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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Leitrim => Topic started by: SherrardMLS on Thursday 12 April 07 16:42 BST (UK)
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Greetings~
My great great grandparents are Joseph and Margaret Arnold of Drumbrick, Carrigallen, County Leitrim. Circa 1830 According to the 1901 Census they had sons John, William & Francis and a daughter Margaret. My grandmother's sister, Margaret Houghton, also lived with them. Any information regarding Drumbrick or the Arnold family would be deeply appreciated.
Thanks so much~
God bless!
Marylou
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Hi Marylou,
I was just looking at some old postings and noticed yours.
I have found out recently that my great grandmother was called Mary Jane Haughton and she married John WIlson, unfortunately I do not have any dates for their births or their marriage. All I know is that they lived in Killeshandra, Co Cavan and Carigallen where you are researching your relatives is very closeby.
I was wondering if there may be a connection with Margaret Houghton and Mary Jane Haughton ?
Thanks
Margaret
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Marylou-
IGI lists 2 children to Joseph Arnold and Margaret Harris:
1. Francis Joseph born 10 May 1866 Newton Gore, Co.Leitrim
2. David born 6 Nov,1872 Co.Leitrim
Also, Joseph Arnold and Margret Harrison:
1. Margaret Jane born 11 June 1869 Co.Cavan.
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Dear Margaret~
I am passing on your entry to someone who has been doing extensive work on the Houghton family. I'll email you as soon as I hear back.
blessings~
Marylou
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Thanks Marylou, I appreciate you passing on my question to someone else.
Margaret
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Hi there, from the 1821 Census for Carrigallen Parish there were three Arnold families in Dumbrick Townland - John born about 1781, with wife Isabella and 5 children, Thomas born about 1780, with wife Jane and 6 children aand William b. 1771 with wife Lilly and 7 children. None of their children are named Joseph. Presumably they are all related, probably brothers. There were other Arnold families in two adjacent Townlands, Mullyaster - Edward b. 1784 and Frances with 3 children, and another in Corglafs, no husband with Anne Arnold and 4 children. I am descended from Edward. There were also other Arnold families in the Townlands of Cullies and Guladuff which are several miles south of the above Townlands. Again, no sign of a Joseph. It is of course possible that Joseph was a grandchild of one of the above and or moved to Dumbrick or one of the northern Townlands in the Parish. Some of the landlords had holdings in different areas and I have one case where one family seems to have moved from Killeshandra to Carrigallen (10+ miles?) so I guess anything is possible as to where they came from or where they went. I have copies of some old records showing where the Townlands actually were and even where the rental sites were within some Townlands. Let me know more specifically some dates so that I can determine if there is anything else I can add. I also have some records of the Arnold descendants of Edward and his wife Frances Sherritt in subsequent generations in Canada, the US and Australia. Good luck. GeoffreyS
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There was an Edward Arnold a Blacksmith and according to the Leitrim Observer achives this was 1854
dont know if a relation or not but there were also Arnolds in Newtowngore up until about 20 years ago
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Hi Razor8,
I noticed your reply to this post and thought it worth mentioning the following information although there may not be any links:
There is a tomb in Croghan cemetry Killeshandra (Co Cavan) with the following inscription on it :
"Sacred to the memory of Charles Haughton of Coromahon. Died 13 May 1870 aged 69 years. 'Mark the upright and behold the just. For the end of that man is peace.' Also his wife Elizabeth Haughton. Died 15th February 1887, aged 79 years. 'Blessed are the dead Which die in the Lord.'"
Elizabeth Haughton's maiden name was Elizabeth Arnold, she had a brother called Richard Arnold who died died 25.10.1863 and another brother Robert but I have no details about him. The Arnold information came from a 2nd cousin who said that it had been provided by a genealogist many years ago.
I am not sure if there are any links here but I do know that Carrigallen is not very far from Killeshandra in County Cavan.
Thanks
Margaret
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Carrigallen isn’t far from Killeshandra
I do know that a Charles Haughton appeared in the Griffith Valuation in 1864 in Cloonboygher, Carrigallen along with two other Haughton families George & Edward in the same townland, it looks like the name alternated between Haughton and Houghton over the years probably to distinct between the families
I don’t know where coromahon is? It must be a very old spelling because there's no spelling similar to it as far as I know
I’m afraid I have no other info
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Possibly the townland of Cornamahan
County; Cavan
Barony; Clanmahon
Civil parish; Denn
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Carrigallen isn’t far from Killeshandra
I do know that a Charles Haughton appeared in the Griffith Valuation in 1864 in Cloonboygher, Carrigallen along with two other Haughton families George & Edward in the same townland, it looks like the name alternated between Haughton and Houghton over the years probably to distinct between the families
I don’t know where coromahon is? It must be a very old spelling because there's no spelling similar to it as far as I know
I’m afraid I have no other info
Hi Razor & Hallmark,
I didn't get a notification on your replies(although notification is set up) but just spotted it.
Thanks for the info, Coromahon is the name of a house in Killeshandra (in Rockfield/ Loughnafin), I visited this house in the 1960s as a child and it is still there today.
Thanks
Margaret :)
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There was an Edward Arnold a Blacksmith and according to the Leitrim Observer achives this was 1854
dont know if a relation or not but there were also Arnolds in Newtowngore up until about 20 years ago
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HI there Razor8.
Re Edward Arnold the blacksmith. Do you have way of accessing the Leitrim Observer Archives for 1854 and letting me have details of what it is about or send a link so I can take a peak. I had not heard of this source before. I could not confirm it on the Internet. It appears to be my Edward - I have never found another like named - and our research suggests he lived to 1856. His children had left for Canada and Australia for the most part by then.
There is also another person in this chain of submissions perhaps named Sherrard.... Could this be a Sherrritt derivative? We have done a lot of research on the Sherritts - one of whom was Frances who was Edward's wife. There is an a group in Canada who have comprehensive research on this branch.
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HI there Razor8.
Re Edward Arnold the blacksmith. Do you have way of accessing the Leitrim Observer Archives for 1854 and letting me have details of what it is about or send a link so I can take a peak? I had not heard of this source before. I could not confirm it on the Internet. It appears to be my Edward - I have never found another like named - and our research suggests he lived to 1856. His children had left for Canada and Australia for the most part by then.
There is also another person in this chain of submissions perhaps named Sherrard.... Could this be a Sherrritt derivative? We have done a lot of research on the Sherritts - one of whom was Frances who was Edward's wife. There is a group in Canada who have comprehensive research on this branch.
You are correct in noting that some Arnolds still lived in the area 20 years ago. I think some still do - I met with one young family about 10 years ago. There is also one elderly Sherritt in the NewtownGore township last I heard.
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Nothing about Edward but..
Newspaper: Leitrim Advertiser
Newspaper Content: Mentioned regarding Presentment Sessions (Carrigallen)
Date: 8 April 1871 Newspaper Subject: Arnold George (Drumbrick)
Newspaper: Leitrim Advertiser
Newspaper Content: Former wife of Benjamin Makim deceased tenant of Francis Duke gave evidence at Rent case of her new husband at Mohill Sub Commission
Date: 8 November 1883 Newspaper Subject: Arnold Mrs James
Newspaper: Leitrim Advertiser
Newspaper Content: Witness Leitrim Courtcase Arnold versus Kiernan
Date: 7 March 1872 Newspaper Subject: Arnold Mrs (Widow of the late William Arnold)
Newspaper:
Roscommon & Leitrim Gazette Newspaper Content:
Above mentioned re House of his tenant Mr. Robert Arnold being attacked
Date: 24 March 1849
Newspaper Subject:
GORE ORMSBY ESTATE OWNER LEGANOMER CLOONE
Newspaper:
Roscommon & Leitrim Gazette
Newspaper Content:
Leitrim Assizes - details given with two persons to be imprisoned - John Arnold for 12 months and Patt McKeon for 8 months and hard labour.
Date: 16 July 1836 Newspaper Subject: JAIL COUNTY CARRICK ON SHANNON
Newspaper:
Leitrim Advertiser
Newspaper Content:
The above were held 30 cases for hearing. James Kiernan versus Alice Rorke. Trespass. William Arnold versus James Arnold Trespass and threatening language. Thomas Thompson versus James Kells. James Kells vesus Philip McGovern. Philip Lee and Bernard Lynch fined. Charles Duffy.
Date: 24 September 1891 Newspaper Subject: PETTY SESSIONS CARRIGALLEN
Newspaper:
Roscommon & Leitrim Gazette
Newspaper Content: Above was fataly injured when the house of his nephew was attacked by armed party, he was buried in Carrigallen Churchyard.
Date: 24 March 1849
Newspaper Subject: TODD ROBERT LEGANOMMER SEE JAMES TODD UNCLE OF ROBERT ARNOLD
Newspaper:
Roscommon & Leitrim Gazette
Newspaper Content: Application by above Re; his inention to register a Freehold at Corrocopel, Barony of Carrigallen.
Date: 23 May 1829 Newspaper Subject: SHERRITT JAMES CORROCOPEL
Newspaper:
Leitrim Advertiser
Newspaper Content: Mentioned in notice of sale of dwelling house and lands by public auction at courthouse Ballinamore.
Date: 16 March 1899
Newspaper Subject: SHERRARD GEORGE HUSBAND OF SARAH SHERRARD NEE SARAH FERGUSON
Newspaper: Leitrim Advertiser
Newspaper Content: Mentioned in notice of sale of dwelling house and lands by public auction at courthouse Ballinamore.
Date: 16 March 1899
Newspaper Subject: SHERRARD SARAH NEE SARAH FERGUSON SISTER OF WILLIAM FERGUSON
Newspaper:
Leitrim Gazette
Newspaper Content: Returned after 21 years in America. Entered Mohill Workhouse.
Date: 25 September 1862
Newspaper Subject: SHERRARD CARRIGALLEN
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Dave, Thanks for your reply. I am a bit confused. Was Edward the Blacksmith mentioned in the Leitrim Observer Newspaper in 1854? I thought such was indicated in the earlier post but not mentioned in the references you have kindly listed. Is there a link to Irish newspaper archives in general - I must have missed it when searching around. I am pleased to see the Arnolds were still in the area but dont think we have a close tie to any of them as my ancestor and his six siblings had all left by the late 1850s, supposedly after Edward died. I have found descendants of all the siblings in the US, Canada and Australia and none knew of any ties or connections there after. Thanks for your interest. Geoff. (USA).
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No, like I said, there is no mention of any Edward in 1854 or any other year.
irishnewsarchives.com would be the site, maybe your local library has a subscription? or to a similar site?
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Sorry, meant to mention that it couldn't have been mentioned in the Leitrim Observer in 1854 as it wasn't established until 1889.
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In the 1930's the family Arnold in Drumbrick dwindled out and went to America, The house in which they lived was a single storey stone house, Francis Reilly walked over the field in Drumbrick and took the house. He was a full blown blacksmith.
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It has been 14 years since I posted my original post. ;)
I can finally add some information and hopefully answers helpful to someone else as well.
1. Margaret, our Arnold's in Drumbrick are not related, but our Arnold's in Rockfield, Co Cavan are.
My great great grandmother, Letitia Arnold, shows up in the 1841 census as the sister in law to Charles and Elisha Elizabeth Houghton in Rockfield, Co Cavan. Your Arnolds are descended from William Arnold of Aghavadrin, Killeshandra, Cavan, Ireland. Children included Elizabeth, Rachel, Mary Anne, Richard and Letitia. The daughters were wed in Carigallen at the Methodist Meeting House. Richard was married in Co Fermanagh to a Margaret Johnston. Letitia eventually married Edward Houghton in Cloonboygher, Co Leitrim. I have recently messaged with a potential relative of yours-D and is very familiar with the Coromahon House as well.
2. The Arnold's listed by aghadowney are my granduncles and grandaunt. thank you!
3. Re the question of a Joseph Arnold existing, he does! His father was John Arnold b 1781. He was born in 1831. This is substantiated by his marriage records in 1854 where his father is listed as John Arnold of Drumbrick. He was still present in the 1901 census in Drumbrick. I also have DNA ties to John Arnold's brother Thomas and have been in contact with his descendants.
4. My Sherrard tie is from my grandfather from Limavady.
5. Thank you for all the info from the Leitrim Advertiser. I'm eager to go through them.
6. My direct Arnold descendants lived Drumbrick through the early 1950's. Several of them immigrated to the US, Mary Anne ARNOLD married and moved to Cloonboygher, but the rest lived out there lives there. I've hit a brick wall in that of the ones who stayed behind did not marry except for Margaret Jane Hyland nee Arnold, who died in 1954 at a hospital in Carrick on Shannon with her residence still listed as Drumbrick. She wrote my granny a letter with a picture saying that "Maggie had 3 sons". I can only assume that is her daughter or daughter in law but I can find nothing for her. Her father's name was John "Jonnie" Hyland of Druminshin Glebe, Co Leitrim, Ireland.
Thanks again for all everyone has contributed. It is so appreciated.
Marylou
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My great great grandmother, Letitia Arnold, shows up in the 1841 census as the sister in law to Charles and Elisha Elizabeth Houghton in Rockfield, Co Cavan.
Link to 1841 census-
Residents of a house 19 in Loughafin or Rockfield (Killashandra, Tullyhunco, Cavan).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1841/Cavan/Tullyhunco/Killashandra/Loughafin_or_Rockfield/19/
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KG ,you are a busy person.
Not only have you providing information on other parts of my family (Kelletts) recently, now I have more info on my Haughton and Arnold links.
Charles Haughton and Elizabeth Arnold were my great, great , great grandparents and are buried in Killeshandra, there is a tomb there.
Hallmark has pictures on his Cemetery pictures thread.
Look forward to hearing more.
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Look forward to hearing more.
MEW53, thank you for your kind words ;D
From SherrardMLS2-
Children included Elizabeth, Rachel, Mary Anne, Richard and Letitia. The daughters were wed in Carigallen at the Methodist Meeting House. Richard was married in Co Fermanagh to a Margaret Johnston. Letitia eventually married Edward Houghton in Cloonboygher, Co Leitrim.
Marriage of Rachel ARNOLD to William Blakely on 5th February 1846.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1846/09314/5372801.pdf
Marriage of Letitia ARNOLD to Edward Houghton on 18th January 1850. (Very poor quality image but has been reported).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09394/5402959.pdf
Both marriages in the Meeting House of Carrigallen Presbyterian Church.
KG
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Found the inscription:
There is a tomb in Croghan cemetry Killeshandra (Co Cavan) with the following inscription on it :
"Sacred to the memory of Charles Haughton of Coromahon. Died 13 May 1870 aged 69 years. 'Mark the upright and behold the just. For the end of that man is peace.' Also his wife Elizabeth Haughton. Died 15th February 1887, aged 79 years. 'Blessed are the dead Which die in the Lord.'"
Elizabeth Haughton's maiden name was Elizabeth Arnold, she had a brother called Richard Arnold who died ie25.10.1863 and another brother Robert but I have no details about him. The Arnold information came from a 2nd cousin who said that it had been provided by a genealogist many years ago.
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Children included Elizabeth, Rachel, Mary Anne, Richard and Letitia. The daughters were wed in Carigallen at the Methodist Meeting House. Richard was married in Co Fermanagh to a Margaret Johnston. Letitia eventually married Edward Houghton in Cloonboygher, Co Leitrim.
Marriage of Rachel ARNOLD to William Blakely on 5th February 1846.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1846/09314/5372801.pdf
Marriage of Letitia ARNOLD to Edward Houghton on 18th January 1850. (Very poor quality image but has been reported).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09394/5402959.pdf
Both marriages in the Meeting House of Carrigallen Presbyterian Church.
KG
Richard ARNOLD married Margaret JOHNSTON on 4th December 1851 in Kinawley Parish Church near Derrylin, Co Fermanagh. Margaret living in the townland of Drumshimuck. Her father Andrew Johnston, a farmer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1851/09412/5409811.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/knockninny/kinawley/crum/drumshimuck/
Griffiths Valuation 1862
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qrf/
KG
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KG,
Thank you so much for your help. Now, if only I could connect the Arnold's in Drumbrick with the Arnold's in Co Cavan. It seems where there's an Arnold there's a marriage to a Haughton/Houghton and where there's a Haughton/Houghton there's a marriage to an Arnold! I recently found a DNA match with Edward Arnold in Druminshingore. I have several DNA matches with Arnold's from Drumbrick. My granny used to speak of her Granny Letitia. Letitia lived with her family in Cloonboygher in her later years. So I know I am related to the Arnold's in Co Cavan as well and have had the joy of connecting with them. I assume the Arnold's came as planters and at least some settled the Drumbrick area and some in the Killeshandra area.
again, thank you and Happy New Year!