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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: Jamjar on Thursday 09 August 07 11:33 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for John and Agnes.
They may have been on Becton farm in 1797.
One known child is David, said to be born around that time, at Becton.
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar
Not sure if this is any help but a search on the IGI using these parents' names brings up the folowing children:
Uppercleugh, Applegarth
1788 Robert
St Mungo
1804 Andrew
1808 Mary
1811 Margaret
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget,
It gives me something to start with.
Jamjar
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An interesting family on the 1841 at Corriehill, Hutton and Corrie. A few of the names ring the odd bell, including a John Little, 77, farmer (831 ED 3 Page 9).
It's the only John who might fit but they could be dead by then :-\
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
Are there any Duncan's there?
David Little, son of John and Agnes, is buried with his wife in Hutton cemetery.
Jamjar
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No. He is head and there is a ?son, James, 35-9 and ?d-in-l, Mary, 35-9 and their children. I'm assuming these relationships because of lack of info on the 1841.
Gadget
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The only two David Little's that fit on the 1841 are one in St Mungo and 1 in Tundergarth. What was David's wife's first name?
Gadget
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But, there is an Andrew Little iat Marionhill, Hutton and Corrie -ED 3 page 10
Andrew, 35-39, Grocer
Margaret, 35-39
Thomas, 14
Janet, 15
Henrietta, 11
John, 9
George, 7
Nancy, 5
Robert, 3
David, 1
Interesting children's names!
I'll check to see if I can find a Robert as well - not really convinced by the ones that I found - Canonbie and KP Juxta
Gadget
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Hi Jamjar,
Map of Beckton Farm, Lockerbie attached for your attention.
The red shaded area south of the Farm is land of known Archaeological interest.
Jak ;D
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My David is the St Mungo one. :)
Pity Andrew's family doesn't have an Agnes.
Jamjar
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Thanks for the map, Kojak.
Yes, I noticed that it was an archaeological site, when it popped up during my Internet search.
What happened to the sun and August being the best month of summer? :'(
Jamjar
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My David is the St Mungo one. :)
Pity Andrew's family doesn't have an Agnes.
Jamjar
They have a Nancy ;D ;D ;D
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In 1834 David Little and Jane Duncan had a son who died at Cleugheads. This is on a headstone in the Hutton Cemetery. It is Jane's family who are found with headstone's nearby.
I just had a look at the photos I took at Hutton. I actually took the one of the family of Andrew Little of MarionHill. The reason I took it was that it was very near to all the Duncan ones.
Jamjar
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Andrew Little died Sept 1st 1870, Hutton, aged 67. His parents were John Little and Agnes Wright.
:D :D :D
Gadget
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Well, well, well. You're a clever cookie. ;D
So, there is a good chance that John and Agnes are in the same cemetery.
Excellent Gadget!
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar
It might be worth following up James, the one I found on the 1841 with John!
Gadget
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:)
The John Little that I found in 1841 is still alive in 1851, aged 85. Check http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx
Fingers crossed he made it to 1855 :-\
Sadly, he doesn't seem to have :(
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
Was at the library looking at the cemetery headstone inscription books.
Couldn't find John and Agnes in the Hutton and Corrie books.
I wonder if Agnes came from another area and was taken home to be buried. As she has died first, it would then be possible for him to be sent off to be buried with her.
Or, as it has happened to me before, they could be in the cemetery and missed during the inscription recording.
Jamjar
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Or, like most of mine, they didn't have a headstone :(
Have you checked on any possible Agnes baptisms?
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
Yes, I have a few without headstones. However, judging by the quality of the other related family headstones I can't imagine them not putting one up for the folks.
No, I haven't looked for anything else, yet. Will be off to the library next week. Thankfully Wright, in the area, isn't such a common name as Little and Jardine.
Jamjar
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Hi both
Can I add a couple of bits into the pot? :) I don't think they have been mentioned yet
In 1841 at Wyndholm (Hutton & Corrie) there was a Duncan family.
Alexander Duncan 65 Farmer
Janet Duncan 60
Neither were born in Dumfriesshire
Mary Duncan 20 born Dumfriesshire
James Duncan 40 not born Dumfriesshire
Janet Duncan 10 born Dumfriesshire
There was also a Jane Lockerby 15 an Ag lab born in Dumfriesshire.
You know already of Andrew and Margaret Little at Marinehill (?) in 1841. A 'couple of doors down' at Corrie Hill was another Little family.
John Little 77 Farmer
James Little 35
Mary Little 35
William Little 15
Jean Little 9
Mary Little 7
James Little 4
John Little 1
All born in Dumfriesshire
There were a couple of Ag labs and an FS as well.
The Female Servant was Agnes Wright 30, born in Dumfriesshire
Regards
Reiver
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Greetings Reiver,
I can see the connections, thank you very much.
Alexander and Janet were from Fife.
I am sure the family at Corrie Hill are my David's family. This is now supported by the Agnes Wright.
Now, what I don't understand is how she fits in. My Agnes Wright was the wife of John Little 77 and mother of my David, born 1800ish. ???
Jamjar
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Hi Reiver
I found the John Little and family 1841 and listed them in post #7 yesterday.
This is the second thread today that someone hasn't noticed information that I had previously found. i think I'm getting invisible or something :'( :'( :'( :'(
Agnes Wright was a farm servant and might well have been a cousin. I think I looked for her but couldn't see a relationship on first trawl. there is no obvious record for a baptism on SP for her.
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
I'll go away again. It's obviously all sorted.
Regards
Reiver
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The Duncans aren't, I don't think :)
The Agnes on the 1841, doesn't seem to have any other record.
Possible Agnes Wrights, spouse of John Little are both Lochmaben:
1766 to John Wright and Jean Halladay
1776 to John Wright and Jean Richardson.
Gadget
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Gadget,
I have to say that I can't see the similarity between your posting and Reiver's, either.
You have said the information you gave me in posting #7, and his posting, was the same. Can you tell me how, please?
Re: John Little and wife Agnes - nee Wright
« Reply #7 on: Friday 10 August 07 11:08 BST (UK) » Reply with quote
But, there is an Andrew Little iat Marionhill, Hutton and Corrie -ED 3 page 10
Andrew, 35-39, Grocer
Margaret, 35-39
Thomas, 14
Janet, 15
Henrietta, 11
John, 9
George, 7
Nancy, 5
Robert, 3
David, 1
Interesting children's names!
I'll check to see if I can find a Robert as well - not really convinced by the ones that I found - Canonbie and KP Juxta
Gadget[color=Black
Hi both
Can I add a couple of bits into the pot? Smiley I don't think they have been mentioned yet
In 1841 at Wyndholm (Hutton & Corrie) there was a Duncan family.
Alexander Duncan 65 Farmer
Janet Duncan 60
Neither were born in Dumfriesshire
Mary Duncan 20 born Dumfriesshire
James Duncan 40 not born Dumfriesshire
Janet Duncan 10 born Dumfriesshire
There was also a Jane Lockerby 15 an Ag lab born in Dumfriesshire.
You know already of Andrew and Margaret Little at Marinehill (?) in 1841. A 'couple of doors down' at Corrie Hill was another Little family.
John Little 77 Farmer
James Little 35
Mary Little 35
William Little 15
Jean Little 9
Mary Little 7
James Little 4
John Little 1
All born in Dumfriesshire
There were a couple of Ag labs and an FS as well.
The Female Servant was Agnes Wright 30, born in Dumfriesshire
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar
I miss-counted - it's in reply 3 and followed up in reply 6. This was the family that we originally focused on if you remember.
Gadget
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Hi Reiver,
Please, don't feel you have to go away. ;)
I appreciate your help. What you said was very useful.
Everything we 'novices' do on Rootschat is a learning experience. I am sure we may make mistakes at times, although I can't see where you made one.
As this is my posting I do not expect others to vent there egos within it.
All assistance is welcomed, no matter how trivial, or repetitive.
Thanks again Reiver.
Jamjar
PS Gadget,
If you wish to continue assisting me in my search, I will be grateful. However, I do not wish other participants made to feel bad, by your comments. Also, I do not want personal messages from you commenting on others.
Jamjar
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Well there you go,
An interesting family on the 1841 at Corriehill, Hutton and Corrie. A few of the names ring the odd bell, including a John Little, 77, farmer (831 ED 3 Page 9).
It's the only John who might fit but they could be dead by then Undecided
Gadget
You didn't mention the names on the census. You only said it was an interesting family. As I don't have a copy of the '41 census there was no way I could have known you were talking about the family Reiver provided.
I think you owe Reiver an appology.
Jamjar
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Also:
No. He is head and there is a ?son, James, 35-9 and ?d-in-l, Mary, 35-9 and their children. I'm assuming these relationships because of lack of info on the 1841.
Gadget
The 1841 was available on Freecen which I assumed that you could get yourself as I gave you the reference number. When info is freely available, I do not see the point in typing it out.
Gadget
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Thank you for the reminder about Freecen, I had completely forgotten about it. I have tried the site on other occasions and never found what I was looking for. So, I guess I put it out of mind.
I wasn't aware of the number being from Freecen, having never seen one like it before. I assumed it had something to do with a CD you may have had.
Jamjar
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The Freecen transcriptions are more reliable than the big A ones but I do like to go to the original image when I know I've got a hit - just to make sure.
Also there's the Dum & Gal Historical index site for the 1851:
http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx
It's a great help. It's possible to collect info on the household once you've got a hit by just putting in the household ref number. I think you can also brows a parish/area which might be really useful for your hunting.
Gadget
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Yes, I use the 1851, online, regularly. It's great.
Have just been on FreeCEN. I think it's going to be very useful, thank you.
Jamjar