that they are descended from John Crakanthorp, rector of Foulmere, Cambs.
I just added some bio info from John Venn's Alumni Cantabrigienses:
CRAKINTHORP, JOHN. Adm. pens, at Trinity. Apr. 12, 1658. Matric. 1660; Scholar, 1661; B.A. 1661-2; M.A. 1665. R. of Foulmere, Cambs., 1667. Father of the next.
CRAKANTHORP, JOHN. Adm. sizar (age 16) at Sidney, June 6, 1689. 1st s. of John, above, R. of Foulmere, Cambs. B. there. School, Felsted. Matric. 1690; B.A. 1692-3; M.A. 1696. Ord. deacon (Norwich) June, 1696.
https://archive.org/details/alumnicantabrigipt1vol1univiala/page/410/mode/2up
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Thanks I didn't know that about John the younger.
Descended from Richard Crakenthorpe who was rector at Black Notley
https://books.google.ie/books?id=01UMAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=crakanthorpe+black+notley&source=bl&ots=jzQI4PnTG6&sig=ACfU3U0Kf3qOaxwHWETCOONOnhHZMLyuNw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi-heLrrfbmAhUEqXEKHYD8CM4Q6AEwCXoECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=crakanthorpe%20black%20notley&f=false
Richard is the family link to the Crakanthorpe's of Westmoreland - Shire Knights and Sheriffs.
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Samuel may have had a Sister?
If so he may be a witness to the Marriage of ELIZABETH Crakanthorp, Spinster to Benjamin WEDD 16 Jul 1776 Bocking
Benj of Fowlmer, Cambridgeshire
There is also a Marriage there 05 Nov 1782 for a BENJAMIN Crackanthorp Widower
(FreeREG)
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Thanks trish 1120
Yes it all gets a bit complicated with the Crakanthorps and Wedds. Elizabeth's mother, Mercy Sunter, was first married to Nathaniel Wedd before marrying her father Benjamin Crakanthorp. Elizabeth then married Benjamin Wedd, her first cousin. To further complicate things both familes replicate the same forenames, Benjamin, Samuel and Nathaniel over four generations - a Gordian knot!
I have the Crakanthorps pretty well documented back to about 1200 but I am trying to focus on George Hart, a brewer in Woodbridge who married Catherine Crakanthorp in 1806 in Norwich. Any idea how I can find out more about him?
Any leads very welcome!
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A very complicated Family!
I found the girls Catherine Mary and Sarah C Hart in 1851 but cant find them 1841 so far.
Catherine as you know is widowed 1851 Census
Appears to be them George/Catherine in 1841 in Earles Colne, Essex
George Hart 65 Independant, not born in County
Catherine Hart 55 born in County
Titus D Reynolds 35 Baptist Minister
A Tree has George dying 1849 but from GRO that George was age 1
There is one reg 1845 Halstead on FreeBMD but GRO doesnt seem to have it to confirm age.
A Mary Hart Muskett was a witness to the 1806 Marriage.
National Arcives has a Abstract of Will of Mary Hart Muskett of Newton Flotman, Norfolk June 11 1808.
findagrave has a Burial 1808 for a Mary Muskett 1808 Tivetshall, Norfolk birth c 1781
We need the age of George from his Death Reg or Burial!
Trish :)
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Thanks Trish - very helpful, esp your observation about Mary Hart Muskett. The Musketts are the key and I have spend a lot of time scoping out the family and their frequent intermarriages with the Harts. I have downloaded Mary’s will at TNA http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7238579 but it is difficult to decipher, but I have ascertained that she was the daughter of Ephraim Muskett who was a malster https://one-name.org/name_profile/muskett/. As Charles was a brewer ( and Catherine’s father a wine merchant) I assume they were not only related but associated in business together.
I have subscribed to One-Name and am waiting to read the study on the Musketts, which I trust will give more clarity to the Harts.
Following George back the line now looks like:
George Hart 1775 - 1849 m Catherine Crakanthorp
Death registered Eng & Walkes Civil Reg Death Index Oct 1849 Witham, Essex.
Charles Hart 1742 - 1814 m Mary Musket - 1768
Charles Hart 1726 - 1788 m Ann Elliot 1717 - 1749
George Hart 1705-1759 m Mary Piggott 1705 -
George Hart ? 1680 - 1759 m Ann ???
George Hart 1648 - ?1720 m?
Thomas Hart ??
Thanks so much for your insights - really helpful!
Oliver
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I am glad I could be a little help.
I must say I am very impressed with the thoroughness of your research.
All the best :)