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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: MonicaL on Thursday 05 April 07 10:28 BST (UK)
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:) Full house on the Scottish Censuses. Ancestry have now added 1881 and 1901 to their index databases.
Monica
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Thanks for the info, Monica. Now all those with Ancestry don't have to ask for SP look ups - or can at least help with look ups :D
I still like to see the originals though.
Gadget
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I'm finding when I search the later census on ancestry (definitely 1881 & I think 1871) it uses an OR search instead of AND if I don't have a surname.
e.g. I know my surname gets weird transcriptions so I search for William born 1861 Falkland & get every person born 1861 in Falkland. Makes it difficult to find someone without a surname.
Is it me or do others have this problem?
Trish
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Hi Trish :D
I take it you meant 1861 (not 1881) and 1871 ?
I do that quite a lot on the E & W census searches but haven't tried for Scotland - I'll go and have a play and see if it's just your invisibility that's causing it!
Gadget :)
Added - I get all the William's (whatever surname) born around the particular year
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That was quick - I did mean 1881 Scotland - I think it's on there - but knowing how I see things - maybe it's not ;D
thanks Gadget
I'm searching 1881 for the Dalziel family on the Shetland Is - Mother Helen/Ellen (a widow) would be about 65-67 but could have died. The youngest son was William born 1861. This was them in 1871
1871 Sandsting and Aithsting
Helen Dalziel head 55 Boot Buslders?? wife
Catherine 26
Joan 24
Lawrence 22
Robert 17
Christina 15
Thomas 12
William 10
Trish
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Ancestry strikes again!
Noticed on the TalkingScot site that people are commenting that Ancestry is calculating birth years for persons in the 1901 census from a wrong base date i.e. from 1891 instead of 1901!
I can't check because I'm not currently an Ancestry subscriber.
But it might be something worth watching out for ...
JAP
Edited solely to add emphasis
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I'm totally confused - just looked at 1901 Census & the ages relate to 1891 - which is right? - the age or the projected birth date? I assume its the age as this would be taken from the record, but its difficult then to use the index
Steve
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Steve,
Precisely!
Yet another Ancestry disaster.
The more people who contact Ancestry and advise them of the stuff-up (and/or complain about it), the sooner it's likely to be corrected - which will probably involve just a moment's work to change one date in one programmed algorithm which applies throughout!
JAP
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I'm searching 1881 for the Dalziel family on the Shetland Is - Mother Helen/Ellen (a widow) would be about 65-67 but could have died. The youngest son was William born 1861. This was them in 1871
1871 Sandsting and Aithsting
Helen Dalziel head 55 Boot Buslders?? wife
Catherine 26
Joan 24
Lawrence 22
Robert 17
Christina 15
Thomas 12
William 10
Trish
Hi Trish
I found that your Helen died in 1878, S & A. Mother's MN: Robertson
Ref - 009 page 16
Haven't done an 1881 check but the son's could have moved away and the daughters married :-\
Gadget
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Used free 3 days on Ancestry at the weekend and found mother-in-laws relatives in 1891 census. Glad to hear 1901 is now there and have posted a lookup request under Census to see if they can be found in 1901.
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Hi Trish
I found that your Helen died in 1878, S & A. Mother's MN: Robertson
Ref - 009 page 16
Haven't done an 1881 check but the son's could have moved away and the daughters married Undecided
Gadget
Many thanks Gadget - I thought that may be the case. One of the sons came to oz (he appears to have "jumped ship") which was why I was searching - perhaps there are more out here as well. Was the info from SP? Helen's maiden name was Jam(i)eson - I didn't have her mother's name - the baptism only gave her father.
I still think the 1881 search is "wonky" if you have no surname.
Trish
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It was on SP, Trish
i don't like the 1881 either, the search parameters are weird ???
Gadget
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Hi All,
Beware that all the estimated birth years have been calculated from 1891 not 1901.
Ho Hum
Tom
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Have just gotten a response from request for 1901 census information and all the ages are wrong- parents both listed as born c1853 (he was c1862 and she c1860), one son c1884 in 1901 (not listed in 1891) but I know that he was actually born c1894. Other two sons' ages also incorrect. It's nice to be able to find them in the 1901 census but can't rely on the ages.
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Hi Aghadownwy- just subtract 10 (or add depending on how you look at it) Maybe even the number you first thought of and multiply by any other number and, if in doubt, return to our old friend Scotland's People :)
Gadget ;D
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Yes, Gadget, I think you've found the formula that Ancestry is using to get ages in the census!
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And it's getting to me ::)
I'm sure you were Monica when I last looked :-\
Oh dear. I shall retreat to Scotland's People. It's still the best for Scotland ;D
Gadget
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Message for Trish251:
Much as I love the thought of somebody being a 'Boot Buslder', I suspect your Helen Dalziel was a Boat Builder's wife. ;D You're never far from the sea in Shetland.
Re. the 1881 census, the Local History section of the library here in Fife has the CDroms (or CD wrongs as my son used to call them!) of the 1881 census. Very handy and easy to use. Maybe folk could persuade their own libraries to do the same. Ours are very well used.
Trishmac
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Message for Trish251:
Much as I love the thought of somebody being a 'Boot Buslder', I suspect your Helen Dalziel was a Boat Builder's wife. ;D You're never far from the sea in Shetland.
Trishmac
Thanks Trishmac - I did try to make him into a Bootmaker but it just didn't fit. I was intending if needed, to pay for the image, so it is nice to have the translation without the expense :)
Looking at the map - I was thinking you are never too far from freezing in Shetland - it looks a long and cold distance from Australia
Trish
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I'm not sure if these come from the 1901 and 1881 Ancestry census indexes, or the other open censuses, but I've now seen examples of the place of birth shown as "Deaf & Dumb", and, the very latest, - "G&E" !!
ibi
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GordonD, on the following thread, seems to indicate that the age calculation problem for the 1901 census has been fixed:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,225529.msg1190948.html#msg1190948
JAP