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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: Jamjar on Friday 27 July 07 14:48 BST (UK)
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Can anyone connect to this family?
Alexander Pratt and Janet Kay were married 1863. Alexander was a Maltster Journeyman and later a labourer and baker. An Isabella Pratt was a witness at the wedding and there is an Isabella living a couple of door up, on a census.
Alexander was the son of Alexander Pratt and Elizabeth Lonie, of Cupar.
He died 1907 at 4 Kirkwynd.
Janet Kay was the daughter of David Kay and Euphemia Pratt. She died in 1905 at 4 Kirkwynd
Known children were: twins Jemima Strath and Janet in 1875 - Janet deceased at 5 months.
David born 1874.
David married Lillias Patrick in 1894. He was a carter living at 4 Kirkwynd, Cupar. Lillias' parents were, John and Christina nee Hunter. Lillias is down as living at Kirkwynd as a domestic servant.
In the 1881 census the family was living in Bank st and Jemima is named Joanna - aged 5.
Jamjar
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During your research have you come across a Henry PRATT?
Name: Henry PRATT
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Birth: 1796 Fife, Scotland.
Occupation: Labourer
Marriage: 7 5 1814 Leuchars, Fife.1
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Spouse: Jean JUSTICE
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Children:
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1 M: William PRATT
Birth: 12 7 1818 Cults, Fife.2
Death: 13 6 1874 Woodhouse, Normanton, WRY.3 Age: 55
Occupation: Railway platelayer
Religion: Church of England
Spouse: Elizabeth NICHOLS
Marriage: 3 1 1854 St John's Church, Wakefield.4
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2 M: Robert PRATT
Birth: 28 5 1820 Elie, Fife.
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3 F: Christina PRATT
Birth: 18 2 1823 Elie, Fife.
Occupation: Linen hand loom weaver.
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4 F: Elspeth PRATT
Birth: 14 10 1825 Elie, Fife.
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5 M: John PRATT
Birth: 18 4 1830 Fife, Scotland.
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6 M: James PRATT
Birth: 11 12 1834 Elie, Fife.
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No, sorry.
Jamjar
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Hi my wife's family tree include both names Pratt and Lonie. Her family starts with James Lonie born abt 1806 in Fife, his daughters name was Eliza born abt 1830 in Cupar. Also her Pratt family starts with James Pratt born abt 1801 Fife and his daughter's name was Catherine born abt 1826 in Largo Fife. Hope there is connection some where. If you need more information please pm me. Djcr
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I can't see a connection. There were a lot of Pratt's and Lonie's in Fife and Fife is a big place. I can't trace any of my early ones out of Cupar.
My key lies in finding the parents of Alex and Elizabeth.
On the marriage cert for them there is a David Lonie who married two months earlier. It could have been a brother.
I seem to recall that Janet Kay's mother was Euphemia Pratt.
You may want to look at my previous post.
The only way to get a connection would be through residential addresses and trade connections. Do you have any tailors in the Pratt line?
Jamjar
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my james pratt was a tailor but way futher back and in london
jan
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Still hoping. :-\
Anyone? ???
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Bumping up.
Still looking. :-\
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Bumping up and still hoping.
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar
There are a few other children showing on IGI for Alexander Pratt and Janet Kay following their marriage in 1863. Might help in tracing families back with the use of middle names:
1. ALEXANDER STEWART PRATT Birth: 18 DEC 1863 Monifieth, Angus
2. ROBERT PRATT Birth: 16 FEB 1865 Monifieth, Angus
3. ARTHUR MONCRIEFF PRATT Birth: 12 FEB 1868 Barry, Angus
4. DAVID PRATT Birth: 29 OCT 1870 Cupar, Fife
5. ANDREW PRATT Birth: 10 MAR 1873 Cupar, Fife
There looks to have been a number of early deaths for their children. Only David b. 1870 and Joana show in 1881 as you have found.
Monica :)
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There is a reference on Ancestry forums http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surnames.lonie/4/mb.ashx to Elizabeth Lonie Pratt having died in 1870 in Cupar. Not sure if you will get her parent details from her death cert (if it is the correct one) as there is no reference to surname Lonie on the search on SP, just Elizabeth Pratt, 1870, Cupar.
Monica
Added: No wonder the names seemed familiar! Sorry Jamjar, I see from your previous post we have gone through this before - apologies ;) www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,243785.0.html
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Thanks for your interest, Monica. :)
I've just had another look at the birth certificate for the twin girls.
Jemima's middle name sure does look like 'Strath'. Odd for them to use so many different middles, yes? Is Strath a Scottish surname?
At the time of Jemima's birth they were living at Burnside, Cupar
Jemima was a witness for David's wedding in 1894.
Jamjar
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Yes, I can. Jemima (their daughter) is my Great Great Grandmother 😊
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Joanna is another daughter too separate to Jemima I believe. On her wedding certificate (2nd marriage) she’s listed Alexander as a Railway Goods Guard (deceased) she got married again in 1917
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Welcome to Rootschat, Lelly.
You are the first person to link to my line.
I will need to get to the computer to refresh what I have on Jemima. I don’t think I ever considered that Joanna was a child of theirs, rather just assumed it was a mistranscription on the census.
How far back have you traced on Jemima’s line?
Jamjar
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Thanks for your interest, Monica. :)
I've just had another look at the birth certificate for the twin girls.
Jemima's middle name sure does look like 'Strath'. Odd for them to use so many different middles, yes? Is Strath a Scottish surname?
At the time of Jemima's birth they were living at Burnside, Cupar
Jemima was a witness for David's wedding in 1894.
Jamjar
Hi,
Strath certainly is a Scottish surname. :)
My 3rd Great Grandfather was a Strath from Aberdeenshire. There are also Scottish place names associated with it, such as Strathaven and others.
Lindsey
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Thank you, Lindsey.
Jamjar
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Thanks very much! I made the same assumption to be honest! Jemima was born 1874 and Joanna 1876 I think off the top of my head? Jemima is posing a bit of a problem for me. I’d gone back a few generations but then like an idiot, I deleted what I thought was a duplicated Janet Keay and deleted the whole bloomin line so I need to have a play and get them back! Which one is your direct descendant? I found a descendant of David, her brother. He had a child called Euphemia (Effie) popular name at that time it seems! He’s from her line : )
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My line is from Jemima’s father’s brother, Robert.
Robert came to Australia with his wife Elizabeth in 1864.
Jamjar
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I’ll send you a PM and you can let me know of any information you would like on Jemima’s side, or mine?
Jamjar
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Hmmm.... Have you ever heard the tale about an estate in Scotland that should have come to our side of the family? My mother’s mother was adamant about it but could only get so far down the tree without the technology we now have. I can’t find anything so far that suggests there was any money in the family! I’ve been looking almost as a sideline as it wouldn’t come to me anyway! Just want to know the origin : )
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No, they all appear to be your average working class, folk.
Jamjar
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Hi Lelly,
I am a direct descendant of David Pratt, he is my G.G. grandfather, and his daughter Euphemia is my great grandmother.
Euphemia married my great grandfather Arthur Edward Scott in Liverpool in 1937. On their wedding certificate, it shows that she was widowed and that her previous married name was Duff, although I've never been able to find that marriage.
Euphemia died in January 1963 in Liverpool
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On Scotlands People there is an Effie Pratt marrying Thomas Duff in 1917 in Leven.
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Thank you for that information, Shanghaipanda, I will look into that :)
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I just looked on SP, found the record for Effie Pratt and Thomas Duff, However I don't think this lady is my Effie Pratt, the parents on the record show Effie's parents as being Alexander Strath Pratt and Effie Pratt nee. Patrick.
My Effie's parents are David Pratt and Lilias Pratt nee. Patrick.
Thank you anyway Shanghaipanda
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Can you supply all details on marriage i.e. ages/addresses/witnesses...
I wouldn't discount this as there seems to be a link of a sort with the family going by surnames which may show up on census' & VRs?
Annie
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Hi Annie, I'm struggling to make out what half the writing on this certificate says.
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Feel free to post parts in portions here for transcribing with enough detail around it for letter comparison as well as column headings so we have an idea of what we're looking for/at.
Annie
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Welcome to Rootschat, Stuart.
Would you have details of Lilias’ death?
From memory I think I have David’s death in Edinburgh, but no sign of Lilias. Also, think his cert has a second wife listed?
Jamjar