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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Thisty on Friday 22 June 07 10:14 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help me track down Janet Bogle born July 1857 in Biggar? She is the illegitimate daughter of my 3 x gt grandmother Janet Bogle or Wilson. I've found her on the 1861 census living with her mother but then she vanishes ..... and I can't find a death for her either.
Come to think of it .... I haven't got the 1871, 1881 or 1891 census records for her mother either. Is it possible that they were left out of the census? and why can't I find a death ?
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This looks a likely entry for the two Janets in 1871:
Janet Wilson 48, head, housekeeper, b. Biggar
William Wilson 22, son, tailor, b. Biggar
David Wilson 19, son Raiboug Employmant (spl?), b. Biggar
Janet Wilson 14, Message Girl, b. Biggar
William Bogle 59, brother, brothseller, b. Lothian, East
James Cranston 16, visitor, b. Edinburgh
Address: 3 Primrose Place, Edinburgh St Cuthberts
Regards.
Monica
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Janet Snr. living alone in 1881:
Janet Wilson , Formerly Dom. Serv., 56, b. Biggar
Address: 22 Gullau'S Close, Edinburgh Old Church
And a possible entry again for both Janets in 1891 (maybe Janet 1857 married?):
George Nelson 37, Laborer (Lorryman), b. England
Janet Nelson 34, b. Biggar
Andrew Nelson 4, b. Edinburgh
Esther E Nelson 14, b. Edinburgh
Janet Wilson 63, mother in law, b. Biggar
Address: 1 Balfour Str, Leith Edinburgh
Regards.
Monica
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Can't easily see Janet's marriage to George in Scotland, but this is the family in 1881:
George Nelson, 27, Farm Labourer (Ag), b. Raskelf, York, England
Janet Nelson, b. Biggar
Esther Eliza Nelson, 4, b. Edinburgh
Census place: Barkstone Ash, York, England
If you have a look at the children's birth certs., this should include date and place of George and Janet's marriage (and confirm Janet's maiden name as Wilson which I haven't been able to do so far).
Regards.
MOnica
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WOW! thanks Monica !
So Janet Jnr's name was changed to Wilson ......which would explain why my Bogle search was coming up blank, and mother Janet has knocked 10 years off her age as well (naughty)
I'll get a look at Esther's birth certificate as soon as I have topped up my credits for SP.
:D
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Janet Jnr. birth entry in 1857 in Biggar was down as Wilson so this is how she was registered from birth. Janet Snr. seems to have gone by Wilson in all the censuses that I have seen from 1871.
I've lost Janet Jnr in 1901 (can't easily see a death for her either in Scotland with names Wilson/Nelson). Mother Janet looks to be living with son William Wilson in 1901. Everyone showing as born in Edinburgh apart from Janet and son William:
Janet Wilson 83, mother, b. Biggar
William Wilson 54, tailor, b. Biggar
Catherine Wilson 42
Janet Wilson 19
Maggie Wilson 13
Martha Wilson 11
Mary Wilson 9
William Wilson 7
George Wilson 6
David Wilson 5
Stewart Wilson 5 Mo
James Mills 48, boarder
John Pathison 26, boarder
Address: 19 Salisbury St, Edinburgh St Margaret
Regards.
Monica
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Janet and George may have moved down to England by 1901 (could explain why no deaths showing on SP). Janet showing as widow in Harrogate Yorkshire:
Janet Nelson 39, b. Scotland
Andrew Nelson 14, b. Scotland
Joseph Rees 40, boarder
Charles Andrew 27, boarder
Monica :)
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh ok this is going to make things confusing lol.
There is another mother daughter pair also in Biggar also both called Janet Wilson.
My Janet jnr was definately recorded as Bogle as I have her birth certificate (father unknown). Having said that ...... the 1871 census that you found is definately the right family so her name was changed to Wilson at some point.
I had a look at Esther's birth certificate (the joys of a partner who doesn't mind me playing with his credit card) and to make things even more confusing her mother is listed as STUART Wilson :s although Janet Snr did also have a daughter called Stewart so still a possible connection.
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This was the birth entry I was referring to:
JANET WILSON Birth: 05 JUL 1857 Biggar, Lanark, Scotland
Parents: Mother: JANET WILSON OR BOGLE
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oh! definately the correct one then lol. Would it have been common for a child to be recorded as illegitimate if the father had died before the birth? Her birth certificate definately has her as Janet Bogle. I cannot find a death for Janet's husband David Wilson to confirm if he coudl possibly be Janet's father or not.
Re: the Nelsons :D Thankyou. I have found their marriage and there is a definate link to my family but not through Janet. It was her sister Stewart who married George Wilson but she was next on my list to track down so it's all good :D
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I would not have thought that daughter Janet would have been registered as illegitimate simply because her father died in the months before she was born. Her father's name would have been included in her birth cert and he would show as deceased at the time of her birth.
Given that is not the case, and if Janet was married to a David Wilson, I can only assume that he died before Janet b. 1857 was conceived and she was illegitimate.
Regards.
Monica
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Is this David Wilson and Janet in 1851, everyone showing as born in Biggar:
David Wilson 27, Hand Loom Weaver
Janet Wilson 27
Christia Wilson 5
William Wilson 3
David Wilson 10 Mo
David Bogle 9, wife's son
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That's them :)
my gt gt grandfather is Janet's son David Bogle. That's the last I can find of David Wilson.
I just checked the census image for the Nelson family and the mother is definately Janet .... badly recorded? or could Stewart have changed her name?
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Which census - the 1901 in England? I think it is an illegible (?) Janet as recorded. Matches the 1891 Janet with son Andrew.
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It was the 1891 census image I viewed. Children Esther E and Andrew (adopted).
George Nelson's mother is named as Esther on his marriage certificate to Stewart Wilson so the daughter named Esther tied with Janet Wilson mother in law makes me sure this is the right family ....... the name change from Stewart to Janet is frustrating tho :s
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Confusing or what ???
This is the family's 1861 entry in Biggar:
Janet B Wilson 41
William Wilson 13
David Wilson 10
Stewart Wilson 8
Janet Bogle 3
William Bogle 51, brother
So we certainly have a female Stewart daughter born c. 1853 and then Janet Bogle/Wilson b. 1857.
I see what you mean about the Marriage Cert. though. It does show bride as Stewart Wilson (parents David W and Janet Bogle). Her age shows as 22 (which is circa Janet's age).
A getting very confused Monica!
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lol sorry ...... this line has a habit of throwing nasty little puzzles like this at me.
It occured to me that perhaps Stewart had died and George married her sister ......... but I can't find either a death for Stewart OR a re-marriage for George so it looks like that's not the case either.
What I would give for a family bible right now lol
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:P It's almost as if Janet stepped into Stewart's shoes sometime after the wedding in 1876 and the birth of Esther.....
We have:
1861: Stewart, 8 and Janet, 3 (census)
1871: No sign of Stewart and Janet, 14 (census)
1876: Marriage Stewart 22, so close to her birth year c. 1853 (marriage cert.)
1881: No sign of Stewart, Janet in England age 23 with George and Esther (census)
1891: Janet 34 and George back in Edinburgh with Esther and Andrew (census)
1901: Janet 39 widowed in England (census) with 'adopted' son Andrew
No marriage for Janet and George (maybe they didn't marry) and no deaths for Stewart. You wouldn't think that George and Janet had run off together to England given that they are back living with Janet's mother by 1891...maybe it was Stewart that ran away!
Good puzzle you have here Thisty!
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The only possibility I can see for Stewart in 1871 (shows on SP index), I think birth place may be mistrascribed on other index. Working at the Armson household:
Stewart Wilson 18, domestic servant, b. Rigger, Lanarkshire
Address: 2 Allanton Ter, Govan Lanarkshire
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It certainly is a puzzle lol. And you are right it is exactly like Stewart marries George and then takes on Janets name and age.........or alternatively..... Stewart marries George then something happens and he gets together with Janet
Like you I had considered the possibility of scandal (ooooooooooh) but as you say that is unlikely as they remain close to Janet Snr.
A death for either of these would probably be helpful at the moment, think I'll make that my next mission *fingers crossed*