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Please can any one in the Paulton area help?
I have found several ancestors who died in two cholera out breaks in Paulton in 1832 and 1849.
I have seen an extract from Revd Skinner( Rector of Camerton)'s diary telling about cholera in Paulton which the transcriber has dated 1830. Does any one know where I can see this diary or can anyone confirm the date was indeed 1830 and not 1832.
I have also seen a blurred photograph of one of the memorials to cholera victims in the church yard of Holy Trinity which seems to have the date 1852. Am I misreading it does it read 1832
PLEASE can some one let me have a clear photograph or let me have the wording on the cholera memorials in the church yard? I believe there are two. The family names I am particularly interested in are AMOS, BULL and CARTER
Many thanks
Trees
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PAULTON C.P. CHURCH STREET (south side) ST 65 NW 1/4 Cholera monument, in the churchyard and 15 metres south of Church of the Holy Trinity G.V. II Memorial, boundary and marker stones. Early/mid C19. Freestone, ashlar. A square enclosure marked by dressed stones, at east stands a 0.5 metre high plain pointed stone with text:
BOUNDARY/OF/CHOLERA/BURIAL/GROUND. At west stands a pediment topped, ashlar insertion in wall on which an haut relief urn surmounts a tablet with text:
IN MEMORY OF
23 MEN, 23 WOMEN AND 26 CHILDREN
INTERRED WITHIN THIS ENCLOSURE
WHO FELL VICTIM TO THAT DREADFUL
SCOURGE, ASIATIC CHOLERA, WITH
WHICH IT PLEASED THE ALMIGHTY O
VISIT THIS PARISH FROM THE 28TH
SEPTEMBER TO THE 1OTH NOVEMBER
1832. WHEN, UNDER THE DIRECTING
ARM OF A BOUNTIFUL PROVIDENCE
BY THE SKILL AND ATTENTION OF THE
MEDICAL MEN, AND BY THE CHARITABLE
DONATIONS OF THE SURROUNDING
NEIGHBOURHOOD, IT CEASED
"AND HE STOOD BETWEEN THE LIVING AND
THE DEAD AND THE PLAGUE WAS STAYED"
RESTORED, 1966.
http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/search/details.aspx?id=32856
I will see if I can get to the churchyard for you to see if I can find anything about Amos, Bull, Carter surnames.
Do you have any more information (e.g Christian names, dates...) that would assist me?
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Hi Bagpus thats very kind of you These are the people identified with a C in the burial register on our tree If you could possibly take a digital photograph of the memorials I would be extremely grateful
Our ancestors who died in Paulton during the 1832 outbreak of Asiatic cholera:
Eve BULL was buried October 10 1832 aged 5 years
Joyce BULL [2664] was buried 26 Oct 1832 aged 15 years
Jacob BULL [2884] was buried 2 Nov 1832 age 5 years
Dinah BULL nee WATTS [2878] (mother of Jacob) was buried Nov 10 1832 also of Cholera
Our ancestors who died in Paulton of Asiatic cholera 1849-50
Zachariah BULL [2829] was buried 30 Oct 1849 age 31 years
Ann CARTER nee JAMES [3426] was buried 31 Oct 1849 aged 27 years
Sarah Ann CARTER [3433] was buried 4 Nov 1849 age 5 years
John CARTER [3294] was buried 8 Nov 1849age 18 years
Jacob AMOS [1476] was buried 15 November 1849 aged 18 years
Mary AMOS [1477] was buried 27 Nov 1849 aged 12 years
George CARTER [3130] was buried 30 Nov 1849 aged 4 years
Jane CARTER [3346] was buried 30 Nov 1849 aged 9 years
John BULL [3787] was buried 2 Dec 1849 aged 20years
Elija CARTER [3121] was buried 6 Dec 1849 aged 44 years
Elizabeth Ann CARTER [3434] was buried 9 Dec 1849 aged 4 years
Joyce BULL [2870] was buried 11 Dec 1849 aged 14 years sister of Joyce who died in the 1832 outbreak.
David CARTER [3198] was buried 22 Dec 1849 aged 28 years.
There were others of family names yet to be identified
William AMOS buried 21 November 1849 aged 3˝ years
Ann AMOS buried November 24 aged 4 years
Trees
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Oops I should have removed the [nos ] They are our own data reference I hope they don't confuse.
Trees
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Unfortunately, although I searched every gravestone (it's not a big graveyard!) I did not find graves for any of those listed. I'm not sure from what you've said whether you were expecting individual graves, or whether they might have mass graves for outbreaks of disease. What leads me to think this is that I found a marker for the 'boundary of cholera'! The bottom of this marker has worn but I think the last two words say 'burial ground'.
Many of the graves have also worn away in this manner. I did find a few 'Carter' graves, but they were (from memory) 1880s so definitely not the ones listed above.
I know there is a large cemetary in Paulton, but I'm certain all the cholera burials will have taken place in the same place, i.e this church.
I will post two photos below. The link to my Photobucket account, which has more pictures of the church/monument is below. Please let me know if it's not public - although it should be. :)
http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/JanetSerenaPics1/
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Many thanks yes the link is working well your lovely clear photographs confirm the two out breaks as per my lists The problem lies in the diary of Revd Skinner the Rector of Camerton His entry for October 3rd 1830 deals with an outbreak of Cholera in Paulton he mentions, "those who died are buried in a piece of ground without funeral ceremony” which fits the boundary stones but why are only 2 outbreaks mentioned when the Diary indicates there were 3 He does not say how many died in 1830. I can only assume it was a more contained incident probably of the native British Cholera while the two commemorated with the memorials were a more virulent strain "the Asiatic" Cholera
Many thanks for your kind help May I down load the photos from here for personal use?
Trees.
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Many thanks for your kind help May I down load the photos from here for personal use?
Trees.
Of course - feel free. :)
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Please can any one in the Paulton area help?
I have found several ancestors who died in two cholera out breaks in Paulton in 1832 and 1849.
I have seen an extract from Revd Skinner( Rector of Camerton)'s diary telling about cholera in Paulton which the transcriber has dated 1830. Does any one know where I can see this diary or can anyone confirm the date was indeed 1830 and not 1832.
I have also seen a blurred photograph of one of the memorials to cholera victims in the church yard of Holy Trinity which seems to have the date 1852. Am I misreading it does it read 1832
PLEASE can some one let me have a clear photograph or let me have the wording on the cholera memorials in the church yard? I believe there are two. The family names I am particularly interested in are AMOS, BULL and CARTER
Many thanks
Trees
Hello, I am hoping you are still at the other end of this dated post. I was fascinated by the story of the Bull family being part of the Paulton cholera outbreak. Dinah Bull (nee Watts) also falls in my tree. I am struggling figuring out who is who with George Bull (husband of Dinah) and was wondering if you had any insights into him. Is he the son of Robert/Anne (as the names of his children suggest but that doens't jive with the 1841 census), or do we go with the George Bull born January 1796 (parents Steven and Honour) . If you have solved this puzzle or have any documentation on the cholera outbreak, I would be very grateful!
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Hi there I'm still here
We have gone with Stephen and Honour nee PEWTERS
I have George and Dinah having:
Mary1815,Ann 1818 George baptised 28 May 1820 Angel 1822-1830,Eleanor baptised 27 Feb 1825,Jacob1827-1832, Dinah baptised 10 Jan 1830, Robert 1831-1832
So yes he does have Ann and Robert and no Stephen or Honour. Dinah died in 1832
On the 1841 census Piece: 939 Book: 18 Folio: 40 Page Number: 31
George 45 was with George 20 Ellen 15 and Dinah 10
with rounding George was born 1791-1796 which fits the baptism in Paulton
entry 62 George Son of Steven and Honour BULL was baptized November 6th 1785
Robert and Ann's George was baptised 16 Feb 1787 which is out side the age range Also there is a burial:
entry 149 10 Feb 1792 George son of Robert Ann BULL
which I think clinches that problem
Stephen was bapt 1 Feb 1761 the third of 4 known children of Stephen and Elizabeth BULL
My interest in the family is through George 1820 who married Elizabeth BULL also born 1820 daughter of Joseph Bull and Susannah CARTER these being my husbands 4x gt grandparents I can go back another 3 generations on her line if you should require their records
Hope this helps If I can help further let me know I have most of the baptisms some of the marriages and some deaths of the various children
Trees
By the way look at my web site it is desperately in need of attention but you may find some interesting stuff there to help with your tree. Which of George and Dinah's children are you interested in?
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I expect you know that Dinah WATTS was the daughter of James WATTS and Dinah BULL To add to the confusion their daughter Lucy WATTS married Henry BULL son of Robert and Ann and Henry witnessed the marriage of George Bull and DInah WATTS.
James Watts and Dinah had three daughters all baptised in their twenties
6 Jan 1808 Lusca F James Dinah WATTS aged 21 years (I think this is LUCY who married Henry BULL
26 Dec 1808 Rosanna F James Dinah WATTS aged 20 years an 8 months
93 May 31st 1815 Dinah wife of George BULL aged 19 Paulton x Wm Wright Curate
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Thank you for your quick and fullsome response! I had originally landed on the same George as you but stumbled upon a publication on the Somerset Coalfield connections and started to doubt myself as they indicated that it was George, son of Robert and Ann, that married Dinah Watts. It would have been helpful if everyone didn't name all their children the same name! My connection is in their daughter Eleanor who married Benjamin Weaver.
I was fascinated about the cholera story as another side of my family was severely hit by that in Wales around 1860. How on earth did you learn this? It is these stories that add the colour to the work that we do.
Thank you. I found your website and will dig in now. Thanks again!
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Thank you for your quick and fullsome response! I had originally landed on the same George as you but stumbled upon a publication on the Somerset Coalfield connections and started to doubt myself as they indicated that it was George, son of Robert and Ann, that married Dinah Watts. It would have been helpful if everyone didn't name all their children the same name! My connection is in their daughter Eleanor who married Benjamin Weaver.
I was fascinated about the cholera story as another side of my family was severely hit by that in Wales around 1860. How on earth did you learn this? It is these stories that add the colour to the work that we do.
Thank you. I found your website and will dig in now. Thanks again!
Update...
I enjoyed reading some of your stories on the website. I have a few questions, if you don't mind. In your records, do you see our George (1795 - son of Stephen and Pewter) marrying again or track down his date and place of death? I can't find him after the 1841 census.
You must have gone through the Paulton parish records. I am so jealous! I am in Canada which makes that type of research difficult.
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Glad to be of help. Yes we have been to Paulton and to the Taunton Record Office we live a fair distance from Somerset but have a Motorcaravan and try to include places of family interest in our travels. We have a copy of a little book the Paulton History Society produced sadly out of print now and annoyingly I can;t put my hand on it now ...will have a hunt later today... It mentioned the Diary I am asking for here but I have totally failed to find a copy of that. The quote in the book was so fascinating I'd love to get to see the whole diary its the date that throws me. Cholera spread across the country in the two maindeadly waves and in isolated pockets at other times until a Doctor in London found the source was contaminated water. We think of pretty little country cottages with roses round the door an live so idyllic and forget the reality of tiny cottages overcrowded with large families and no sanitation to talk of. I expect you found my page on i "Infectious diseases too.
Now you have bought this part of the tree back to mind I have taken a look at what I have.
they are out on the twigs of our tree so I admit I didn't delve that far into them but I found a census in 1851 which looks verymuch as if it is George
HO107/1939 fo111 p 4 George 57 with wife Sarah 67 both born in Paulton. This gives a birth date about 1794 but i haven;t found a marriage
BUT OH HELP I THINK WE NEED TO GET OUT HEADS TOGETHER PLEASE CONTACT ME THROUGH THE WEB so we can discuss this by e mail I have found I already have in the data bank a George with children Stephen and Honour first son and second daughter
I'll go back through and see if there was a reason why I had Dinah's George to Stephen and Honour this could be a big problem Wish we didn't have the time differenc but we love Canada and have visited twice.
Trees
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Hi,
I have registered my email address on your website so we can continue this discussion there.
Thanks again for your help.
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Up date in case it helps anyone else
After quite a marathon chase For the kids and I think we have sorted her George out.
She asked "...George Bull (husband of Dinah) and was wondering if you had any insights into him. Is he the son of Robert/Anne (as the names of his children suggest but that doesn't jive with the 1841 census), or do we go with the George Bull born January 1796 (parents Steven and Honour)"
We have concluded that the son of Robert and Ann died
burial:entry 149 10 Feb 1792 George son of Robert Ann BULL
and George son of Stephen and Honour nee Pewters married Ann BAMPFIELD and had a Stephen and Honour among their children
So that left us with the son of William and Angel COLLINS being the one who married Dinah WATTS who turned out to be cousins. George and Dinah had a daughter named Angel as well to add weight to our conclusion.
Now we are left with a problem with Angel Bull so if anyone would like to join the hunt this is the situation:
William BULL married Angel COLLINS in Radstock 29 Jun 1788
They had 6 known children in Camerton, any who died were buried in Paulton. The children were born between 1789 and 1792 ( there were twins involved)
Now there is a burial in Paulton of an Angel Bull in 1798 no age given and the date is Sep 1798 no day.
There is also a burial in Midsomer Norton in 1825 for a 74 year old Angel BULL
Now William was buried age 74 in 1823 in Camerton. so the Midsomer Norton Angell was a perfect age to be his wife but the Paulton 1798 death also looks good
Has anyone any ideas how we can sort this one out
To add to the confusion there is also an Angel Bull who was born in 1809(from her death) marrying Joseph Maggs in 1830 in Paulton now who was she? the Angel who died in 1798 cant be her mum and the Midsomer Norton one was too old to be her mum
A second problem we have turned up is this:
George re married after Dinah died in a Cholera out break. He married the widow Sarah GREGIRY in 1836 but he is on the 1841 census with two of his children and she is on the same census with two of her children They are together in 1851 . Why would they be apart in 1841?
1841
George Bull HO107/ 939/18 fo40 p30
Sarah BULL HO107/ 939/18 fo25 p 1
1851 HO107/1939 fo111 p 4
Any ideas why they were apart please?
Thank you for your interest
Trees and Forthe kids
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a tiny step forward
The Angel who died in 1825 in Midsomer Norton appears to be the wife of Robert BULL. There are baptisms in Midsomer Norton Wesleyan chapel for children of John and Mary Barwell which give Mary's parents as Robert and Angell Bull.
John Barwell married Mary Bull in 1814So I think this eliminates the one who died in 1824 as not Angel Collins
So that leaves us with Angel Collins probably being the one who died in 1798 but where and when was she born?
And Angel born 1809 who married James Maggs a total mystery
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After an intense review of Forthe kids Paulton based tree we have got a great deal of data sorted out. we have added a Paulton section to our web site for every one to be able to access. if you want to know how we got to any particular individual just ask and I'll do my best to explain why we have it the way we do. I know there are many trees on An..ry that differ in different areas but I feel we have questioned each stage and am Happy that we can explain our decisions
www.mcmullin.plus.com/Paulton%20Website
many families involved are Carter, Bull,Weaver and WATTS
If you want us to do a similar hunt on any other Paulton families let us know.
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After an intense review of Forthe kids Paulton based tree we have got a great deal of data sorted out. we have added a Paulton section to our web site for every one to be able to access. if you want to know how we got to any particular individual just ask and I'll do my best to explain why we have it the way we do. I know there are many trees on An..ry that differ in different areas but I feel we have questioned each stage and am Happy that we can explain our decisions
www.mcmullin.plus.com/Paulton%20Website
many families involved are Carter, Bull,Weaver and WATTS
If you want us to do a similar hunt on any other Paulton families let us know.
Thanks again for all your help on the Paulton Bulls, Trees! I couldn't have worked through it without your help.
for the kids!
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It was fun wasn't it but we still have a few loose ends so if anyone else would care to join in we would love to find:
1 Which George Carter married Ann WEAVER in Paulton in 1836? His 1851 census in Bedwellty suggests he was born in 1814 in Paulton
2 Who were Christian Barwell Coles parents? Again her 1851 census suggests she was born in Paulton in 1792?
Annoyingly there is a couple George and Christian COLES, married as George COALS and Christian HOLER,who have 4 children in Mells 1781-1794 then3 in Elm 1796 -1800 now they don't baptise a Christian but were they Christian Barwell COLES parents?
3 where was Rachel WRINTMORE from? Not quite Paulton but nearby
And this is the BIGGY
4 Who were Angel COLLINS Parents and where was she from? She was said to be of Walcot when she married William BULL of Paulton in 1788
Hope some one can help shine a light on these for us
The HUNT GOES ON
:) Trees
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Hi, I came across this post from 2007 when looking up the Paulton cholera memorial. You mentioned the names Bull, Amos and Carter. I am descended from the Paulton Amos family - George Amos and his wife Anne (nee Batten) from Paulton moved with their two sons Stephen and George to Beaufort in South Wales in the early 1840s. This seems to have been part of a wave of migration over several years from one coalfield to another. Stephen married Elizabeth Rawlings, also born in Paulton but raised in Beaufort. I think she may have had Bull connections. In the late 1870s Stephen and his family moved to Manchester, and he was drowned in a mining accident in 1878. Some of his family eventually moved back to Beaufort, but his widow and youngest daughters stayed in Manchester. The youngest daughter became my paternal grandmother.
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Well welcome to Rootschat and the family David. George and Ann Perry BATTEN are my husbands 3x great grand parents. and we have your Stephen and Ann Rawlings and his family on our tree. He died in Bradford Colliery "Inundation of water a level from the new winning being driven into a working of a former underground trial shaft. 2 killed." but you know that.I am assuming you descend from John Williams Roberts and Harriet Louisa Amos.
Back to Stephen's brother George he married Susan BULL in Brynmawr and they moved to County Durham around 1873 these are the next direct line.
If you haven't already found our web site may I suggest yo have a look at it and contact me through the site:
mcmullin.me.uk
I am sure we will be able to help with your tree.
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Elizabeth Rawlings was the oldest child of Robert Rawlins and Maria Hew.
By the way I usually find them as RAWLINS not RAWLINGS e.g like this GRO Index entry:
"AMOS, HARRIET LOUISA RAWLINS "
Maria Hew was daughter of Joseph a carpenter and Betty Hew
Robert Rawlin was son of John and Hannah nee Bull
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I am Interested in this thread as I have just discovered my husband's 4x GGparents BENJAMIN & CATHERINE GREGORY were both buried on 10th October 1832 in Paulton. I believe they victims of this cholera outbreak :(
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Yes sadly both were cholera victims you can see their names are marked with a c in the burial regester
c 602 Catherine Gregory 42 Oct 10th
c 638 Benjamin Gregory 43 Oct 19th
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Hello there,
I am looking for information on the Everdell family, specifically Mercy Everdell whose parents both sadly died of cholera in 1832. She moved to South Wales where she lived and stayed for the rest of her life.
Many thanks
Emma
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Was she the daughter of George and Elizabeth baptised on Paulton 25 Dec 1822?
Married Evan Lewis 11 Jun 1843 Bedwellty ?
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Yes that is her 😀
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What do you want to know? I'll try to help