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Title: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Monday 04 June 07 15:05 BST (UK)
On the 1881 Census I have a James Henry HOLGATE b.20.7.1880, Southport, LAN resident with grandparents Joseph STRETTON & Ellen WOOLERTON in Clay Cross, DBY.

James' birth cert. records his parents as William HOLGATE, contractor's foreman, & Emma HOLGATE, formerly WOOLLATON.

 ???Joseph & Ellen had a daughter Emma STRETTON b.1850 LEI.  could she be the mother?

Can't seem to find her or William HOLGATE on the 1881 Census.  Can anyone help ;D
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: Tati on Monday 04 June 07 15:35 BST (UK)
From the 1851 census, it seems Emma was born before Joseph and Ellen's marriage - she's a Wooloton, age 1, b. Whitwick
HO107/2084; Folio 782? 24

but I can't see Joseph and Ellen's marriage to confirm  :-\ 


Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: Tati on Monday 04 June 07 15:40 BST (UK)
1871
RG10/5269 157 5
Newbiggin, Westmorland
Newbiggin Village

William Holgate, head, 48, Railway Lab, b. Yorkshire Stainforth
Emma, wife, 27, b. Leicestershire Whittick
Anna, dau, 2, b. Derbyshire Unstone
Margaret, dau, 5mo, b. Cumberland Barron Wood
 
Looks fine except for Emma's age  :-\ ??? :P
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: Tati on Monday 04 June 07 15:52 BST (UK)
Crikey, they seem to have moved around! Look at this 1901:
RG13/1185 15 22
Heston, Middlesex
Scraltage? Farm

George Attwood, head, 45, Foreman in Public Works, b. Surrey Putney
Emma, wife, 51, b. Leicestershire Witick (age is right again  8))
Margaret Halgate, stepdau, 30, Factory Hand, b. Cumberland Buranmore?
John Halgate, stepson, 27, Ganger? in Public Works, b. Westmoreland Newbegin
Jane Halgate, stepdau, 23, b. Yorkshire Hull
Joseph Attwood, son, 25, Ganger in Public Works, b. Lancs Newchurch
Ben Halgate, stepson, 22, General Labourer, b. Yorkshire Hull
James Halgate, stepson, 21, Carman, b. Lancashire Southport
Thomas Halgate, stepson, 17, General Labourer, b. Middlesex Scrattage
George Attwood, son, 12, at school, b. do.
Samuel Bird, grandson, 2, b. London Kensington
+ 3 boarders
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: Tati on Monday 04 June 07 15:59 BST (UK)
For some reason, Emma is Annie in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=9509789

And George Attwood is already around  :-X
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Monday 04 June 07 17:15 BST (UK)
many thanks.  so Emma was born out of wedlock and took her mother's maiden name?  I checked my records out and... :-[

1851 Census recs.
Dwelling: Silver St.
Census Place: Whitwick, LEI.
Benjamin WOOLOTON, head, widr., 57, labourer, LEI, Desford.
Benjamin, son, 13, coal miner, LEI, Markfield.
John, grandson, 13, coalminer, LEI, Markfield.
Mary, daur., unm., 15, housekeeper, LEI, Markfield.
Joseph STRETTON, son in law, marr., 22, labourer, LEI, Whitwick.
Ellen Woolerton STRETTON, son in laws's wife, marr., 20, LEI, Markfield.
Emma WOOLOTON, grand daur., 1, LEI, Whitwick.
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Monday 04 June 07 17:15 BST (UK)
what I need now is emma's birth certificate ::)

Marriage cert. No.220
1851, Mar 4th, Whitwick, LEI
banns Church of England
Joseph STRETTON, 23, bach., labourer
res.Whitwick
f.Thomas STRETTON, labourer
Ellen WOLLERTON, 21, spin.
res.Whitwick
f.Benjamin WOLLERTON, labourer
min.Maurice SMITH, Curate
sign Joseph STRETTON, his X mark, Ellen WOLLERTON, her X mark.
wits.William COOK & Mary STRETTON
reg.Ashby de la Zouch, LEI
Title: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Monday 04 June 07 21:44 BST (UK)
Here is my Census data.  There's a number of errors particularly with pob.  There are a couple in bold I haven't a clue about.  I bet meal times were great ::)  Couldn't find them in 1891.   :-[

1871 Census recs.
Dwelling: New Biggin Village
Census Place: New Biggin, WES.
William HOLGATE, head, marr., 48, Railway Labour, YKS, Stainforth
Emma Stretton HOLGATE, wife, marr., 27, LEI, Whittick (Whitwick)
Anna HOLGATE, daur., 2, DBY, Unstone
Margaret HOLGATE, daur., 5 months, CUL, Barron Wood
Henry ATKINS, boarder,70, YKS, Ingleton.
John ELVIN, boarder, 30, NFK, Honman.
John LUND, boarder, 56, LAN, Chipping.
Duncan McINTYRE, boarder, 49, Scotland.
William RABY, boarder, 64, LAN, Middleton.
Thomas STANLEY, boarder, 29, WOR, Stourbridge.
1881 Census recs.
Dwelling: 39 Upper Duke St
Census Place: North Meols, Lancashire, England.
Wm. HOLGATE Head M Male 59 Dents Head, YKS, ENG, Railway Gauger     
Annie Stretton HOLGATE Wife M Female 33 Wilick (Whitwick), LEI, ENG         
Annie HOLGATE Daur. Female 11 Hunston (Unstone), DBY, ENG Scholar     
Maggie HOLGATE Daur Female 10 Barnwood, CUL, ENG Scholar     
William HOLGATE  Son Male 9 Newbigan (Newbiggin), WES, ENG Scholar     
John HOLGATE Son Male 7 Newbigan (Newbiggin), WES, ENG Scholar     
Isaac HOLGATE  Son Male 5 Guisboro(ugh), NRY, ENG Scholar     
Ellen HOLGATE Daur Female 4 Langwalkby (Langwathby), CUL, ENG         
Jenny HOLGATE Daur Female 3 Hull, ERY, ENG         
Benjamin HOLGATE Son Male 2 Hull, ERY, ENG         
William WHITTAM Boarder U Male 59 Wettick (Whitwick), LEI, ENG Labourer On Railway     
George HATWOOD Boarder W Male 29 Putney, SRY, ENG Labourer On Railway   
Edwin DAVIS Boarder M Male 40  Shrewsbury Railway Gauger     

The 1901 was even more fun to write out... :'(

1901 Census recs.
Dwelling: Scrattage Farm
Census Place: Heston, Middlesex
George ATTWOOD, head, 45, Foreman in Public Works, SRY, Putney
Emma Holgate ATTWOOD, wife, 51, LEI, Witick (Whitwick)
Joseph ATTWOOD, son, unm., 25, Ganger in Public Works, LAN, Newchurch
George ATTWOOD, son, 12, at school, MDX, Scrattage.
Margaret HALGATE, stepdaur., unm., 30, Factory Hand, CUL, Buranmore
John HALGATE, stepson, unm., 27, Ganger? in Public Works, WES, Newbegin (Newbiggin)
Jane HALGATE, stepdaur., unm., 23, ERY, Hull
Ben HALGATE, stepson, unm., 22, General Labourer, ERY, Hull
James HALGATE, stepson, unm., 21, Carman, LAN, Southport
Thomas HALGATE, stepson, unm., 19, General Labourer, MDX, Scrattage
Samuel BIRD, grandson, 2, LDN, Kensington
John LEE, boarder, 20, SSX, Burwash.
Thomas PERKINS, boarder, 19, MDX, Heston.
Tom SAUNDERS, boarder, 34, SSX, East Bourne.
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: Tati on Monday 04 June 07 21:56 BST (UK)
I googled "Barron Wood" and apparently it's near Carlisle  :)

PS: They are all indexed Attwood in 1891:RG12/1024 138 24 in Heston Middlesex
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Monday 04 June 07 23:18 BST (UK)
Yes I've found them.  Emma's pob is recorded as Witch, Liechtenstein :o
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Monday 04 June 07 23:35 BST (UK)
have you any idea re:marriage date ???

a. Emma WOLLOTON?STRETTON & William HOLGATE

b.george ATTWOOD
Title: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Tuesday 05 June 07 00:51 BST (UK)
Trying to find more info. re:the HOLGATEs.  On the LDS could only find 2 children (actually it was 3 Margaret had the same details as William)

William HOLGATE
24 DEC 1871   Newbiggin By Appleby, Westmorland

John HOLGATE
15 MAY 1873 Newbiggin By Appleby, Westmorland   


Below is the 1891 with usual errors.
I think I've allocated the right child to right parent - I've listed George's children first. ???

13 children and still room for a lodger!!!

1891 Census recs.
Census Place: Heston, Spring Grove, Middlesex,
George ATTWOOD, head, marr., 39, SRY, Putney
Emma Holgate ATTWOOD, wife, 41, Liechtenstein, Witch (Whitwick, LEI)
Alfred ATTWOOD, son, unm., 17, Cugat, CUL
George ATTWOOD, son, 2, Cugat, CUL.
Margaret ATTWOOD, stepdaur., unm., 20, Barnwood, CUL
William ATTWOOD, stepson, unm., 19, Pewbridger, WES
John ATTWOOD, stepson, unm., 17, Pewbridger, WES
Ellen ATTWOOD, stepdaur., 15, Wortley, CUL
Issac ATTWOOD, stepson., 15, Scrattage, MDX? (Guisborough, NRY)
Jane ATTWOOD, stepdaur., 13, Hull, ERY.
Benjamin ATTWOOD, stepson, 12, Hull, ERY.
James ATTWOOD, stepson, 10, Southport, LAN.
Thomas ATTWOOD, stepson, 7?, Scrattage, MDX.
Thomas ELBURY, boarder, 18, Scrattage, MDX
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: Tati on Tuesday 05 June 07 07:56 BST (UK)
Hi again Wildgoose,

I can't see Emma's first marriage but this should be the 2nd one:

June quarter 1888
Brentford registration district 3a 147
Emma Woolerton Holgate - George Gilbert Attwood
Title: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Tuesday 05 June 07 10:27 BST (UK)
thanks ;D  would that be in middlesex ??? :-[

would that mean George Attwood b1889 was Emma's child by George Gilbert ATTWOOD ???

10 out of 10 for stamina :P

Dave


PS Fanny   ::) WILDGOOSE was my great great grandmother's name ;D
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: Tati on Tuesday 05 June 07 10:41 BST (UK)
would that be in middlesex ??? :-[

Yes  ;)

Yes, looks like little George was their common son.

I wonder why you named everybody Attwood on the 1891 census  ??? The Holgates are clearly Holgates on the actual census image  ;)


I wonder is this is the Cumberland birthplace "Cugat"
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CUL/Culgaith/index.html
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Tuesday 05 June 07 15:30 BST (UK)
Thought I'd gone mad for a moment.  I didn't see the actual image just the results of the search on Ancestry.... :o

Alfred Attwood     17
Benjaman Attwood    12
Ellen Attwood    15
Emma Attwood    41
George Attwood    39
George Attwood    2
Isaac Attwood    15
James Attwood    10
Jane Attwood    13
John Attwood    17
Margaret Attwood    20
Thomas Attwood    7
William Attwood    19
Thomas Elbury    18
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: Tati on Tuesday 05 June 07 15:33 BST (UK)
If you've got access to that then I suppose you can view the image as well?  ???
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Tuesday 05 June 07 15:35 BST (UK)
Here's the HOLGATEs... ::)  It wouldn't let me send the full version...  Below you can see what started this search...Joseph STRETTON...my great great grand dad 8)

Name:   William HOLGATE
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Birth:   1823   Stainforth, Yorkshire.
Occupation:   Railway Labourer.
Spouse:   Emma WOOLERTON
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Birth:   1850   Whitwick,  Leicestershire
Father:   Joseph STRETTON (1829-1898)
Mother:   Ellen WOOLERTON (1828-1902)
Other Spouses:   George Gilbert ATTWOOD

Children:
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1 F:   Anna HOLGATE
Birth:   1869   Unstone, Derbyshire
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2 F:   Margaret HOLGATE
Birth:   1870   Barron Wood, Cumberland.
Occupation:   Factory worker.
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3 M:   William HOLGATE
Birth:   24 12 1871   Newbiggin By Appleby, Westmorland.
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4 M:   John HOLGATE
Birth:   15 5 1873   Newbiggin By Appleby, Westmorland
Occupation:   General Labourer.
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5 M:   Issac HOLGATE
Birth:   1876   Guisborough, NRY.
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6 F:   Ellen HOLGATE
Birth:   1877   Langwathby, Cumberland.
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7 F:   Jane HOLGATE
Birth:   1878   Hull, ERY.
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8 M:   Benjamin HOLGATE
Birth:   1879   Hull, ERY.
Occupation:   General Labourer.
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9 M:   James Henry HOLGATE
Birth:   20 7 1880   39 Upper Duke St., Soutport, Lancashire.1
Occupation:   Carman
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10 M:   Thomas HOLGATE
Birth:   1884   Scrattage, Middlesex.
Occupation:   General Labourer.


Notes for William HOLGATE
1871 Census recs.
Dwelling: New Biggin Village
Census Place: New Biggin, WES.
William HOLGATE, head, marr., 48, Railway Labour, YKS, Stainforth
Emma Stretton HOLGATE, wife, marr., 27, LEI, Whittick (Whitwick)
Anna HOLGATE, daur., 2, DBY, Unstone
Margaret HOLGATE, daur., 5 months, CUL, Barron Wood
Henry ATKINS, boarder,70, YKS, Ingleton.
John ELVIN, boarder, 30, NFK, Honman.
John LUND, boarder, 56, LAN, Chipping.
Duncan McINTYRE, boarder, 49, Scotland.
William RABY, boarder, 64, LAN, Middleton.
Thomas STANLEY, boarder, 29, WOR, Stourbridge.
1881 Census recs.
Dwelling: 39 Upper Duke St
Census Place: North Meols, Lancashire, England.
Wm. HOLGATE Head M Male 59 Dents Head, YKS, ENG Railway Gauger     
Annie (Emma) Woolerton HOLGATE Wife M Female 33 Wilick (Whitwick), LEI, ENG         
Annie HOLGATE Daur. Female 11 Hunstone (Unstone), DBY, ENG Scholar     
Maggie HOLGATE Daur Female 10 Barnwood (Barron Wood), CUL, ENG Scholar     
William HOLGATE Son Male 9 Newbigan (Newbiggin), WES, ENG Scholar     
John HOLGATE Son Male 7 Newbigan (Newbiggin), WES, ENG Scholar     
Isaac HOLGATE  Son Male 5 Guisborough, NRY, ENG Scholar     
Ellen HOLGATE Daur Female 4 Langwalkby (Langwathby), CUL, ENG         
Jenny HOLGATE Daur Female 3 Hull, ERY, ENG         
Benjamin HOLGATE Son Male 2 Hull, ERY, ENG         
William WHITTAM Boarder U Male 59 Wettick (Whitwick), LEI, ENG Labourer On Railway     
George HATWOOD Boarder W Male 29 Putney, SRY, ENG Labourer On Railway     
Edwin DAVIS Boarder M Male 40  Shrewsbury Railway Gauger     

Notes for James Henry (Child 9)
1881 Census: Spoil Banks, Claylane, Derby, England, James HOLGATE   7 m M Southport, Lancashire, England.   Rel: Gnd Son Joseph STRETTON
1891 Census:  Scrattage, Heston, Spring Grove, Middlesex, James ATTWOOD, stepson, 10, LAN, Southport.
1901 Census: Scrattage Farm, Heston, Middlesex, James HALGATE, stepson, unm., 21, Carman, LAN, Southport.


Sources
1. Birth cert. No.408
James Henry HOLGATE
b.1880, Jul 20th, 39 Upper Duke St., Southport, LANN.
f.William HOLGATE, Contractor's foreman.
m.Emma HOLGATE, formerly WOOLLATON
inf.Emma HOLGATE, her X mark, mother, 39 Upper Duke St., Southport.
reg.1880, Aug 23rd, Ormskirk, LAN.

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Last Modified:   5 6 2007
Created:   5 6 2007

Title: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Tuesday 05 June 07 15:37 BST (UK)
now the ATTWOODs... 8) If you spot any errors let me know...please :'(

Name:   George Gilbert ATTWOOD
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Birth:   1852   Putney, Surrey.
Occupation:   Foreman in Public Works
Other Spouses:   
Marriage:   1888   Brentford, Middlesex.
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Spouse:   Emma WOOLERTON
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Birth:   1850   Whitwick,  Leicestershire
Father:   Joseph STRETTON (1829-1898)
Mother:   Ellen WOOLERTON (1828-1902)
Other Spouses:   William HOLGATE

Children:
----------------------------------------
1 M:   George ATTWOOD
Birth:   1889   Scrattage, Middlesex.


Notes for George Gilbert ATTWOOD
1891 Census recs.
Census Place: Scrattage, Heston, Spring Grove, Middlesex,
George ATTWOOD, head, marr., 39, SRY, Putney
Emma Holgate ATTWOOD, wife, 41, Liechtenstein (LEI), Witch (Whitwick)
Alfred ATTWOOD, son, unm., 17, CUL, Cugat (Culgaith).
George ATTWOOD, son, 2, Cugat, (Culgaith) CUL?
Margaret ATTWOOD, stepdaur., unm., 20, CUL, Barnwood (Barron Wood).
William ATTWOOD, stepson, unm., 19, WES, Pewbridger?
John ATTWOOD, stepson, unm., 17, WES, Pewbridger?
Ellen ATTWOOD, stepdaur., 15, CUL, Wortley?
Issac ATTWOOD, stepson., 15, MDX, Scrattage?
Jane ATTWOOD, stepdaur., 13, ERY, Hull.
Benjamin ATTWOOD, stepson, 12, ERY, Hull.
James ATTWOOD, stepson, 10, LAN, Southport.
Thomas ATTWOOD, stepson, 7, MDX, Scrattage.
Thomas ELBURY, boarder, 18, MDX, Scrattage
1901 Census recs.
Dwelling: Scrattage Farm
Census Place: Heston, Middlesex
George ATTWOOD, head, 45, Foreman in Public Works, SRY, Putney
Emma Holgate ATTWOOD, wife, 51, LEI, Witick (Whitwick)
Joseph ATTWOOD, son, unm., 25, Ganger in Public Works, LAN, Newchurch
George ATTWOOD, son, 12, at school, MDX, Scrattage.
Margaret HALGATE, stepdaur., unm., 30, Factory Hand, CUL, Buranmore? (Barron Wood).
John HALGATE, stepson, unm., 27, Ganger? in Public Works, WES, Newbegin (Newbiggin)
Jane HALGATE, stepdaur., unm., 23, ERY, Hull
Ben HALGATE, stepson, unm., 22, General Labourer, ERY, Hull
James HALGATE, stepson, unm., 21, Carman, LAN, Southport
Thomas HALGATE, stepson, unm., 19, General Labourer, MDX, Scrattage
Samuel BIRD, grandson, 2, LDN, Kensington
John LEE, boarder, 20, SSX, Burwash.
Thomas PERKINS, boarder, 19, MDX, Heston.
Tom SAUNDERS, boarder, 34, SSX, East Bourne.



Notes for Emma WOOLERTON
1851 Census: Silver St., Whitwick, LEI, Emma WOOLOTON, grand daur. Benjamin WOOLERTON, 1, LEI, Whitwick.
1861 Census: Whitwick, LEI, Emma Woolerton STRETTON, daur., 11, seamer, Whitwick, LEI.
1871 Census: New Biggin Village, New Biggin, WES, Emma Woolerton HOLGATE, wife, marr., 27, LEI, Whittick (Whitwick).
1881 Census: 39 Upper Duke St., North Meols, Lancashire, England, Annie (Emma) Woolerton HOLGATE Wife M Female 33 Wilick (Whitwick), LEI, ENG   
1891 Census:  Scrattage, Heston, Spring Grove, Middlesex, Emma Holgate ATTWOOD, wife, 41, Liechtenstein (LEI), Witch (Whitwick).
1901 Census: Scrattage Farm, Heston, Middlesex, Emma Holgate ATTWOOD, wife, 51, LEI, Witick (Whitwick)


Notes for George Gilbert & Emma (Family)
1888, 2nd qtr., Marriages Index, Brentford, Vol 7a, Page 147


Notes for George (Child 1)
1891 Census:  Scrattage, Heston, Spring Grove, Middlesex, George ATTWOOD, son, 2, CUL, Cugat (Culgaith)?
1901 Census: Scrattage Farm, Heston, Middlesex, George ATTWOOD, son, 12, scholar, MDX, Scrattage.

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Last Modified:   5 6 2007
Created:   5 6 2007

Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: Tati on Tuesday 05 June 07 15:41 BST (UK)
How can you tell Emma was Joseph Stretton's daughter?  :-\
Title: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Tuesday 05 June 07 15:45 BST (UK)
Won't know unless I get the bc... ::) but... ;)

1861 Census recs.
Census Place: Whitwick, LEI
Joseph STRETTON, head, marr., 34, coal miner, Whitwick, LEI.
Ellen STRETTON, wife, marr., 31, seamer, Whitwick, LEI.
Emma STRETTON, daur., 11, seamer, Whitwick, LEI.
Mary Ann STRETTON, daur., 9, Whitwick, LEI.
Elizabeth STRETTON, daur., 3, Whitwick, LEI.
Henry STRETTON, son, 8 mths., Whitwick, LEI.
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: Tati on Tuesday 05 June 07 15:49 BST (UK)
I know it says daughter but relationships as seen on census aren't always 100% accurate. Probably even the birth cert wouldn't tell the father's name ...   
Title: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Tuesday 05 June 07 15:52 BST (UK)
You are right ::) but in 1881 they are calling James HOLGATE grand son. ;D

1881 Census recs.
Dwelling: Spoil Banks
Census Place: Claylane, Derby, England
Joseph STRETTON M 57  M Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG.  Rel: Head.  Occ: Coal Miner.
Ellen Woolerton STRETTON   Wife   M   Female   56   Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG 
Harry STRETTON U 21  M Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG.   Rel: Son.   Occ: Coal Miner
Ellen STRETTON U 19  F Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG.   Rel: Daur.   Occ: Domestic Serv Unemployed
Oliver STRETTON   14  M Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG.   Rel: Son. Occ: Scholar
Alma STRETTON   12  F Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG.   Rel: Daur.   Occ: Scholar
Thoreta STRETTON   8  F Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG.   Rel: Daur.   Occ: Scholar.
James HOLGATE   7 m M Southport, Lancashire, ENG.   Rel: Gnd Son
Title: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Tuesday 05 June 07 15:53 BST (UK)
Just noticed something on the 1871... ::) now where di she come from... ;D

1871 Census recs.
Dwelling: 15 Thornborough.
Census Place: Swannington, Coalville, LEI.
Joseph STRETTON, head, marr., 42, coal miner, LEI, Hugglescote.
Ellen Woolerton STRETTON, wife, marr., 40, LEI, Markfield.
Mary Ann, daur., 20, charwoman, LEI, Whitwick.
William, son, unm., 18, lamplighter, LEI, Whitwick, crippled knee.
Elizabeth, daur., 14, LEI, Whitwick.
Harry, son, 11, brickyard labourer, LEI, Whitwick.
Ellen, daur., 9, scholar, LEI, Whitwick.
Ann, 6, scholar, LEI, Packington.
Oliver, son, 3, LEI, Whitwick.
Alice, daur., 1, LEI, Whitwick.
Elizabeth WOOLERTON, niece, 10, scholar, LEI, Whitwick.
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: Tati on Tuesday 05 June 07 17:21 BST (UK)
1881 Census recs.
Dwelling: Spoil Banks
Census Place: Claylane, Derby, England
Joseph STRETTON M 57  M Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG.  Rel: Head.  Occ: Coal Miner.
Ellen Woolerton STRETTON   Wife   M   Female   56   Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG 
Harry STRETTON U 21  M Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG.   Rel: Son.   Occ: Coal Miner
Ellen STRETTON U 19  F Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG.   Rel: Daur.   Occ: Domestic Serv Unemployed
Oliver STRETTON   14  M Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG.   Rel: Son. Occ: Scholar
Alma STRETTON   12  F Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG.   Rel: Daur.   Occ: Scholar
Thoreta STRETTON   8  F Hugglescote, Leicester, ENG.   Rel: Daur.   Occ: Scholar
.
James HOLGATE   7 m M Southport, Lancashire, ENG.   Rel: Gnd Son
I think the girl age 12 is Alice. No idea what Thoreta should be (the image is blurred) but I somehow doubt it's her name. Have you searched for birth registrations on FreeBMD?  :)
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Tuesday 05 June 07 19:16 BST (UK)
I haven' got that far yet since I've been concentrating on son Henry - the great grandfather.

Thought it may be Theresa ::)
Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: wildgoose on Tuesday 05 June 07 19:21 BST (UK)
Name:   Joseph STRETTON
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Birth:   1829   Whitwick, Leicestershire
Baptism:   25 8 1833   Ravenstone, Leicestershire
Death:   17 11 1898   Spoils Bank, Clay Cross, Derbyshire1
Occupation:   Collier
Religion:   Church of England
Father:   Thomas STRETTON (1799-1870)
Mother:   Mary FINCH (1796-1858)
Marriage:   4 3 1851   Whitwick, Leicestershire2
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Spouse:   Ellen WOOLERTON
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Birth:   1828   Hugglescote, Leicestershire
Baptism:   1830   Markfield, Leicestershire
Death:   29 12 1902   Broadleys, Clay Cross3
Occupation:   Collier's wife
Religion:   Church of England
Father:   Benjamin WOOLERTON (1794-)
Mother:   Mary COOK (1796-)

Children:
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1 F:   Emma WOOLERTON (Illegitimate)
Birth:   1850   Whitwick,  Leicestershire
Spouse:   William HOLGATE
Spouse:   George Gilbert ATTWOOD
Marriage:   1888   Brentford, Middlesex.
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2 F:   Mary Ann STRETTON
Birth:   24 6 1851   Whitwick, Leicestershire4
Spouse:   John BARTON
Marriage:   1873   Chesterfield, Derbyshire.
Spouse:   Thomas DAVIES
Marriage:   1876   Chesterfield, Derbyshire
Spouse:   Thomas GROOM
Marriage:   1886   Chesterfield, Derbyshire.
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3 M:   William STRETTON
Birth:   1853   Whitwick, Leicestershire
Occupation:   Bootmaker.
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4 F:   Elizabeth STRETTON
Birth:   1857   Whitwick,  Leicestershire
Occupation:   Sempstress.
Spouse:   Henry OLDFIELD
Marriage:   9 8 1875   North Wingfield, Derbyshire
Spouse:   George JAMES
Marriage:   3 9 1882   Chesterfield, Derbyshire.
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5 M:   Henry STRETTON
Birth:   11 8 1860   Whitwick,  Leicestershire5
Death:   5 6 1907   33 Bowling St., Mansfield, Nottinghamshire6
Occupation:   Collier
Religion:   Church of England
Spouse:   Sarah Ann GOODWIN
Marriage:   12 7 1885   Parish Church, Clay Cross, Derbyshire7
Spouse:   Alice WATSON
Marriage:   29 12 1897   Parish Church, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire.8
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6 F:   Ellen STRETTON
Birth:   1863   Hugglescote, Leicester
Death:   9 4 1933   25 Chantry Rd., Lupset.9
Occupation:   Wife of fish fryer
Religion:   Church of England
Spouse:   Arthur WHETTON
Marriage:   30 1 1882   Parish Church, Clay Cross, Derbyshire10
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7 F:   Ann STRETTON
Birth:   1865   Packington, Leicestershire.
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8 M:   Oliver STRETTON
Birth:   8 3 1868   Silver St., Whitwick, Leicstershire11
Occupation:   Coal miner (hewer)
Religion:   Church of England
Spouse:   Elizabeth FLINT
Marriage:   21 5 1888   North Wingfield Parish Church12
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9 F:   Alice STRETTON
Birth:   1870   Whitwick,  Leicestershire
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10 F:   Thoreta STRETTON
Birth:   1873   Hugglescote, Leicester
Occupation:   Factory worker


Notes for Joseph STRETTON
1841 Census: Whitwick, LEI, Joseph, 12, LEI.
1851 Census: 1851 Census: Silver St., Whitwick, LEI, Joseph STRETTON, son in law Benjamin WOOLERTON, marr., 22, labourer, LEI, Whitwick.
1861 Census recs.
Census Place: Whitwick, LEI
Joseph STRETTON, head, marr., 34, coal miner, Whitwick, LEI.
Ellen Woolerton STRETTON, wife, marr., 31, seamer, Whitwick, LEI.
Emma STRETTON, daur., 11, seamer, Whitwick, LEI.
Mary Ann STRETTON, daur., 9, Whitwick, LEI.
Elizabeth STRETTON, daur., 3, Whitwick, LEI.
Henry STRETTON, son, 8 mths., Whitwick, LEI.
1871 Census recs.
Dwelling: 15 Thornborough.
Census Place: Swannington, Coalville, LEI.
Joseph STRETTON, head, marr., 42, coal miner, LEI, Hugglescote.
Ellen Woolerton STRETTON, wife, marr., 40, LEI, Markfield.
Mary Ann, daur., 20, charwoman, LEI, Whitwick.
William, son, unm., 18, lamplighter, LEI, Whitwick, crippled knee.
Elizabeth, daur., 14, LEI, Whitwick.
Harry, son, 11, brickyard labourer, LEI, Whitwick.
Ellen, daur., 9, scholar, LEI, Whitwick.
Ann, 6, scholar, LEI, Packington.
Oliver, son, 3, LEI, Whitwick.
Alice, daur., 1, LEI, Whitwick.
Elizabeth WOOLERTON, niece, 10, scholar, LEI, Whitwick.

1881 - See above

1891 Census recs.
Dwelling: Spoil Banks.
Census Place: Clay Lane, Clay Cross DBY.
Joseph STRETTON, head, marr., 65, coal miner, LEI, Hugglescote.
Ellen Woolerton STRETTON, wife, marr., 60, coal miner's wife, LEI, Shaw Lane.
William STRETTON, son, unm., 38, shoemaker, LEI, Whitwick.
Theresa (Thoreta) STRETTON, daur., unm., 18, factory girl, DBY, Clay Cross.



Title: Re: James Henry HOLGATE
Post by: stephen_wsi on Saturday 21 July 07 19:29 BST (UK)
Hi

I am Emma Woolerton's g-g-g-grandson. I see you have been grappling with the same questions regarding proof of her relationship with Joseph Stretton as I have.

I am currently doing a 3 week tour of the UK, visiting some of the villages associated with the Woolerton and the Holgates. I was in Whitwick last week. The house that Emma Woolerton (and Ellen/Joseph Stretton) was at in 1851 is still there.

By the way, family lore has it that the Holgates were Quakers. This might explain why we can't find their marriage certificate.

I have pictures of the house and Margaret Holgate, my g-g-grandmother.

Incidentally, Emma Wollerton went from rags to riches. Her two husbands were both workers on the Settle-Carlisle railway it seems. When Emma and George (the ex-lodger) went to Scrattage it seems George become a succesful contractor and their daughters married into rich families. Margaret didn't, however, staying at home with her mother Emma until late in life. She eventually married a James Beasley. I was born in Isleworth, just next to Heston (where Scrattage Farm use to lie).

By the way, someone has researched the Strettons way back. Only for me (us) the critical question is if Joseph Stretton really was her father.

A kind lady in Whitwick has given me a contact in the local history society. Perhaps this will yield something.

Regards

Stephen Hart