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I am looking for correct birth dates for John Rees [born abt 1777 in Merthyr Tydfil] and married Mary Jones [born abt 1778 in Merthyr Tydfil] on April 9, 1798 in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales.They had the following children: John, William, Elizabeth, Mary, Evan, Ann, Sarah, Suzanne and Ruth. I would love to know their birth dates. I have christening dates but do not know where they came from. I don't know the name of the church the records are in.
Their son, William [born abt 1800] married Maria Mason [born abt 1806]and they lived at 100 High Street. They were married 19 May 1823 in Merthyr. They had the following children- Mary [?], Naomi, John and Maria. Maria Mason Rees died on 10 March 1835 and is buried along with a daughter by the walkway at the church there. Again, I do not know the name of the church.
Any additional information would be SO appreciated!
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I have further information if it will help anyone: The son, William lived at 102 High St. He and his wife, Maria Mason Rees attended the old Wesleyan Church and she and her daughter Naomi are buried along the front walk of the church.
I think the address for John and Mary Jones Rees [William's parents] may not be accurate.
Thanks for looking at my post.
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Cannot help with specific dates dob. Before registration (sept 1837) birth certs were not available so baptism dates are the only source unless by luck they were recorded at baptism.
Think these maybe your people, no William.
1841 - H0107 piece 1415 book 8
Address, Pontmoralais Merthyr Tydfil
All born in the county of Glamorgan
Mary Mason 55
Richard Mason 30 pudler?
Nohomi Rees 13
John Rees 10
Maria Rees 6
A few lines above not the same house there is also a richard Mason age 20, iron miner
Cas
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You found them!!!!
Thanks for the information about the birth certificates. I do have the christening dates. Do you know if they were usually christened by a certain age?
These are the right people but I wonder where the Father is as he didn't die until 1852. Mary Mason must be the grandmother; Richard her son. I wonder now if they are listed in the 1851 census with their father. Interesting.
Again, THANKS SOOOO MUCH for looking this up for me.
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Most of the baptisms for the Mason family are on the IGI other children are Richard, Ann, check the site and put in a parent search.
www.familysearch.org site. Info found here needs to be verified so be careful, submitted records (by anyone)cannot be trusted, only extracted records from the source which are usually church records.
Maria parents were Walter & Mary Rees, here is the marriage confirmed pre 1837 marriages for Glamorgan
Walter Mason - Mary Rees married 23 Nov 1800 at Merthyr Tydfil both of the parish.
Cas
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Oh, my! I am sitting here with tears in my eyes so grateful for all of your information.
Thoughts- Are the names Mary and Maria used interchangeably in Wales? Sometimes I see it as Mary; sometimes as Maria.
Did the men at that time go off to work? The little history of the family that I have [written long ago and the author is dead] just says that the father, William was fully employed and so busy with work that even after the Mother died he had little time to give to the children outside of basic care.
Thanks again!!!! May you have a TERRIFIC day for helping me.
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Pleased to help if I can....and avery warm welcome to rootschat, forgot my manners! :)
Here are the Mason baptisms confirmed from Glam baptisms pre 1837. See note on IGI in above post.
Parents Walter & Mary no occ. given for father
Richard Mason baptised 1/11/1801 address Pontmorlais Merthyr Tydfil
Ann Mason baptised 3/4/1803 address Pontmorlais Merthyr Tydfil
Mary Mason baptised 23/2/1806 address Pontmorlais Merthyr Tydfil
Richard Mason baptised 19/4/1809 address Merthyr Tydfil
Cas
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Thank-you again, my dear. You are certainly a saint in my book today.
I have always looked at the information FamilySearch as "clues" unless a source is stated. I have found a lot of misinformation on my family that I KNOW. But, it is a very good place to start.
Thanks again.
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Hello again,
Just for info there is a person called 'Jon' who appears to have Walter Mason b1780 and Maria Mason b1806 in his/her tree on GenesReunited. May help with sharing info but you have to join this site to make contact.
Also rechecked the IGI earlier, this is submitted info so needs verifing. You may already know this...
It states that William Rees died and was buried 1852 in Bellville, St Clair, Illinois, so it would be worth checking the US board to see if you can find him on the passenger lists etc. I cannot seem to locate them here in 1851, perhaps he left after Naomi died?
It also states on IGI that Naomi died 5/9/1849
freebmd gives her death reg as Sept qtr 1849 Merthyr Tydfil vol 26 page 450 (you could send for this cert to see who informant was and address etc.) This would fit with the death date given on IGI.
IGI states Maria died 1852 no place given - if this daughter had died in Merthyr, she would have prob been buried with mother/sister. I think possibly William, Maria and John went to US after 1849 obviously before 1852. If the submitted info has a grain to verify. Checked freebmd, there is no Merthyr reg for a death in 1852 for Maria Rees, although there are some for other years.
IGI states John died 6/2/1919 no place given
You could try and confirm burials for the Rees/Mason family by contacting www.merthyr.gov.uk. They hold the registers for cems in Merthyr.
The contact I was given in 2006 was Debbie.Hughes[at]merthyr.gov.uk, do not know if she still works there but found her very helpful, worth trying, the Mason family would be easy to find as there were not many with the surname around 1840's.
Hope this helps some
Cas
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You are quite clever figuring out the information regarding the deaths through the IGI... :) I am very impressed. I know the history of William and John once they left Merthyr...and you are correct. After Naomi died William joined the Mormon church [1850] and John joined soon after. I don't know if Maria joined or not but they left for America sailing on the Josiah Bradley. They deported at the Port of New Orleans. Maria stayed with a family in St. Louis by the name of Rogers as she had become ill while Wm. and John went to find work. Maria died. Wm. and John found work in Illinois but were not together. It is said they only saw each other every other week-end. On one of these meetings John was told that his father had died and so he was left alone- an orphan in a new country as a teenager. He somehow made it to Utah. He was a terrific swimmer and saved a few lives from drowning. He had been blinded in one eye from a stray spark from a Blacksmith shop in Merthyr when he was a lad but it is said he could see more with that one eye than most men could see with two! He is my husband's great great grandfather. We are just learning about the Welsh heritage. Unbeknownst to us of that heritage at the time we named our boys- Logan, Trevor and Devin- good strong Welsh names. I tried attaching a picture but can't figure out how to do it. I will try to look up the sites you gave me. Thanks again...
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Great story NY, wonderful when information is passed down through the generations, it gives incite into who our ancestors were.
Going back over the thread, I was intent on research and missed a few of your thoughts and questions. If you google the 'name Mary - Maria'. Mary is given as the English version of Maria or Miriam originating from the bible and the virgin Mary.
I do not know if it was interchangable in Wales around that time, but her mother was Mary, so perhaps Maria's name was written as the English version by others sometimes?
As for Williams work...the main occ around that time in Merthyr was Iron if you google there is quite a lot of information. Others were of course coal mining.
It was not uncommon for children to be brought up by grandparents when the mother died, it seems that Maria may have died in childbirth with her youngest daughter, and namesake possibly. It would be very difficult for the father to work and care for such small children as you mentioned.
The only likely possible for Will in 1841 I can find is possibly living/lodging with John James 25, wife Mary 25 and 2 children under a year old. Although it could be he is on his own...sometimes the strokes enumerators give to end household can be misleading. Ages in the 1841 were nearly always rounded down to the nearest 5 if over 15. So ages are approx.
1841 - H0107 piece 1415 book 6
Address Patient Street ?? Merthyr Tydfil
Wm Rees, 40, coalminer, born in county
Just for info there is also an ancestral file submitted on the IGI for John Rees and Mary Jones 11 children are listed
Cas :)
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Thanks for all of the info... I found something that listed him as a boilermaker. Would that be an occupation in the ironworks?
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It is given as industrial metalworker, so very possible
www.rmhh.co.uk/occup/b2.html
As you can see I am a great fan of google. If you google 'boilermaker ironworks' you can see that is was an old occ in the ironworks.
If you want info on the baptisms confirmed for John & Mary children let me know
Cas
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Are you kidding? I would LOVE that information. You are teaching me many new uses for google... I have so enjoyed "talking" with you. Is there a database for those earlier records that would tell who their parents are?
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Ok will take info from the Ancestral file for John Reese/Mary Jones to see if I can match what is there for you, will also check marriages, may take a while....
'Glamorgan Family History' produce CDs that hold records. I have marriages and baptisms pre 1837. As a member you can ask for look ups, although it is a fee to join annual.
You can also find free info from the 'Glamorgan look up exchange', google for site, there are some that will help for BMD and MI's in the Merthyr area, check it out I have found them very helpful, you may get lucky.
will be back soon...Cas
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Marriage: William Rees - Maria Mason married 19 May 1823 Merthyr Tydfil both of parish (CB) by consent and banns. There is also an extracted record on IGI for this marriage, source is Bishop transcripts 1717-1858 parish church of Merthyr Tydfil, not sure which one is the parish church...think it maybe St Tydfils Cannot find any baptisms for their children.
Marriage: John Rees - Mary Jones married 9 April 1798 Merthyr Tydfil, both of parish (B) by banns
All baptisms of Rees children for John/Mary occ when given for John is miner
John - 25/8/1799 address Kilnhill Merthyr Tydfil
William - 16/9/1800 address Pontmorlais Merthyr Tydfil
Mary - 23/5/1803 address Penydarren Merthyr Tydfil
Elizabeth - 2/10/1804 address Pontmorlais Merthyr Tydfil
Evan - 2/2/1806 address Pontmorlais Merthyr Tydfil
Ann - cannot locate
George - 24/6/1810 address Merthyr Tydfil
Sarah - 9/6/1812 address Merthyr Tydfil
Ruth - 27/11/1814 address Penydarren Merthyr Tydfil
Susannah - 20/2/1814 address Clynwith Merthyr Tydfil
Benjamin - 12/6/1816 address Penydarren Merthyr Tydfil
Cas
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WOW!!! I couldn't wait to get home and see if you had been able to find the dates for John and Mary. I didna't expect find SO much fabulous information! I am not familiar with the terms consent and banns. What do they mean? I will try to find records of that church...who knows? I could get lucky as you say! Thanks again and again and again!
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Hi NY,
Before a couple could be married in the parish church (or elsewhere) their 'banns' (basically this was their names) had to be read to the congregation for 3 consecutive Sundays before the union could be blessed. This allowed the locals to bring notice why they should not be married in church (or not at all) ie bigamy or possibly if the couple were related etc.
Where the couple came from different parishes the banns were read in both. The wedding nearly always took place in the brides parish. Sometimes the parish given is were the people are living and not necessarily were they were born.
Other ways to marry were by licence but this was much more costly, as soon as the licence was issued the couple could marry without delay.
As far as I am aware married by consent would mean that one or both parties were underage and consent of a parent was needed.
The original registers (there would not be certs before sept 1837) are held in Glamorgan Records Office, Cardiff. You could obtain a copy of the entry via email/post for a fee if you wish, do not know if it would hold any other info than I have given, but may hold the name of the person who gave consent in Willam - Maria marriage.
Cas :)
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I see. That is very interesting. Thanks-you for taking the time to explain it.
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No problem, glad to help when I can
Good luck with your research
Best wishes
Cas
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Cannot help with specific dates dob. Before registration (sept 1837) birth certs were not available so baptism dates are the only source unless by luck they were recorded at baptism.
Think these maybe your people, no William.
1841 - H0107 piece 1415 book 8
Address, Pontmoralais Merthyr Tydfil
All born in the county of Glamorgan
Mary Mason 55
Richard Mason 30 pudler?
Nohomi Rees 13
John Rees 10
Maria Rees 6
A few lines above not the same house there is also a richard Mason age 20, iron miner
Cas
I think this is the family I am looking for! Can you help me!?! My ancestors William and his son John and daughter left Merthyr for the United States in 1952. The mother and other daughter died before they left. I am almost positives this tread describes them. I am trying to find out about William's family. Who are his parents and siblings?
Here is his story moving forward if you are interested in what happened to William and John Rees
http://welshmormonhistory.org/index.php?/resources/view/2943
I would be so happy if you could help me!
Angela Rees Roberts