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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: wimk on Friday 13 July 07 12:00 BST (UK)
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Hi i am writing a book about the Italian Communities in England, in particular the Bedford and Birmingham Communities, any stories or Pictures or any Information would be very much appreciated. All information or Pictures i receive will be kept private to me and only used in the book, the sender will be thanked in the preface to the book Thank you, Franco.
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Hello Wimk.
My great grandfather came to Birmingham in 1895, he was born in sora,Frosinone. This sounds very interesting, you may have read another book, called "Bella Brum" written by Doreen Hopwood?
I would love to know more on this project of yours.
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Hi Sheronb i have read Bella Brum, i am in contact with the authors Doreen Hopwood and Margaret Dilloway. the book i am writing is more about working life, housing conditions and crime in the Italian communities, plus the affect of ww2 on Italians living in Bedford, Birmingham. I have completed the draft of the Bedford part of the book and am now starting the Birmingham side, which will be time consuming and a lot more difficult, because The Birmingham Italian's were more secretive and Families were all inter- married, and many did not take up the option of British Citizenship mainly because of the cost, but also it suited them to be "invisible" to the authorities! So official records say 2 or 300 Italians in the city in the early 1920s, when the actual number is probably closer to a 1,000. A lot of so called historian's will say a thousand Italian's in Birmingham is rubbish, but another reason for this book is to finally put some kind of true figures on the Italian Population!
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Hi Wimk.
My great grandfather never became a British citizen, I have found his Alien reg card from WW1, this was with the help of Dave Cross, from the West Midland Police muesum, I am also in touch with a guy, whose Italian great grandfather shot someone!! on abt 1905!!I can put you in touch with him, if you like! I am also very interested in how they lived, worked etc.... My great grandfather married a British lady of Irish decent, and had 16 children!! They lived in Barthlomew St/Fox St....my family didn't inter-marry though with any other Italian familes though.They were good friends with Martin Ciangretto (sp?) who had a demolition buisness in birmingham. I would love to find out more abt their lives.
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Have you contacted the Anglo-Italian FHS? They have some excellent resources online at http://www.anglo-italianfhs.org.uk
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Are you looking for a particular era of immigrants?
What about post WW2 immigrants?
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Hi, would you be intersted in a copy of Early Italians in Newcastle upon Tyne 1800-1900 by Hugh Shanklin? It is about Italians in the registers of St Andrews Roman Catholic Church.
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We are searching for my Wife’s Maggie gggrandfather named John Lando from Genoa, Italy and went to live in Biggar, Scotland in 1850 at the age of 14. We have recently been told by a lady from Co Durham whose maiden name was also Lando (no contact details) was that he came to the North of England with two other brothers and one headed north possibly my ancestor.
We know that another Italian family lived in Biggar before 1850.
Can anyone help us or have connections with the Lando family.
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Hi
The Roman Catholic churches of Birmingham would surely be a good source of information. The numbers of marriages and baptisms and the various Italian family names in their records would help your research. There were also Italian newspapers which could give a feel of community life.
there is an article by Sally Howard (you can google her name and find it) on Italian life in Birmingham, the back to back houses, etc.
Diana
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To Slippery - what was the names of your ggrandfathers brothers and I will see if I can spot them. I live in the North-east - Sunderland - but go to all the main archives in Durham and Newcastle.
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Hi, would you be intersted in a copy of Early Italians in Newcastle upon Tyne 1800-1900 by Hugh Shanklin? It is about Italians in the registers of St Andrews Roman Catholic Church.
That book might be of interest to me. I've traced my Cardella line back to Michael Caradille. He only ever lists his birth place as Italy, no specifics. His earliest appearance I know of is his marriage in St Andrew's on 1 November 1857, listed as Michael McCardelle (don't understand the Mc bit) marrying Mary Stephens. His occupation is listed as 'Figure Maker' and in a later census, 'Whitening Figure Image Maker'. On the certificate his father is Dominickes McCardelle, a brick layer.
Any more info about the book or even about Michael Caradille?
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Hi Sam, please write to me at (*) with your address. It is not a 'book' it is 5 pages of info taken from the Catholic Registers of Newcastle upon Tyne vol. 36 there is a copy of the book in the library of the Northumbria and Durham Family History Society at Bolbeck Hall, Westgate Road, Newcastle
Regards, Kathy
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Help, I am trying to find out when & where on the isle of man my grandfather, FIORE ANGELO SARTOR, was interned in WWII. We think he was interned in 1940/41. I hope someone can give me some info. Thanks :(
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Hi Sheronb,
I`ve seen some of you`r messages about the Italian Quarter
in B`ham. I`m really interested in the photograph of your
Gt. Gt. Grandfather with his friend Martino.
Family members think this maybe Martino Ciangretti who was my
Gt. Gt. Grand father. My family also lived in Bartholomew St.
This is the first time I have ever replied to any messages on the
internet, but that photograph really got me excited!
I`m also on the Birmingham website. If you can give me any more
information it would be great.
st. evenlucy.
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st.evenlucy
I have sent you PM(private message)I am really pleased to hear from you.
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My great grandfather's sister married a man called Tony Bosoni (born around 1899). I'm not sure which part of England there were from but they were from Italy orginally and married Hilda Morgan in London. Tony had a brother Bulla/Buller - not sure which and Tony and Hilda had a son Albert 'Tony' Bosoni - who later changed his name to Tony Bradshaw and emigrated with his wife Bobby.
I know you are probably not interested in all of that but I thought I would put a little bit of information in case there are any other Bosoni relatives about.
I have several pictures of Tony on his wedding day and after as well as pictures of Tony Bradshaw but they are mainly just family snaps not really showing the community.
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Hi, Thanks for the information. I am interwested in other Italian families who came to England.
I think my grandfather came overland from Northern Italy to England in Aug 1920. He was Fiore Sartor who settled in Clerkenwell area of london & I am trying to find out when he arrived in England & where he first lived but I am new to it so am finding my feet.
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Hi, can anyone help me to trace when my grandfather & his siblings came over to England from Udine in northern Italy. His name was Fiore Sartor, he came to London in about Aug 1920.
Could he have travelled overland as I can find no passenger records. Thanks, Gill
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Gillian, there are very little records of ppl arriving in this country.If any, maybe on the National Archive website, but I find this very hard to naviagate! My own Great grandfather arrived much earlier, in 1895, and I found this info, on his Alien Registration card form the 1st World War, this was at the West Midland Police Musesum. Maybe there is something similar for WW2? Sorry I can't be of more help.
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Hi SheronB !
Can you give me a hint where to look for very early immigrants from the later Italy ? (preferably online without having to travel to London).
I'm researching Giovanni Torriano (who wrote this famous Select Italian Proverbs in English). His father (Alexander T., Italian priest who converted to protestantism and married in Geneva) fled from Toscany around 1620 via Geneva to London.
My questions: When did they arrive in England ? Who was his mother ? Who was his grandfather / where in Toscany did they come from ?
Regards,
Sven
www.slaktforskning.carlsson.at
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Hi Sven!!!
gosh you are talking very early on!!! I doubt you will find anything on his arrival in England, unless any parish records, hold any info, or you can obtain any documents, maybe try the National Archive website. As for details of his family, again, unless you find any info on the PRs, you will have to go/contact Tuscany for info, nothing online,I'm afraid!
I suggest you join this forum:
http://italiangenealogy.tardio.com/index.php
They are the experts, and will be able to help you.
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Vielen Dank - molto grazie - thank you ;)
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Hello, I have found a Giovani Tarini/Torini born 1844 from Italy on the 1871 census, married to a Annie with sons Giovanni R. born 1868 & Giuseppe A. born 1870/71 Is this to late for your Giovanni?
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Thanks, Kathfen, but that's more than 200 years too late ...
I suppose that this Giovanni Torriano "founded" the whole Torriano dynasty in England, traces of them are found in India, Ceylon, South Africa, Canada, Australia and ... Germany.
Your Torini are from Italy of the 19th century, so they are really Italian...
"My" Giovanni T. edited one of the first English-Italian dictionaries (Florio-Torriano), and he might have been close to Shakespeare too.
Regards from Hamburg,
Sven
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Has anyone come across a de Core family who originated in Italy.
Michael de Core (fish salesman) married an Alice Holland in 1906 and named his father as Michael de Core (fruit grower) (Deceased).
He could not sign his name and was similarly handicapped when he joined the army in 1918 at which stage he still described himself as "Italian", occupation - "cook".
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Hi Wimk
I am interested in the surname Cavaliero/Cavaliere living in (possibly Kempston) Bedford area during the 1950's. May have worked at London Brick Company/Marsten Valley Brick Company.
I would appreciate any snippet of information.
Thankyou for taking the time to read my post.
Isobel
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Hi this is my first time - I was surfing the net looking for my dad's surname when I came across honey-roma88's entry and this speaks of my parents - Tony and Bobbly Bradshaw. What else do you know? Both my parents have now passed away. What is your interest in the family line?
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I will pm you within next 7/14 days as I am going on holiday tomorow.
Ragards.
Isobel
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Hi I am currently working on an MA on Italian immigrants in the North East and would appreciate any help or relevant information. Looking especially at 1870-1970 . Have tried locating the article refered to without sucess can anyone help