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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: soxie on Friday 23 November 07 15:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am new to this site so I do hope I am posting in the correct place :P
I am looking for WILLIAM WHALE and his wife SARAH (nee LATCHFORD)
William was a Baptist Minister and was born in REDDITCH ENGLAND. SARAH was born in ASTON BIRMINGHAM about 1843.
They emigrated to Queensland in about 1885 and I know that they are buried in Toowong.
I would love to find Descendants of them but how do I go about it?
Some of their children are:
WILLIAM HENRY
HARRIET KATE
ELIZABETH MARY
JESSIE JOSAPHINE
ELSIE LUCY
Thank you very much for your help :)
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hi soxie
welcome to rootschat
i take it you have them on the 1881 census
whats your connection to this family ?
ev
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Hi ev thank you four your welcome.
Sarah Latchford was my hubby's great-great Grandfather's sister.
She married William Whale in Birmingham England 1863.
William was known to attend the
Zion Chapel in Birmingham.
We have found quite a few relatives in the past few years and have only just found this lot!!
The most notorious one was in Australia..........JACK HERBERT THE BAGMAN :o
who I believe was living in Brisbane. We have the book about him.......quite a naughty one he was too ;)
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Sorry.............yes I do have him on 1881 census (it's dark outside and cold so my brain is preparing to close down!)
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hi soxie
i have found someone that has william and sarah on a tree
they also have the 5 children and who they married and
their children
i will try to contact them and see what happens they dont
have any bothers or sisters for sarah latchford you maybe
you could help each other out
ev
ps was jack herbert a corrupt policeman
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Again many thanks ev.
Yes, Jack Herbert was a corrupt policeman!!!
My husbands family knew nothing about him until we started the family tree!!
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Wlecome to Rootscaht
you will find losts of lovely folk to help you in your searching
death
1903/B003929 Whale William father Whale Henry mother Harriet Lambert
1891/B015374 Whale William Henry married Harriet Eliza Silcock
Births
1893/C010823 Whale Edgar William father William Henry mother Harriet Eliza Silcock
1896/C010482 Whale Vida Silcock William Henry Harriet Eliza Silcock
1900/B000848 Whale Leslie George William Henry Harriet Eliza Silcock
death
1894/C003967 Whale Edgar William William Henry Whale Harriet Eliza Silcock
in 1906 Harriet died
1906/C003428 Whale Harriet Eliza father Walter Cooke Silcock mother Ann Maddock
then William Henry remarries
1909/B008212 Whale William Henry married Grace Elizabeth Hanson
children born to this couple
1910/B024058 Whale Grace Norma father William Henry mother Grace Elizabeth Hanson
1912/B029462 Whale William John Latchford William Henry Grace Elizabeth Hanson
Other Marriages
1891/B015192 Whale Harriet Kate married Jeremiah Garnett Horsfall
1895/B017441 Whale Elizabeth Mary married John Herbert Goldsmith
1903/B002399 Whale Elsie Louise Frederick William Simpson
1906/B004259 Whale Jessie Josephine Leonard Canton Morris
1913/C000526 Whale Clement Stansell Elizabeth Ada McKeeman (Don’t know if this chap ties in with your mob)
regards Jenn
ps you can search the qld. bdm on line for yourself the link is on the top of the Australian board under Qld resources, these resource links can be extremly beneficial to you
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Many thanks Jen for the names. I will spend time putting them into the tree. :)
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http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch.aspx
This is a link to the National Archives
click on search then next screen up popin the name W H Whale
there are 2 records one is a black and white photo with a W H Whale in it 1900c
regards jenn
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soxie
you will also find a WW1 recod for Leslie George Whale which is filled with a bit of family history worth the 45 page read for address etc
also two records fro
WIlliam John Latchord WHALE who was killed in action in 1944 over Germany
very touching reading
regards jenn
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Again many thanks ev.
Yes, Jack Herbert was a corrupt policeman!!!
My husbands family knew nothing about him until we started the family tree!!
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
This brings back memories of the Fitzgerald investigation/report I was working for the govt when the investigation was on & the results published late 1980s - interesting times.
Qld BDM registers to 1914 are online - they don't have the exact dates as given by Jenn (only the registration date) but are useful for browsing.
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/bdm/IndexSearch.htm
The immigration for your family appear to be on the Unassisted list into Victoria - the Vic files include anyone who stopped by even if they were going elsewhere - so often folks for other states are on their lists
WHALE WM REVD 50 SEP 1885 JOHN ELDER B 455 010
Also on the same ship
WHALE ---- MRS 48
WHALE E M MISS 12
WHALE H K MISS 16
WHALE JESSIE J MISS 10
WHALE L W MISS 6
WHALE W H MR 18
WHALE WM REVD 50
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23
The name seems not at all common, There were a couple of other Whales arrived 1883, 1888 - could be related?
I visit Toowong Cemetery occasionally - do you have/want any photographs?
Trish
Edit: Sorry Jenn - I just realised you referenced the online Qld BDMs
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no problems Trisha I only have the pioneers index for Qld. Maybe some one with the federation index may be able to add in anything extra.
kind regards Jenn
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I didn't realise you were missing the early one - there may be something but would only be 1885-1889 & it would be online - I'll have a look
Trish
Edit: Only one Whale on the pioneer index & it was a marriage in 1864 - so not this family
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Hi,
Here are some SILCOCK's arriving in 1862 per 'Conway'
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/downloads/Indexes/immigration/ImmiS6.pdf
There is a little infant Harriet, but her parents [per her registered death] do not seem to be there so perhaps not her.
Walter Cooke Silcock left a will.
Sue
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hi all
rev. william whale died 4th september 1903 queensland
and his wife sarah died 24th august 1933 toowong queensland
according to the public tree i found on ancestry
ev
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Woooooooooow :)
Thank you all for the help you are giving to me, I really am grateful :-*
We have been trying for years to find out where Sarah Latchford went and there she was.........in OZ all the time!!
I am trying to get in touch with a couple of people on Tribal Pages who seem to be researching the same William and Sarah but as yet I haven't had a reply.
Trish........thank you so much for your kind offer to send photo's of the cemetery I would love to have some.
Again........thank you all for your help, I am very grateful :)
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hi soxie
the family tree on tribal pages for william whale death 1904 is the same
one i found on ancestry
good luck with your contact
ev
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Trish........thank you so much for your kind offer to send photo's of the cemetery I would love to have some.
Will take a little while, and yesterday I couldn't get the website to even work! I'll pm a message when I have the photos
Trish
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electorall roll information
for Sarah Whale
1903 Brisbane North
426 upper Edwar Street Domestic duties
also registered at same address
was Jessie Josephine Whale Domestic duties
1913 Toowong
McIllwarith Street, Auchenflower Domestic duties
1919 and 1925
Wingara Street, Yeeroongpilly Home Duties
So it would appear that Sarah lived by herself for a number of years
regards Jenn
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This is all so fantastic Jenn, I can't thank you enough :)
:-*
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I have managed to get in touch with someone on Tribal Pages who is researching Sarah Latchford and William Whale and she is as excited as I am
at all the results I have received from here.
I will keep you all in touch with any new stuff.
They person who contacted me lives in Australia.
It's great isn't it..........this genealogy stuff :D :D ;)
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Hi soxie
Now that the BCC grave search seems to be working again
http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD::pc=PC_899
Could you check which graves you would like me to photograph. The one with William, Sarah and baby Morris I see - it looks to have a headstone from the online pics
I also found the one with Vida, Edgar, Harriet and William - not sure about this one as it seems to be completely under a tree & tombstones look a little sparse in this section.
What other ones at Toowong are yours? Hopefully we will get there next weekend.
Trish
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Hi Trish,
If you are able and it doesn't seem too greedy :P I would love to have a photo of all the names you have mentioned please. They all seem to belong to the same family.
Many thanks again for your kind offer I am most grateful.
Regards,
Rowena.
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Hi Trish,
If you are able and it doesn't seem too greedy :P I would love to have a photo of all the names you have mentioned please. They all seem to belong to the same family.
Many thanks again for your kind offer I am most grateful.
Regards,
Rowena.
The ones mentioned are all together - only 2 graves - no problem, I was wondering if there were any more that I had missed :) :)
Toowong Cemetery is one of my favourite places - it is very large, very helpful staff, well looked after & of course, peaceful. At the high point some wonderful views. The last time I was there is was looking very dry (as was all Brisbane) but it has recently rained, so it should be a good time for pictures. A pic from a few years ago - the grave of a 19th century premier, it gives an idea of the size (and was taken in the "green" time :)
Trish
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Hi Trish,
It looks a lovely peaceful place.
I do love looking round graveyards and cemeteries as they hold so much history and they are also a haven for wildlife.........free from LIVE humans :D
Thanks again Trish :)
I did see on the Grave Website an Eleanor ROWENA !! How weird is that!!
Not a name that is very common and there it is my Husband's side!!!
Rowena :-*
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Hi Soxie
There was a memorial for the Rev William (erected by the church members :) ) but no sign of a memorial for the other group of four. The latter was in an area of the cemetery where it was decided in 1975 to remove the headstones and create a park!!! (or sell off the land as we cynics thought). After some protests it was stopped, but not before many headstones had gone. I checked the memorial inscriptions book, that was created in 1988, but no sign of an inscription - so if it did exist, it is now lost.
Meanwhile, here is a small version of the Memorial to Rev W W - if you would like to pm me an email address, I will send the others via email.
Trish
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Thank you very much Trish :)
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Hi Soxie,
Are you still doing some family research?
William Whale was my grandfather's grandfather so I'd be interested in exchanging information. I'm quite curious about the Latchfords too, as I believe they may have been born in Ireland rather than Birmingham, as sometimes stated. My father will be horrified to discover that he's related to Jack Herbert!
Cheers.
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Hello
re the Silcock family that immigrated on the Conway in 1862, I can tell you that Leonard Silcock married my Great Grandmother sister, they all came out on the Conway, for some reason Leonard, who married Helen aka Ellen Cuthbert, did so in Sydney, but then then came up to Queensland, had numerous children etc.
Can fill in the blanks if anyone wants them.
or you can email me at
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The National Library's digitised newspaper site has mentions of the family including
the funeral notice for William - The Brisbane Courier, Monday 7 September 1903
photo of his memorial - The Queenslander, Thursday 25 February 1932
obit, including photo, of Sarah - The Brisbane Courier, Thursday 24 August 1933
obit for Sarah - The Queenslander, Thursday 31 August 1933
marriage of Mary Elizabeth, second daughter of William and Sarah - The Queenslander, Saturday 29 June 1895
I searched using key words William Whale
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y
Judith
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I think the William Whale referred to as dying 1903 maybe the son of my gt gt gt gt gt grandfather Henry Whale in Birmingham, England who was married to Harriet and if so he was born 1843 and had siblings Catherine (b. 1847), Henry (b.1857), Edwin (b.1861).
I have only just started rsearching into my Whale family roots so any information would be welcome.
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I have a William Whale marrying Harriet Lambert and they have a son William Henry Whale (date of birth not known) d.1903.......he married Harriet Eliza Silcock 1891..they had three children, Edgar, Vida, Leslie. Harriet Silcock was born 1869......So I am thinking that the 1st William Whale who marries Harriet Lambert might be the one you seek,,,Anyway keep this info just in case it is what you are looking for. There are better Whale researchers than me, hopefully they will be able to steer you right.
Cheers
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Thanks :)
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Hi I am looking for a Frances Whale that married a Frederick Burley in Qld in 1864. I know they had a few children in Victoria but I can not seem to find out who she was. I saw the blog on William Whale as I was looking for a Frances Whale that arrived with her husband William in 1855 on the Bangalore and she was from Reading. Berks. Any light that you can throw much appreciated. Thanks Di
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Hello Di and welcome :)
Not too sure what you are looking for but there is this
death in Victoria
BURNLEY Frances 1882 age 37 years
Father: James Whale Mother: Louisa
Reg# 9440
Hope this helps
Raylen
Just re reading your post.............. Francis Whale and her husband
William arriving in 1885
so Whale is not her maiden name?
Maybe above is not relevant ???
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Thank you so much. I will have start wearing my glasses. Can you tell me if James Whale is sitting on one of the branches of your tree? Di
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Di,
I'm not related to the Whale family at all.
Just try to help out here with information
for others when I can.
If there is anything else you need.........ask away.
There is always someone to try and help you.
Raylen
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Thank you, you must enjoy
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Your William Whale is my g.g.g. grandfathers son from Birmingham who became a Baptist minister. His Brother Henry was my g.g. grandfather.
William and Sarah had ministries in Ipswich and Middlesborough UK before emigrating to Australia. There are many articles in the AU newspper archive relating to William with excerpts from newspaper interviews. There are also notifications relating to his childrens marriages so should be plenty of chance to trace any descendants. There is a photo of Sarah in her newspaper obituary she lived for many years after William died, mainly living with her daughters and appeared to be a formidable character.
Cheers
David Whale