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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Herefordshire => Topic started by: Emjaybee on Tuesday 08 May 07 12:48 BST (UK)
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Info wanted on Thomas Watkins and wife Isabella. Much Birch, occ Slater living at Henry Street Ross on Wye, I think 1901 census (I forgot to date the print out - silly me LOL)
Isabella was born in West Indies.
We have a family mystery involving Trinidad and a plantation there. My link is through the Scrivens line.
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Hi there
They were living at Henry Street in 1881....
Thomas WATKINS Head M Male 70 Much Birch, Hereford, England Slater & C
Isabella WATKINS Wife M Female 65 West Indies
James WATKINS Son M Male 28 Much Dewchurch, Hereford, England Slater & C
Herbert WATKINS Grandson U Male 11 Hereford, Hereford, England Scholar
William SCUDEMORE Boarder M Male 47 Upton Bishop, Hereford, England Commission Agent
Annie SCUDEMORE Boarder M Female 44 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Agnes SCUDEMORE Boarder U Female 11 Nailsworth, Gloucester, England Scholar
Jacob HUGGINS Boarder M Male 46 Malmesbury, Wiltshire, England Coach Trimmer
Herbert is listed as a cripple.
http://www.familysearch.org
Do you need any other census years?
Sarah :)
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Any census info appreciated. I have ordered CD's for Worcestershire census but they have not arrived yet. I cant afford Hereford as well!
Soon I can offer help rather than keep asking.
Thank you for your help
Mike
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Think this might be them in 1861:
Hereford Road, Much Dewchurch
Thomas WATKINS H Mar 52 Slater and plasterer Bn Heref Much Birch
Isabella WATKINS W Mar 50 East Indies
Albert WATKINS son Un 18 Slater and platerer Heref M. Birch
James WATKINS son Un 8 Heref M. Dewchurch
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and in 1841:
Birch Common, Much Birch
Thomas Watkins 30 Can't read profession Bn This county
Isabella Watkins 28 Bn foreign parts
Thomas Watkins 5 Bn This county
Isabella Watkins 2 Bn This county
There are a couple of other Watkins families on the same page which I can give you if you'd like........
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Thank you
That starts a new search for me I see Isabella who came from Trinidad is listed in 1841 (foreign parts). So the link with Trinidad goes back much further in time.
This will be a great help as our family story is based on facts from 1940.
The name Scudamore (Commission Agent) is a well know county name in horse racing, another relative is said to have been well know in racing circles, some coincidence.
Mike
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In 1832 a Thomas Watkins married Isabella Gunter in Hereford.
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I shall have to start a trend for M-T as short form for many thanks. I need to thank so many Rc'ers for their help.
I have just received my census cd's from S and N so I can start doing a bit for myself.
I have dealt with S and N before, prompt service with tracked delivery.
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Hope you don't mind, I had a bit more of a look at the Herefordshire censuses (censii? :-\)
1851 Census: Much Dewchurch, Kents Common
Thomas WATKINS H M 43 Slater & plaster/ master 1 lab Heref Much Birch
Isabella WATKINS W M 42 America
Thomas WATKINS S Un 15 Learning his fathers trade Heref Much Birch
Isabella WATKINS D Un 12 Heref Much Birch
Albert Williams WATKINS S U 9 Heref Much Birch
George ANDREWS Boarder U 16 Ag Lab Heref Little Dewchurch
1871 Census: Henry Street, Ross
Thomas WATKINS H M 56 Plasterer Heref Much Birch
Isabel WATKINS W M 55 India (British Subject)
James WATKINS S U 18 Plasterer Heref Much Dewchurch
Herbert WATKINS Gson U 2 Heref Hereford
Emma SIMMONDS Serv U 12 Gen Serv Heref Brampton Abbots
1891 Census: Henry Street, Ross
Thomas WATKINS H M 78 Plasterer Heref Much Birch
Isabella WATKINS W M 78 West Indies
James WATKINS S Un 39 Plasterer Heref Much Dewchurch
Herbert WATKINS Gson Un 22 Clerk Heref Hereford
William BULLON lodger Un 27 Waggoner Heref Broadway
On neither the 1871 or 1891 census was Herbert listed as a cripple, or indeed having any ailments/conditions.
Hope that helps
Best wishes
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And it looks as if both Isabella and Thomas lived to the grand age of 90:
from www.freebmd.org.uk
Thomas Watkins died Sept qtr Ross 6a 319 aged 90
Isabella Watkins died Dec qtr Ross 6a 315 aged 90
1901 Census: Almshouse, Ross
Isabella WATKINS H Wid 90 West Indies
Isabel DAKIN? Visitor S 62 Living on own means Heref Much Birch
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You have saved me a load of work MT x 10
Mike
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1841 Census, Much Birch.
Living alone, Barracks? Much Marcle.
William Gunter age 75 (1766) stone mason not born in county
nearby Birch common
Joseph Gunter age 35, stone mason, born Foriegn parts
Elizabeth age 33, born in county, as are the children
Mary 14
Richard 9
Thomas 5
Sophia 6 months
also a younger brother? Benjamin Gunter age 25, mason, not born in county
so William was a stone mason in the west Indies, and Benjamin seems to have been born in the UK, so the family returned before 1814-15
There are Watkins and Gunters here in the Church records for Much Birch
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/
cheers fred
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Many thanks I'm now a Gunter hunter
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Just noticed among the Watkins on Birch Common, about the right age to be parents of Thomas
between Gaylo Cottage and Little Nuttall
Thomas Watkins age 60, carpenter (all born in county)
Ann age 55
John age 20
Sarah age 15
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I did reply, but it seems to have been lost in the ether..........
The short version of the post was that on the 1881 census, Joseph Gunter is entered as having been born "on board the Allenhope" West Indies.
I presume the Allenhope to be a ship, so perhaps there would be a passenger register with addresses etc?
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Hi there
Just came accross this post. Do you know if Thomas Watkins's son Albert William married a Jane Fisher? Am tracing the Watkins family tree on my Dad's side. I think am on the right path! Albert and Jane had son Oliver Albert who married a Rhesa Stephens. They had several sons one called Rees who is my granddad
Thanks for any help
Regards
Taffia 😊