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I am seeking any information about Esther Day who was born about 1802 at Padstow, Cornwall.
I believe that she married a William Cuming (place/date) unknown and moved to Devon. They had 4 children as follows:
Harry d.o.b. unknown
William Henry Cuming born 1832 at Plymouth
Esther W. Cuming born circa 1835 at Plymouth
Hannah Cuming born 1841 at Plymouth
If anyone knows anything about Esther Day, especially her parents/birth details I would be grateful for any assistance.
:)
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Hi
In 1841
Charles the Martyr, Gibbons Street
William CUMING 39 ship owner born in county
Ester Day cuming 38 Not born in county
William Cuming 9 BIC
Wilson B Cuming 10 BIC
Ester W Cuming 6 BIC
Hannah Cuming 1 BIC
Betsey Glanville 40 F S BIC
Elizabeth Meth?? 29 BIC
will see what else I can find
Deb :)
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Hi Deb
Thank you for this - looks like you are onto the right family here. The address is a bit strange - presumably it is a pub?
I will be very interested to see what else can be found.
:)
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Charles the Martyr is the parish
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Plymouth/Charles/index.html
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Hi Coonwarra
Charles the Martyr is a parish in Devon
in 1851: they are still there.
new address though
5 Brunswark? ter.
Charles the Martyr
W. Bennett Cumming head mar 48 Lloyds surveyor b Dartmouth Devon
Ester Day Cumming wife mar 48 b Cornwall Padstow
Ester W Cumming dau single 16 b Plymouth
Hannah Dau single 10 scholar b Plymouth
will try to find Wilson B and William....
deb
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Hi again
I don't know if you have this,....
IGI extracted record
Christening:
William Bennett Cuming
8 Aug 1802
Townstal or st Clement, Dartmouth, Devon
parents:
William Cuming and Hannah
still looking for his marraige to Ester Day
Deb :)
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Hi
1861:
St Andrew, plymouth
Lansdown place
Wm. B Cumming head Mar 50 ship owner/ L surveyor b Dartmouth
Hannah dau single 20 b Plymouth
2 servants
marriage:
Esther W Cuming
James Fraser Bromham
Mar Quarter 1860 Plymouth Devon
in 1861:
Barnstaple, devon
Trinity street
James F Bromham head mar 26 solicitor b Plymouth
Esther W " 26 b Plymouth
------- Bromham son 1 month b Barnstaple
ESTHER CUMING mother-in-law mar 57 gentlewoman b padstow
and 1 servant and a nurse
deb
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Hi Deb
Thank you for looking up these census records for me.
I have just discovered from another Rootschatter that Esther Day was in fact Esther Day Wilson and that her parents were a George Wilson and a Patty ???
According to the IGI Esther Day Wilson was christened 9 Feb 1805 at Padstow. I guess the next task is to try to establish who this George Wilson & Patty are. I could not find a marriage for them in the IGI. I wonder whether they might still have been around the Padstow area at the time of the 1841 census?
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Hi,
That baptism you have is as it appears.
George WILSON of this Town = Martha DAY same spinster by Licence 20 Feb 1798 Padstow both signed witnesses Charles H ? and Eliz ? (Sorry but not Wilson or Day)
Cheers Kris :D
NOTE: Rechecking just see you say Patty. I thought it said Polly - will clarify directly
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Hi
welllll....ummmmmm....I cannot find a George or Patty Wilson in Cornwall at all . neither the 1841 or 1851 census
Deb
ps ...great find Kris ...how does Martha become Patty???????? lol
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OK, rechecked and I am going to stick with my Polly. I admit the o could be an a but I think they are definitely ll not tt. very clearly no strokes, and the vicar did seem to generally cross his ts. I did not cross my mind that it was anything but Polly when I checked, but only when I saw IGI had Patty. My recheck again I saw Polly not Patty. Also Polly is a know nickname for Martha ;)
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Hi Kris
I think 'Polly' was a nickname for several names ... My nan was called Violet Venie Penfold aka POLLY ...as in Polly put the kettle on lalalalala ;D
deb
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hiya
Why can I not find a record of Esther Day Wilson's marriage to William Cuming?
Grrrrrrr :-\
Deb
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:)
BTW ...while I am looking for Esther Day ...I keep singing this tune .....
lalalal....Yesterdayyyyyy all my troubles seemed so far away......lalalala
or we could sing ....Esther Day all my troubles ..... lalalalalala etc
I know, I know I am silly ... no offense or is it offence ..... ;D
deb
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The marriage of Esther and William Cumming did not occur in Padstow, nor can I find it listed elsewhere in Cornwall. Devon seems Likely.
Martha (Polly) will not appear on the census - I can see no burial nor remarriage listed for George Wison in Padstow pre 1841 nor does he appear on the 1841 census for Padstow.
Martha WILSON was buried Padstow on the 18 Mar 1823 aged 49 of Padstow
Hope it helped........Kris :D
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hi all
Okay going back to what I CAN find.....
1871 census
William, B Cuming head mar 68 ship owner b Dartmouth
Esther wife mar 68 b Padstow
and 2 servants
Blimey...
1881
Stoke Damerel
Tavistock Rd (outlands)
John E Scott head mar 49 Magistrate for Devonport retired merchant b Stoke Damerel
Hannah Scott wife mar 40 b Plymouth
Ettie ? dau unm 17
Rose dau 16
Grace M dau 10 b stoke Damerel
Archibald son 9 b " "
Katherine M B dau 8 "
Charlotte aunt 86 annuitant b Halberton, Devon
Esther D CUMING mother-in-law 78 b Padstow, Cornwall
William B CUMING father-in-law 78 ship owner B Dartmouth
lots of servants
deb ;D
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Hi again
There is this death
Esther Day Cuming
b 1882
d 1892 Mar quarter
Stoke Damerel
I have looked on original and I think the age of Esther when passing is 80 and not 8... maybe Kris can check for me ..... :D
In 1891 Esther D Cuming (87) is still living with her daughter Hannah Scott and her son-in-law in Stoke Damerel. She is a widow :'(
here is William Bennett Cuming's death:
Dec quarter 1886
Stoke Damerel
deb :)
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Now Esther did have a brother who did stay in Padstow when not at sea. (Sailor, mariner) at childrens baptisms. In 1841 we find children Margeritta, Esther, Edward and Eliza (WILSON) in Padstow no parents. In 1851 mother Margaret is there with some children (WILLSON) 1861 WILLSON Hubby is home now "shipowner". So the DAY and CUMMINS families were involved in same business. Maybe another son Henry also a mariner = Mary Carter ;) Will look for baptisms later
For Cornwall Census Free Online see
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,144624.0.html
Peter Day WILSON b Padstow 8 Jan 1802 Parents George and Martha WILSON
also see a double baptism I should throw in here before I go on with Peter
John Day WILSON born 30 Mar 1799 and baptised 11 Aug 1800
George WILSON born 1 July 1800 and baptised 11 Aug 1800 (Parents George and Martha - so looks like Esther's baptism is the only one to list mother as Polly)
Peter Day WILSON OTP Bachelor = Margaretta Christian KUNZE 16 Nov 1824 by Banns Padstow both signed. Witnesses Christain Kunze and Wm E ?
2 burials I spotted by accident in 1839 may be important. Margaretta is German so wouldn't think the name would be too common in Cornwall
KUNZE Catrina Margaretta 7 Apr 1839 aged 80
KUNZE Christian 30 Apr 1839 aged 76
Now Christian is a female name in Cornwall but these people are German so I would think Male.
Cheers Kris ;D
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Now to continue. There are apparently 3 buried together, with a monument
KUNZE Margaretta 4 Apr 1839 aged 81
KUNZE Christian 28 Apr 1839 aged 76
KUNZE Christian 29 Aug 1841 aged 48
(These are death dates taken from the inscription)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cornwallpics/padstow/pages/Christain%20Kunze%20Grave.htm
Cristian the son is a "patient seaman" in Kenwyn in 1841 aged 49
NOTE: 1871 Peter Day WILSON is now in Charles Devon ;)
RG10/2115 Folio 78 Page 44
1 Prospect Street
Charles
Devon
WILSON Peter Day Head 69 b Padstow Ship Owner
WILSON Margaretta C Wife 70 b Hamburg Germany
WILSON Caroline dau 35 Unm b Padstow
WILSON Eliza Dau 30 Unm b Padstow
Interesting sister Esther is also in Charles in 1871 Here is the ref for the entry Deb provided
RG10/2115 Folio 14 Page 22
3 Gascoyne Place
Charles
and here is Peter now widowed in 1881
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mx/
Cheers Kris :D
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A few nice little mentions in The West Briton Advertiser
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad/
Sep 3 1841
At Padstow, after a lingering illness, Mr. Christian KUNZE, aged 18 years.
appears the age here is incorrect From the Parish Register
KUNZE Christian buried 1 Sep 1841 aged 48 years of Padstow Cause of Death Cancer in Stomach
12 Apr 1850
At Padstow, on Tuesday last, Mr H.J. HAM of Plymouth, to Miss M.C. WILSON, eldest daughter of Capt P. WILSON, of the former place.
Friday 13 Dec 1850
At Padstow, on Tuesday last, Capt. Edwin KNIGHT, of the schooner "Pascoe," to Miss Esther WILSON, both of that place.
Oh look the ship named after his daughters
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad/cornwall/1836/misc/apr.html
Best Wishes........Kris
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KRIS....
you are FAB!!!!! How wonderful that you found all the info , especially the article regarding the sloop named after his girls .....wish you could find all my family stuff ,,,,
here's a pat on the back for you KRIS ummmmm no pat on the back smilies.... how about couple kisses :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
I am sure Coonwarra is going to kiss you too
deb :)
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Thanks Deb, :-*
You are real sweetie, I enjoy the hunt. ;D
Kris :D
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OK I found 6 Baptisms to Peter Day WILSON and Margaretta at Padstow
WILSON Margaretta Christiana 13 Sep 1825 Father Mariner of Padstow
WILSON Ester Martha 5 Apr 1827 Father Seaman of Padstow
WILSON Edward Day 13 Jan 1831 Father Mariner of Padstow
WILSON Henry 3 Jun 1833 Father Sailor of Padstow
WILSON Caroline 25 Nov 1835 Father Sailor of Padstow
WILSON Eliza 1 May 1838 Father Mariner of Padstow
That should keep you buzy ;D
Cheers Kris :D
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Just found your thread through a message sent from Kris. This is all such fabulous info. Our branch of the family descends through Esther Day Wilson's brother Peter Day Wilson. His son Henry (3 Jun 1833) was also a Master Mariner/Shipowner and married Mary Carter (chr 26 Aug 1834) who was the daughter of Thomas Carter, shipwright. They had 8 children (one died as an infant, Mary Alice) and lived in Padstow until they relocated to Essex prior to emigrating to Canada in the 1880's. Their oldest child, Harry Arthur Wilson (born at sea), stayed in England and was a stationer. I've been trying to track the Kunze's back to Altona, Denmark, but it's a little tricky as Altona was essentially a suburb of Hamburg under Danish rule until 1864. Probably why Margaretta lists her birthplace as Hamburg, Germany on census records. I believe the headstone inscription in the Padstow churchyard is for Margaretta Christiana Kunze's parents and brother. Still need to prove that, however. Everything posted so far agrees completely with what I've got in my records, included the identity of the mysterious "Polly."
Anyway, Henry's branch of the family came to Saskatchewan, Canada and homesteaded to spread out over much of the western provinces. Interested to hear how everyone else links up.
Still not sure where George Wilson (Martha Day's husband) came to be in Cornwall. There is a Wilson branch of mariners from Scotland that could link up somehow, but that too needs corroboration. Anxious to hear from anyone else.
E-mail me please!!!
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this is the link to the headstone picture for the Kunze's
http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=21222992%40N00&q=padstow+%26+Kunze&m=text
It's actually a very clear picture, considering.
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Hi Deb ;D
So happy that Kris gave you this thread! I am sure Coonwarra is going to be ecstatic to have found a family member who has so much info!! :)
I wonder if someone could figure out your relationship to each other ..... Kris...come on ...figure it out for us :D :D
deb
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Hi
Many thanks to Kris & Deb USA for all their hard work here and also to Debco for making contact and supplying so much info. I had no idea that my posting would result in so much detailed information being provided.
My reason for trying to find out more about Esther Day Wilson is because she was the grandmother of Capt Robert Falcon Scott, the famous explorer.
We have an old family story that my gt grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Hammond, was related to Scott - possibly a cousin of his mother. When I tried to prove this link I found that nobody appeared to have really traced Scott's ancestry properly and decided to find out what I could.
I had asked in another posting on this site whether anyone is interested in Capt. Scott and whether they could assist me in looking at Mary Elizabeth Hammond's possible link to him. She was born in Dublin in 1868, the daughter of Thomas Hammond and Agnes Templeton. I have been unable to trace their marriage and as many of the census records appear not to have survived I cannot even say when or where they were born. Obviously this does not make the task any easier!!!
I had hoped that by tackling things in a 'back to front' way i.e. tracing Scott's ancestry that I might stumble my way back to an Irish connection.
So far, however, I have not found any Irish links in Capt Scott's direct lines, although I have heard stories that some of his family did originate there. Scott's wife, Edith Bruce, certainly had Irish ancestry, so I am beginning to wonder whether the connection might in fact lie with her.
Thanks again to all who have helped so far.
Hopefully the mystery will be solved eventually.
:)
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oh my :D
How fab That Hannah Scott nee Cuming had a famous son ... did not realise that when I posted the 1881 census where Esther Day and hubby are living with them ;D
So somehow we have to link up Hammond with Cuming/Scott Familes :-\ ::) :o
I do so love a mystery....I'm on board...so to speak LOL
deb
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hiya everyone :)
1901 census:
80 Queen Rd, Chelsea, London
Hannah scott head wid 60 b Plymouth
ROBERT F son S 32 Commander Royal Navy b devon Stoke Damerel
Grace M dau s 30 b Stoke Damerel
and 2 servants...
deb
PS through all of this searching ...I have not seen an Irish link ... or maybe I missed something as I was not looking for it .... ::) 8)
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Hi debco,
Glad you have joined us. Sorry coonwarra isn't actually connected to you as yet.
Sounds fascinating trying to figure out these Kunze's. Your Photo is clearer than the one I found. I could not read the Altona Denmark on there, sounds like you have learned more about the place and the connection to Hamburg, so that is good news. :D
Pity you already had all the records I had found so far. I had hoped I may have found some you didn't have. Let me know if you are missing any and I will go through the fiche for you. ;)
Children missing in census etc I am guessing they may have travelled with their father. I didn't find Henry till he was married and had to find the baptism to be sure he was one of Peter's. I suspected he was by his occupation but he had not appeared in a census with his family. I see Henry Arthur's baptism lists a birth date but not that he was born at sea. Going through microfiche is very time consuming and I haven't looked for what became of John Day and George. Do you have them?
An explorer, how fascinating. :'( Would you believe I grew up on stories of another famous explorer and aviator Sir Hubert Wilkins my Grandma's Cousin....... :'( Lies all lies. First I thought he must have been her second cousin when I proved they were not first cousins, but no. Not even from the same counties. Dad knew so much about Sir Hubert, had books on him, told stories about him all the time. He died still believing the stories.
I have just found the other threads where coonwarra has been trying to connect up this explorer, so will add them here so we are not duplicating. Will be interesting to see if this does connect
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,237486.msg1286429.html#msg1286429
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,238041.0.html
Cheers Kris :D
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The 1841 census for Outlands has some as yet unidentified Scotts:
Rosa Scott aged 45 not born in county (don't know who she is)
Anne Scott aged 40 (presumably Anne Myers wife of Robert)
Charlotte Scott aged 20 (don't know who she is)
Emma Scott aged 20 (presumably daughter of Robert & Anne)
Rosa Scott aged 12 (presumably daughter of Rosa aged 45?)
Edwin Scott aged 15 (don't know who he is)
John Scott aged 10 (presumably son of Robert & Anne)
plus various servant
:)
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Okay guys
I am trying to wrap my head around this .... How would Mary elizabeth Hammond be related? She was born 1868 Dublin ....
so ... to be a cousin of Robert Falcon Scott ...she would have to be related to Hannah Scott nee Cumings' siblings, or John E Scott's siblings.... ummm I get so confused sometime ....
help me out here...LOL ....
who did Mary Elizabeth Hammond marry????
gosh ...I think I need a glass of wine ;D
deb
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Mary Elizabeth Hammond married Thomas Hannah on 3 Jul 1895 in Dublin. He was from Stirlingshire in Scotland and they moved there after their marriage.
Her parents were Thomas Hammond and Agnes Templeton. This is where the trail goes cold. I have been unable to find the marriage of Thomas Hammond and Agnes Templeton. Also, most of the census docs for Dublin no longer exist, so I don't know when or where either of them were born.
Mary Elizabeth Hammond died young during the 1918 flu pandemic. My reason for looking for a connection to Scott is because she gave each of her 3 children (including my grandmother) a gold American dollar. My grandmother passed her's on to me and told me that her mother had been given these coins by Capt. Scott's mother and that they were related.
Obviously old family stories can often become muddled or exagerrated but I think it is an interesting tale worth investigating. As Scott's wife came from a long line of Irish ancestors I guess it is possible that any connection may actually be through her but I need to check out Scott's ancestry first before going into hers in any great detail.
Time to wrap a warm towel around the head and lie down in a darkened room!
:)
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Hi
If your gr Grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Hannah (b 1868), received gold coins from Hannah Scott nee Cuming (b 1841) , then they would have had to have met up sometime or other in order for Hannah to give Mary E the coin.
In the 1901 census there are a few Mary E Hannah's born Ireland liviing in London.... I wonder if your Mary E Hannah came to London (as this is where Hannah Scott was living in 1901 with Robert F Scott), before going to Scotland to live..??
Can you give us the details of Mary E and Thomas Hannah's children.....
deb :)
PS: I remember doing a project in school (a long time ago ::) ) on Robert Scott and his Antarctic expedition .... in those days we had to use the library books etc ... how much easier would it have been to have had the internet ;D
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Hi again
I have been looking in the BRUCE family.... In all sources (except BMD) regarding Robert F Scott's marriage they say he married Kathleen Bruce. Coonwarra has said that he married EDITH ...
in the 1881 census;
Lloyd S Bruce,( b 1830, Ireland) Canon of York, rector of Carlton is a widower living with his children ....
Wilfred M (6)
Helen J T (4)
Edith A K (3)
I can find no Kathleen ...
Okay ... here is a Birth:
Edith AGNES K Bruce
June Q 1878
Notts, Worksop
Maybe her full name was Edith Agnes K(athleen) Bruce and she went by Kathleen! ::)
Lloyd S Bruce's wife was Jane ..she was born (it looks like) Greece (British Subject) sooo it looks like the Irish side is with Lloyd S BRUCE!
I have google Lloyd S Bruce, Canon of York to find his parentage ...but no luck!
Lloyd S Bruce died Mar Q 1886, Christchurch Hampshire.
Lloyd married JANE SKENE in Dec Q 1863, Oxford Berkshire
all their children were born in England(Yorkshire and Notts).
I cannot find Lloyd in the 1861 census ...maybe he was still in Ireland!
ummmm How can we get Lloyds parents names ...maybe i should research the marriages of all Edith A K Bruce's siblings ( there are many in 1871 census) and see if we can find a marriage to either a Hammond, Templeton or Hannah....
I need coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and Chocolate to keep me going ;D ;)
Deb
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Hi Deb USA (and others)
Your theory of Elizabeth Hammond and her husband Thomas Hannah visiting the Scott's in London is an interesting theory and I guess it is entirely possible. However, I have them in Stirlingshire, Scotland in the 1901 census:
29 Wallace Street, Grangemouth
Thomas Hannah, Head M 33, Railway Clerk, Stirlingshire, Bothkennar
Elizabeth Hannah, Wife M 31, Ireland
Georgina Hannah, Daughter 1
They had 2 further children - Annie McInnes Hannah born June 1901 and Thomas Hammond Hannah born April 1910. All 3 children were born in Stirlingshire.
We know that the Hammond's had lived in Dublin since at least 1868 as Mary Elizabeth Hammond was born there. Mary's sister was in the main Post Office there when the IRA took it over in the Easter rising of 1916. As Protestants they were unable to stay in Dublin and moved to Bangor. From there I believe that a few of them moved to England, although unfortunately I have no names etc.
As far as Capt Scott's wife is concerned I have her as Edith Agnes Kathleen Bruce, daughter of Lloyd Stewart Bruce and Jane Skene. I think that the 1878 birth that you found is most likely her.
I found 2 possible births for her father in the IGI:
Lloyd Stewart Bruce - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1840 Downhill, Londonderry, Ireland
Lloyd Stewart Bruce - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1837 Of, Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland
I think the Londonderry one is most likely. If so, then he was the son of James Robertson Bruce, born 04 Sep 1788 at Downhill, Londonderry - I have not yet identified the mother. This Bruce line can be traced right back to the family of Robert The Bruce King Of Scots and all the way back to the Kings of Upsalla in Sweden - a very impressive lineage indeed!!!!!!
If there is a link to my family then I imagine that it must be via one of the much poorer relations!
I don't know anything about Jane Skene other than her marriage to Lloyd Stewart Bruce. I wonder why her mother was in Greece at the time of her birth? It's all getting very interesting.
:)
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Hi Coonwarra
Well it certainly is getting very interesting ...What a FABULOUS lineage!!
Okay I have been through all the marriages of Edith Agnes Kathleen Bruce's siblings ... Cannot find any that have the surnames we are interested in .
There is an interesting fact though ....Her siblings, as far as I can gather from the 1871 census ( Lloyd and Jane married in 1863) were:
Ellen Mary 1865 IGI extracted christening
Grace Gwendolen 1869 IGI
Irene Mary 1866 IGI
Loe mary cannot find her ...not sure of name
Robert Douglas 1867
big gap in dates now (this is from 1881 census)
Wilfred M 1875 submitted IGI
Helen J T 1877 no IGI info
Edith A K 1878 no IGI
I wonder why some have IGI info and others not and why is there such a big gap between children (almost 8 years)..by 1881 Lloyd the dad is widowed ... too many Jane Bruce's died between 1871 and 1881, although there is one who died in 1878 ...maybe her as Edith A K Bruce was born then ....maybe Jane died in childbirth ...... anyway I am going off on a tangent here .....
Where is the connection ???????? .... I do hope we can find the link so that you can be part of this family! :D
Regarding Lloyd Stewart Bruce ...
In 1871 census : he is 47 (b 1824) Ireland
In 1861census : he is 51 (b 1830) DOWNHILL, Ireland
On the 1871 census his age is hard to read as there is a line through it so it could be that he was 41 ie: b 1830... which would be consistent as I do not think the Canon of York would tell fibs about his age ....well I would hope not ;D
I will look into Jane Skene ...maybe the link is there....
deb
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Blimey ...Coonwarra
Look at this ...
1861;
St Michael, Oxford
Frewen Hall
James Skene head mar 86 Landed proprietor Aberdeenshire b Aberdeenshire
Jane Forbes Skene wife mar 74 b Edinburgh
Felicia Mary F dau unm 39 b ?? France
Jane S Skene granddaughter unm 24born Athens Greece
lots of servants including a butler, lady's maid , house servants
Oh MYYYYYY ..... interesting
deb
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Wow.......my goodness this inquiry is taking us in all sorts of unexpected directions!
:o
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okay
by pure accident I found this .....
1851;
Cornwall, Budock
John M D Skene head Mar 35 Commander Royal Navy b IRELAND
Harriet A " wife mar 20 Lady b SCOTLAND
Georgina L D dau 2 B Scotland
Margaret L sister 29 unm b Scotland
Caroline H Winthrop visitor Lady Kent Dover
marriage:
John McDowell Skene
Harriett anna Wood
1850, Falmouth Cornwall
IGI is down cannot see if they link to Jane Skene b Greece who married the Canon of York who had the daughter who married Capt Scott, who we are hoping has a connection to the Hammond/Templeton/Hannah people .....
arrrggggghhhhhhhhh
deb
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Hi
okay I found Jane SKARE (sic) (mother-in-law to Capt. Robert Falcon Scott) b 1837, Athens , Greece with her Skene family in 1851...
HO107/1728 fol 596 pg 27
I am still not sure how to find a connection to your family, Coonwarra ...but we are finding that there are more Irish connections that just the Bruce family .... that is if we can link Commander John McDowell Skene up with the Skenes of Scotland ....
OOOOOO....
I just found this on IGI - extracted
christening
John Skene
b 2 Feb 1808
c 17 Feb 1808 New Machar, Aberdeen Scotland
parents;
James Skene
Margaret CUMMINE
Could this maybe CUMING ......????????
Just seen a submitted entry for this ... Maragret CUMMING !
will look further
deb
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just for interests sake ....
The name of Edith A K Bruce's (wife of Capt Scott) sister is ZOE Mary Bruce not 'Loe'
another interesting find , although submitted on IGI, is the approx DOB of a ZOE Skene b abt 1839 in GREECE .... could this be Jane S Skene b Greece (mother-in-law ) of Capt. Scott???
I am going nowhere.... I am floundering at sea (pun Intended) ;D
deb
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I think we may have reached the point where we have to throw in the towel on this one.
:-\
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:'(
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:-X
8)
Yep ...I am exhausted...but have learned some things I did not know before....
so thanks for the ' journey' .....
deb ;D
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As a late comer to this thread, I can't help but see some similarities to my own little journey. All the crazy variations on birthplace are easily explained by the occupations of choice for these families. They were all seafarers. And likely all working in the merchant trade. Also, they were probably fond of taking family with them on some of the voyages. Has anyone taken a look at the Lloyd's Register of Captains? There's a good chance that Captain Scott (and some of the rest of the family) are on there with information regarding their ports of call. Sadly, the only repositories of the records are select libraries throughout the world. There's a copy in Salt Lake, one in Ottawa, another couple in England (Maritime Museum and GRO) as well as one in Australia. Don't know if anyone has access to the records, but it might be worth a look.
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Hello Debco
Thank you for your suggestion and what an interesting approach this would be!
Unfortunately, I am a bit far away from the locations that you have mentioned - it's a pity that the records cannot be searched online.
Thanks again
:)
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I know what you mean. The shortest distance for me would be a 12 hour drive to Utah. I keep hoping that I'll manage it someday, since I'd love to take a look at Lloyd's register. The Wilson line were mariners of long standing. If I ever get a chance, I'll be sure and do some looking up for everyone I know. Incidentally, the information regarding Robert Falcon Scott was wonderful. No one in the family realized that there was such a close connection to him. His mother would have been a first cousin to my husband's great-great grandfather. Very exciting.
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Hello all
I was searching for info on Edwin & Esther Knight when I came across a portion of your posts (now must read the rest): however I've also come across another from the Mayer family tree which pasted link for below - it goes back to 1600's.
http://mayer.familytreeguide.com/getperson.php?personID=I574&tree=T1&PHPSESSID=01a8128e27157f2f44755b7141aae537
My paternal grandfather was born in Oct 1901 and was illegitimate. His mother - Annie Lizzie Hayes -entered his name as Herbert Knight (father unknown) on his birth cert, but he grew up with the name Hayes. I know almost nothing about her, but a search of the 1901 census points to a woman with this name being a servant at a Nottingham hospital, a few lines below a Margaretha Gertrude Knight (their daughter) who was a matron there.
I wondered if one of her younger brothers - the unmarried one?? - visited her there, got to 'know' Lizzie, and along came Herbert 9 months later. I've also traced her family and some of Edwin and Esther's, and it appears Lizzie was 1 of 15 children to (possibly) descendants of Catholic immigrants, whereas the Knight family were quite well-to-do. If any of my hypothesis is true then I'm certain Lizzie would not have been a welcome match for the son.
Wouldn't it be great if true, this story was passed down Esther & Edwin’s descendants and they could confirm it! Even better, a 30 year mystery would end up with me being related to a famous explorer, even if he was a 34th cousin 19 times removed (or whatever!). I thought many years ago I heard of a Radage – another ancestor name on mum’s side – was a photographer or similar on one of his expeditions: what a neat tie-up that would be.
Anyway, enough of me rambling on: I hope the link is useful to you.
Redbun