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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: CalamityJane on Sunday 19 August 07 01:01 BST (UK)
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Hi, I've searched everywhere I know (which I grant you isn't much) and this person doesn't appear to have lived/married/died anywhere, except for the fact that I have a photo of a headstone which is in Wilmslow, Cheshire. I can't find any census, or BMD records............
The headstone says: Catherine Morgan Bellinger, b. Nov.27, 1845, d. April 4, 1916. Same headstone also says Margaret Jane Bellinger, d. Nov. 14/1926 aged 39 years.
Any help/suggestions very much appreciated.
Jane
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Hi Jane
I don't know if this will help.. but i found this
1901 Census
New Inn Crewe Road? Sandbach Cheshire
James Bellinger Head M 50 Licenced Vic (Pub) Born Hampshire
Catherine Bellinger Wife 48 Born South Wales
Florence Bellinger Dau 23 Waitress Born Norfolk
Margaret Bellinger Dau 19 Clerk Born Norfolk
Frederick C Bellinger Son 18 Born Ireland
RG13 Peice 3352 Folio 74 page 23
Hope this helps in some way
Regards
Iria
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Birth
Margaret Jane Bellinger
Year 1879 Qtr Mar Dist: Henstead Vol 4b pg 200
Sue
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Hi Jane
i found this on Ancestry don't know if this fits
Marriage
James Bellinger
Poss Wife Catherine Morgan
Jan Feb Mar Qrt 1871
Marylebone London Middlesex
1a
736
1871 Census
Bramshaw Hampshire
James Bellinger Head M 25 Coachman Born Hampshire
Catherine Bellinger Wife 24 Born South Wales
Hope this helps
Regards
Iria
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Hi Jane
i found this on Ancestry don't know if this fits
Marriage
James Bellinger
Poss Wife Catherine Morgan
Jan Feb Mar Qrt 1871
Marylebone London Middlesex
1a
736
1871 Census
Bramshaw Hampshire
James Bellinger Head M 25 Coachman Born Hampshire
Catherine Bellinger Wife 24 Born South Wales
Hope this helps
Regards
Iria
Hi Iria, lovely name you have--and thank you--.......what does the reference to
"possible wife" mean?
My great-aunt was a Florence, born on July 2nd, year not known. I do think you have the right family!
My main reason for this whole thing is to try to find out what Margaret Jane Bellinger died from at such a young age, and also when she was born. The only thing I've discovered is this: (from marriage index)
Margaret Jane Bellinger
1907
Apr-May-Jun
MacClesfield
Cheshire, Derbyshire
8a
This isn't the right person, I don't think (could be in a pinch I suppose) because my mum was born in Oct. 1908. My Margaret Jane married William Henry Ireland......
If you can guide me to a site, even if I need to pay, I'd be grateful, and thank you so much for what you have already done. It gives me more places to try to search in. Arrgh, I should have tried Wales, Morgan is a Welsh name I think.
Sincerely, Jane
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Hi Willow:
Thank you for your reply.
I was looking for a birth about 1887, given date/age of death. I'm not sure this is the correct person, but it's also what I found. 1879 puts her at 47 at death, not 39, that's quite a difference, but perhaps that's the way it was w/recording then.
The main reason I'm doubting this is because my mum always told me she was about 19 when her mum (Margaret Jane) died. My mum was born in 1908. This fits almost perfectly with the death date of 1926.
Jane
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Cant find a death for a Margaret Bellinger 1926,
but found this one...age still off thou
Margaret J Ireland age 42
Year 1926 Qtr Oct-Dec Dist: Bucklow Vol 8a pg 218
Sue
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Hi Jane
Sorry it was My Fault i should have not put possibe Wife its Just that There Where Two Ladys name on the same Page one Was Catherine Morgan ..
Hope i haven't confused you
Regards
Iria
(Thankyou For the Comment on my name it was very nice of you )
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Hi Jane
Margaret Jane Bellinger
1907
Apr-May-Jun
MacClesfield
Cheshire, Derbyshire
8a
This isn't the right person, I don't think (could be in a pinch I suppose) because my mum was born in Oct. 1908. My Margaret Jane married William Henry Ireland......
Jane if you go to the http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ and check the marriages you will find your M J Bellinger marriage to W H Ireland 1907, they married at St Phillip's Alderly Edge, (this comes under Macclesfield registration district) so puts them well into the Wilmslow area.
There are also in the Freebmd details of two Catherine Morgan births in the Oct-Nov-Dec qtr of 1845 in Wales.
1) Volume XXV11 page 22 Aberystwyth Cardiganshire
2) Volume XXV1 page 111 Newport Monmouthshire
You really need the marriage certificate of
James Bellinger
Poss Wife Catherine Morgan
Jan Feb Mar Qrt 1871
Marylebone London Middlesex
1a
736
As found by Iria (it says possible because there are usually more than one marriage on a page so several male and female names)
This certificate will give you the details of Catherine's father.
In your case it seems to be the correct marriage.
The Margaret Jane Bellinger detailed on the headstone ??? should this be Margaret Jane Ireland (your grandmother) if she was married when she died ? Where did she live at the time of her death ?
peterbennett
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Cant find a death for a Margaret Bellinger 1926,
but found this one...age still off thou
Margaret J Ireland age 42
Year 1926 Qtr Oct-Dec Dist: Bucklow Vol 8a pg 218
Sue
Hi Sue: That seems quite strange to me, though I'm a total novice at this. Did it say Nov. 14 at all? She was married to William Henry Ireland, but maybe the Bellinger side didn't acknowledge that, and put Bellinger on the headstone. :-\ It's closer than the other one, only 3 years........
Peter, thank you for looking it up for me. It has to be the correct person. Do they always do things by darn quarters, and never give the actual dates? There is no way at all I'd be able to get a copy of the marriage certificate. These people seem to be spread all over. I've no idea where she lived at time of death, but I'm guessing Wilmslow, (Cheshire) or Gtr. Manchester (Lancashire).
The smallest tidbit of info is a great help to me. These are the relations of Sir Robert Ian Bellinger, b. 1910, Lord Mayor of London 1966-67. I think Catherine Morgan might have been his mother.
With many thanks to all, Jane
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The birth, marriage & death index do not give actual dates
for these events. You can only confirm the date by obtaining
copies of these certificates.
Of course, not unless you find a headstone :-\
Sue
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Hi Sue: Thanks. I think I've found the only headstone I'm ever likely to find. At least it gave me a starting point.
Jane
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Did you visit the grave & take the photo yourself?
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Did you visit the grave & take the photo yourself?
Yes, I did, in 1975. With my uncle (mother's brother). I very much regret not asking more questions. After the grave visit he showed me the house where my mother was born, but I guess I was just too young to ask the right questions. *sigh*
My mother died very suddenly when I was 19, and that left me virtually alone. Dad previously deceased and no siblings. I guess that's one of the reasons I'm on this mission of discovery.
Jane
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There is no way at all I'd be able to get a copy of the marriage certificate. These people seem to be spread all over. I've no idea where she lived at time of death, but I'm guessing Wilmslow, (Cheshire) or Gtr. Manchester (Lancashire).
Jane
You don't need to know where the marriage took place to get a cert,just apply to the GRO with the relevant ref numbers and they will supply one for £7. See www.gro.co.uk
Or you can get one by clicking on the Cheshire BMD site that Peter gave you.
They use a different set of ref numbers-just follow the instructions ;D
All the best
Carol
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Thanks Carol!
Jane