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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: curiousfox on Thursday 05 April 07 16:46 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone,
My Great Great Grandmother, Ann Osmond, was described as being "of Gypsy Origins". This was on an entry for her marriage in 1835, in Uffington Berkshire.
I haven't been able to find a record for her baptism, so know nothing of her parents.
My Greatx2 Grandfather had family living in Dublin. I know they were Horse Breeders/Dealers. I have wondered whether Ann came over to England with them, when the family brought the Horses here to trade.
Any help or ideas appreciated.
Irene
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Hi curiousfox,
I am also researching the name Osmond.
Questions .. Was Osmond her maiden name ? or did she marry an
Osmond? .. Who did she marry ?
If you would like to click on "search rootschat" you will see that I have
several postings on the Osmond name.
Regards Rosemary*
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Hi Rosemary,
Ann married James Breakspear in December 1835, the marriage took place in Uffington Berkshire.
Thanks for your reply,
Irene
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Ann Osmond was also my great great grandmother; her son, Fred, married my great grandmother, Adelaide Boswell/Lewis, the daughter of Tommy Boswell/Lewis and Councelettie Smith; her other son, Jack, married one of Adelaide's sisters. Tryphena Breakspear, my grandmother, was Fred and Adelaide Breakspeare's first child.
I think I have some material going back from James Breakspear, if you are interested, but know little of Ann's family. They were, of course, all travellers.
Best regards, Anne.
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Hi Anne,
Thanks for your reply.
I didn't know that James and Ann Breakspear had a son named Frederick. Although i know it was a family name. My grandfather (Thomas) had a brother Frederick Fowler Breakspear.
I am descended from another of James and Anne's son, Thomas, he was baptised in February 1837 in Uffington.
Do you have Robert as the father of James Breakspear?
I love the name Tryphena, is it Biblical?
regards,
Irene
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Dear Irene, your message sent me rushing to my files, to refresh my memory on the Breakspear line - I have left out a generation! This is how it runs (promise!):
James Breakspear m Anne Osmond, and they had a Thomas, who m Sarah Fowler. It was Thomas and Sarah who were the parents of my Frederick (Fowler) Breakspear, they also had John Fowler (Jack), Thomas and Walter, as well as Jane, Georgina and Sarah. Frederick was my great grandfather, and clearly your grandfather's elder brother, and married Adelaide. Yes, Tryphena is biblical, with Greek origins - it means dainty or delicious maiden! I think the relationship makes us second cousins, once removed - or something like that!
In answer to your question, yes, I do have Robert as James' father, and his wife is Mary (nee Willis). Robert is the son of another James, who was married to a Susannah (nee Shilton). I think he was the same James Breakspear b. in Broadwell, Oxford to John B. and Rachel (nee Beale), himself the son of Philip B. and Mary (Hulett). Philip's father was also a Philip, but I run out there . . .
I am sorry I couldn't help on the Osmond front - I will let you know if I dig anything up - but it is delightful to discover another cousin - however distant. With kind regards, Anne.
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Hi,
I have been searching all over for your Ann Osmond ... no luck so far !
Where were James and Ann in the 1841 and 1851 census ? just hoping that this will give a clue !
Regards Rosemary
PS ... just great that you have found each other
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Hi Rosemary,
I have had some difficulty finding the family in 1841. I usually use Ancestry, but cant find them listed there. Have tonight looked on GenesReunited, and James is there, but i cant see Ann ??? perhaps she had died by then?
Thanks for taking an interest in my little mystery.
Irene
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Hi Ann and Irene,
In the 1861 census there is a James Breakspear born Uffingdon Berkshire age 47 years married to a Mary Ann 18 years old with baby Elizabeth of 5 months - the family living in Uffingdon.
Could this be your James ? if so, then it would mean that Ann (nee Osmond ) had died and he remarried.
I have searched ( till crosseyed ) all variants of "Breakspear" in the 41 and 51 census -- nope ! can`t find them either.
So.. Where were they from marriage till later ? Where and when were their children born?
Kind regards Rosemary
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Dear Rosemarie and Irene -
well, wrong generation, but possibly an uncle, since it was a family name - my/our james was bp 1837, so would only be about 24, and his first son, Frederick was yet to be born. By the way, Irene, if you could tell me anything about Thomas, his marriage and descendants, I'd be so grateful. Wonder what happened to Walter?
Regards, Anne.
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Hi Rosemary and Ann,
James was born in 1815 in Uffington. Mary Ann, was in fact his daughter!
Mary Ann had two children outside of marriage. They were Elizabeth b1860 and William b1862. Mary Ann subsequently married William C Heardon. They are all on the 1871 census together in Hanwell. The children are described as William's step children.
I do think Ann must have died before the 1841 census. Although i haven't yet been able to find her death certificate.
Talking of death certs, i have 1 for Robert Breakspear he died in 1865, at the great age of 91.
Thomas the son of James and Ann, was born in 1837 in Woolstone. He married Sarah Fowler.
Their son, Walter Breakspear b1878 in Southall married Tabitha Ann Green. They were married in 1898, and had at least two children, Frederick born c1899 and William born c1900. They were living in Newbury at the time of the 1901 census.
Walter had a sister Georgina b1872 in Little Coxwell, she was married to the brother of Tabitha Ann Green - Sydney Charles Green.
They certainly kept things in the family!!!
Walters brother Thomas b1875 in Eaton Hastings Berks, is my grandfather. I know he was in the army as a young man, as i have his marriage certificate for his 1st wife, Susan Carroll. He was stationed at Woolwich, but i don't know his regiment. Susan died in childbirth.
Thomas then married my grandmother Lillian Annie Hayward. born 1880 in calne.
They were married in 1906. and had 4 son and 3 daughters. sadly the 2 eldest daughters died young, 1 of them from Polio.
Of the 4 sons, one was a boxer and suffered brain damage in a fight, he never married.
one was in the RAF in the war. He never married.
One was in the Army and died as a Japanese prisoner of War.
My Father, Tom, was the only son to marry.
The surviving daughter, Iris, married my Mothers half brother Fred (again!) Standfast.
Incidentally, Walter was described on the 1901 census as a general dealer.
My Grandfather, on leaving the Army owned a Newsagents in Leyton. It was on the Leabridge Rd, all his children were born there.
Ann, out of curiosity, what was the occupation of your Fred Breakspear? I can't find him on any census returns after 1881.
I need a cup of Tea after this marathon entry....
Ann, i hope this information has been of interest to you.
Irene
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Dear Irene - thank you for so much information - brilliant, and quite sad, even tragic, at times. On his marriage certificate Fred Breakspear was a marine store dealer. On his death certificate, at the turn of the century, it said he died as a result of heavy drinking. My grandmother was about 12 or 13 at the time, and she had to go into service. The marrying between families, and marrying siblings to siblings was quite common, I believe.
My dear cousin, Jim Hayward, must in some way be connected with the Calne Haywards, I would think - travellers all! With best regards, Anne.