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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: Tricia_2 on Monday 22 March 04 02:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi there,
I know that there are lots of Barrys in Cork, and probably especially in the Cobh area, but if you think the following details look familiar, I'd love to hear from you.
My great great grandparents were from Ireland and Greece.
Ellen, nee Barry, may have been born in Ireland or in the USA - according to Census records. My guess, from the records available, is that she was born in America, but of a family who lived in Ireland.
'Queenstown' has been noted in at least one Census as her birthplace - and also that of her eldest son, Lazaros. I would guess that they were baptised there, and that Ellen was married there.
Lazaros was probably born in around 1855. I should think that Ellen married her Greek husband, Nicholas Svombo (or Nicolaos Svombos perhaps) in around 1854.
Ellen herself seems to have been the daughter of another Ellen, while family legend states that her father was a 'Captain Barry'.
The approximate birthdates of Ellen and her brother and sisters are:
Ellen Barry c1837(-1912)
Julia Barry c1840
Margaret Barry c1842
Garrett Barry c1843
I intend to write to the record keeper of Cobh Cathedral as I assume that they might have the records that I need, but if anyone sees a similarity with names in their tree, I hope that they will get in touch.
All the best.
Tricia
EDIT:
We discovered that some of this information was incorrect.
Further research has shown that the following were not siblings, after all:
Margaret Barry c1842
Garrett Barry c1843
We also think that we may have found the names of Ellen + Julia's parents:
Garret Barry
Catherine, nee Connell
We think that they are probably the couple, married in Queenstown / Cobh on 12th October 1831
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Hi my grandmother was a svombo and her side of the family are greeks her name is lillian and she had brothers and sisters called ronny, barbara, gwilim, patty lenny and marian.
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Hello Emma,
Thanks for the message.
I know your uncle Ronnie and I'm in touch with someone who must be your sister, I think, - Lorna.
Family history is a fascinating business - finding out about past relatives and discovering present ones, too!
All the best
Tricia
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Hi Ellen,
Have you checked the Cobh parish records yet?
The National Library has catholic baptisms and marriage records from St Colman's, Cobh/Queenstown Diocese of Cloyne from 1812
If you want me to check for you, please see my website.
On the Pigots 1824 of Cove there are lots of Barry families so your search may take while
Eliza a publican
J.S Esq in Fota
John Crown and Anchor Tavern 20 West Beach
Michael Publican Harbour View
Thos Merchant 27 West Beach
Thos Victualler Market Place
and Slaters 1846 has lots too
Bartholomew Coal Dealer West Beach
John Thomas Esq The Beach
John Spirit Dealer The Beach
Mary Mrs Abbeymore
Richard Boot & Shoemaker Back St
Barry Ring and Burke Merchant Ship Agents and Owners
Thomas & william Esqrs Ross League
regards
Kate www.hi5holidays.com/famhist.html
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Hello Kate,
Thank you for your message.
I haven't been to Cobh yet - I was hoping to go this summer, but didn't make it. What I do now have is proof, provided by St Colmans, that my great grandfather's eldest brother, Lazaros Svombo, son of Ellen Barry, was baptised there in 1855.
I know that Barry is very common in that area, so finding the right ones could prove difficult, but every little clue leads us further on - hopefully in the right direction.
I've had to put the family tree on hold for a while, as I have other research I must do, but I'll have a look at your website and maybe get in touch.
Thank you very much for letting me know about it.
All the best
Thanks again for the info.
Tricia
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Hi Tricia,
I think that we have met via Genes Reunited. I only heard about this board this evening.
Nicholas Svombo and Ellen Barry were married on 9th November 1854 in St Colman's Cathedral, Cobh (at that time it was St Colman's Church it not become a Cathedral until several years later). The witnesses were Garrett Barry and Mary McCarthy. The Priest was the Rev Murphy. I have a certified extract of the entry in the marriage register.
Best wishes Peter :)
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Hi Peter.
Wonderful!
Thank you!
Good to hear from you again. Yes, this is a good site ~ I haven't been doing much on the family tree lately, but I never lose interest ~ it's fascinating!
It seems that Ellen's brother was named Garrett, but I wonder if that was her father's name, too.
I had been wondering about St Colmans ~ was the old church on the same spot as the cathedral, I wonder. Do you happen to know? Does anyone else have any info on this?
'St. Colman's Cathedral is an exquisite gem of neo-Gothic architecture by the architects Pugin and Ashlin. It took 47 years to build, starting in 1868'
http://www.iol.ie/~gercasey/cathed.html
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Hi Tricia,
Until someone pointed out that St Colman's Cathedral was not started until 14 years after Nicholas and Ellen had married I thought that it had been there since Norman times. The extract from the marriage records was obtained by my late uncle Charles in 1911.
I have no idea if the Cathedral was built on the same site as the old Church. Perhaps we could set ourselves a task to find out.
Regards Pete
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HI Peter.
Wow!
Fancy your uncle knew that all those years ago and we had been under the impression that they had married in Cardiff! (Someone said that they had found the entry ~ it must have been for a relative).
We didn't even know where in Ireland they were from. I realised that there was a connection with 'Queenstown' only relatively recently, when I found some references, on a census, I think. That's when I tried to get the baptismal details of Lasaros ~ and succeeded.
You did give me the marriage info for Nicholas and Ellen before ~ thanks.
I'd like to know more about them.
All the best
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Hi Tricia,
Adam Spencer's great-great-great-granddaughter send me six pages of information about the Svombos. I will email it to you.
:) Pete
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Super, Peter, that's brilliant. Thank you! :)
I have quite a lot of info that I need to put onto the computer. Then I'll be able to pass it on to relatives.
I'm still hoping to organise a Svombo reunion, but health problems have been getting in the way, unfortunately.
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Hi again.
Happy New Year.
I hope there might be someone on here who can help me out a bit, please? ~ Thanks!
I haven't had much chance to do research recently, and certainly haven't got very far with my Cork ancestry, but, in the absense of finding anything specific to my family, I would like some more general information, if anyone could provide it please. :)
As I said before, my great great grandmother was Ellen Barry ~ and her mother was named Ellen, too. According to different censuses, she was born either in Queenstown, or America as a British subject. The year would have been about 1837. (Further details above)
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I would like to know how Ellen might have come to have been born in America ~ yet return to grow up in Ireland.
Is it likely that she & her siblings were christened in the 'old' St Colman's?
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I would like some general info on the 'Barry' clan. I have read up on the name in books and looked on the Internet, but I'm still not sure quite how it worked.
There was obviously a wealthy 'Barry' family, who owned estates and were extremely prominent in the area.
And there were a large number of Barrys populating the area, too.
There must have been many very poor Barrys ~ especially during the famine ~ Were they all distantly related?
Were they just part of a clan, who may or may not have been related?
If I find a Barry in Cobh / Queenstown, at the same time as Ellen's family lived there, how likely is it that they might be family?
I heard that Ellen' father was a ship's captain, but I have no proof of this.
I'd appreciate any info please. Sometimes a little local knowledge can make all the difference! :)
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I would like some general info on the 'Barry' clan. I have read up on the name in books and looked on the Internet, but I'm still not sure quite how it worked.
There was obviously a wealthy 'Barry' family, who owned estates and were extremely prominent in the area.
And there were a large number of Barrys populating the area, too.
There must have been many very poor Barrys ~ especially during the famine ~ Were they all distantly related?
Were they just part of a clan, who may or may not have been related?
If I find a Barry in Cobh / Queenstown, at the same time as Ellen's family lived there, how likely is it that they might be family?
With a common surname in the area like Barry you cannot assume that they are all related. If the Barrys have been in the area for generations it will be very difficult to find records to prove any relationships.
What about Ellen's death certificate? If she died in U.S., depending on which state, it may list date and place of birth, names of both parents, etc. (however, information will be what the informant knew which may or may not be correct).
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Ellen died in Cardiff, in 1912. All her family seem to have moved there. It might be worth looking for her siblings' death certificates. I don't recall finding anything about her father from hers. Her eldest child was christened in Queenstown; the others in Cardiff.
The thing I keep reading is that Queenstown / Cobh was Barry stronghold. I'm guessing that they were all related at some stage ~ either by blood, marriage, service, etc. Some seem to have been well-off and others quite poor.
This is the sort of thing I find:
'Cobh is located on the south shore of the Great Island in Cork Harbour ..'
'The island .. became known as Oilean Mor An Barra, (the Great Island of Barry & Barrymore) after the Barry family who inherited it.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobh
I just thought that someone with local knowledge could give me more of a feel for what it might have been like.
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Don't think her death certificate would list father's name (Irish ones certainly don't).
Cardiff must have been full of people that came from Cork- I traced Clifford family there and when they moved on to America they listed their birthplace as 'Cardiff, Ireland'!
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Yes, Cardiff & Treforest. Apparently the Irish came over as 'ballast' and this explains the RC church at Treforest (St Dubritious / Dyfrigs))
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Hi :)
I thought that it might be worth asking, again, if there are any other current members with 'Barry' ancestry from Cobh / Queenstown, in Cork?
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Hi :)
I thought that it might be worth asking, again, if there are any other current members with 'Barry' ancestry from Cobh / Queenstown, in Cork?
Hi Tricia,
I have Barry in my family, but i don't know much about her and would love to find out more. Her name was Honora Barry, she was born about 1842 in Cork. I can only go by the Welsh census. She married James Collins who was also from Cork. They lived in Llanelly, Wales. I cant find a marriage anywhere for them. I'd love to get some help if the names ring a bell with anyone!
Thanks :)
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Hi
I have Barry's in my Family -- My Great Grandmother was named Julia Barry she Married Timothy Sullivan on 17 Feb 1859 in Milford County Cork. My Great Grandfathers family was from southwest Limerick, Broadford and he worked at the Springfield Castle. According to my Grandmother Julia's mother's name was Ellen. Julia and Timothy has 7 children and many of their Godparents were named Barry. Maybe we are connected what do you think ?
Bill
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Hi there :)
A relationship possible, but Cork was a centre for Barrys, so I think that it would be quite difficult to find a definite link.
The Barrys, whom we know of, lived in Queenstown and then Cardiff.
Do these towns ring any bells for you? :)
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My name is Andrew Barry and I'm from cork :)
I don't know that much about my family and i was wondering if you have come across James Barry in your research. I know he was married to Hannah (Cant find her maiden name) and had 6 children one of whom was James Walter Barry who was my grandads dad. They all lived on thomas street in queenstown. I think James was born in 1867
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Welcome to Rootschat :)
...James Barry in your research. I know he was married to Hannah (Cant find her maiden name) and had 6 children one of whom was James Walter Barry who was my grandads dad. They all lived on thomas street in queenstown. I think James was born in 1867
Might be your family in 1901 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Queenstown_Urban/Harbour_Hill/1163194
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Queenstown_No__2_Urban/Thomas_Street/406493
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My name is Andrew Barry and I'm from cork :)
I don't know that much about my family ..... They all lived on thomas street in queenstown. I think James was born in 1867
Hi Andrew.
Since your Barrys actually lived in Queenstown, then there must be a possibility that we re related :)
But, with so many Barrys in the area, it is hard to tell.
My own Barrys moved to South Wales in the mid 1850as These were Ellen Barry (who married Nicholas Svombo / Swambo / Svombos) and her sister, Julia. I don't know what happened to their parents.
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Hi Aghadowey
I'll look into those records, myself. They could ~ just possibly ~ be cousins :)
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I still live in cork so I'm gonna try find out more from my dad and some of my family in cobh:) I'll let you know if I find anything interesting!
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Hi Andrew :)
That would be really interesting!
I can't help but think that Ellen and Julia must have had more relatives in Queenstown / Cobh.
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Currently, these are the ones we know of ~ or, in the case of the parents, who we believe to be connected:
Ellen Barry c1837 (-1912)
Julia Barry c1840
Both baptised in Queenstown
Ellen + Julia's parents:
Garret Barry
Catherine, nee Connell
Married in Queenstown / Cobh on 12th October 1831
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Andrew Barry, re your query regarding James Barry and family.
My Grandfather was James and his wife was Hannah neé McCarthy.
They had only one son (James Walter), and they did live in Thomas Street at some stage. He (JW) had nine children, seven of whom reached maturity and also had children. None of these were called Andrew. Therefore I do not think we are the family you are seeking. However, there was another James Barry who also lived in Thomas Street, with a large family. I don't think that there is any relationship with us, and I do not know what happened to them. The age profile of that James does not fit with the information you posted. Is it possible your information is wrong?
Hope you connect,
Le dea mhéin,
BarradeR.
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This link could run,and run, so I don't expect anyone will mind if I 'jump on the bandwagon' too. I cannot get anywhere with my 'one and only' link to the 'Barry's and I hope that someone reading this will be able to help. My Grandparents, Mary Angela Barnes, and Edward Maurice O'Neill, were married at St. Mary's Parish Church, Passage West, Cork, in 1915. Mary's parents were named as: James Barnes, and Margaret Barry. The only other details I have about my Great Grandparents is what I saw written down in the marriage register, at St. Mary's. James stated that he was a blacksmith, and gave their address as 'Cork'. I take that as Cork City?
I have no idea if James and Margaret were married; I have been unable to find a marriage record, and also, I cannot find a birth certificate for Mary Angela Barnes, my Grandmother. I cannot find this family on the 1901, or the 1911 census of Ireland either. They are a complete mystery.
Can anyone help with my enquiry please?
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BarradeR,
Thanks for the info:) you're probably right but you said James Walter had seven children who went on the have kids of their own and none of them were called Andrew well the James I'm looking for was my great grandad so it would of been another two genarations till I was born. I am only eighteen. I really have to get some birthcerts together:)
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Hello Andrew, I have posted you a private message with information regarding your search.
You will see that you missed two generations, which I have covered in private.
I will keep in touch,
Slán go fóill,
BarradeR.
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I've Barrys in my family too, my great great grandmother was Bridget Barry, she married a John Dorgan about 1882 or so, all of their kids were born in Sallybrook, Glanmire, I haven't been able to find a marriage cert for Bridget Barry and John Dorgan so far, but I have gotten my Great Grandmothers birth cert and the birth cert of her oldest sister too, to see if the parents names and addresses were the same in 1883 and they were....
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Hi again :)
If you are a Barry, or interested in Barry history, then you might like to know about the Barrymore DNA project. Check it out here:
https://sites.google.com/site/barrymorednaproject/
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My grandmother was a Barry, descended from Michael Barry, born around 1830 in *Ireland* but believed to be Cork. He married Ellen Cummins before the family moved to Cardiff in the early 1860s.
Tonight, I've discovered a possible link to the Svombos / Swombos in Cardiff hence my interest in this topic.
Michael Barry's son James had 13 children, 6 died as babies including Maurice in 1896, whose death was registered by A Swambo, aunt. It would appear that she was Ann Buckley who married Matthew Swambo, son of Nicholas and Ellen Swambo nee Barry. Still trying to prove this but looks interesting.
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That certainly is interesting, Deirdre. Very interesting indeed!