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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: neilscott on Saturday 24 November 07 13:54 GMT (UK)
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Hello, I am researching my great grandfather - Archibald Scott : Born in Ballyarnett district. He was born 1938, died 1864 and lived in fountain hill. He was married to Emma Smith. He was employed as a Hourbour Constable before leaving the police and working at M'Cullys in Spencer road, Waterside. He was well known in the city and was Church Wardern at Glendermott church and also a member of the Select Vestry. I am trying to find out:
1. What is the hourbour police of Derry - RUC?
2. Who was his father and mother and where did they live?
3. Any info on M'Cully in Spencer road
4. What happend to his children he had 13, 3 died at birth, 2 lost in the war(1915-1916) others are Emma, Maggie, Ruby, Marther, David, Gordon, Charles, William.
Any leads or information would be great. This is my first attempt at researching my past family. Thanks Neil
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Am a bit confused about the dates. Archibald Scott born 1938? died 1864?. If he died in 1864 children must have been born before that and seems they'd be a bit old to die in WWI.
If he was a Church Warden at Glendermott he was Church of Ireland and the family probably lived near that area.
1910 directory lists a James McCully, Argyll St. under Boot and Shoe Makers but more likely is: Thomas McCully, Spencer Rd (Grocer, seed & Manure Merchant, Hardward Merchant).
P.S. it's Harbour Police (not Hourbour).
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Many thanks for your help and sorry I did get a bit confused with the dates. He was born in 1864 and died aged 74 in 1938. I have some hear say information that he was dismissed from the police the day king Edward VII visited Londonderry (July 29 1903). He was drunk on duty. I searched through the Derry newpapers but could find sadly I could not find any reports of this. He did live with his family in Fountain Hill.
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Hi Neilscott,
Welcome to RootsChat.
Both Derry and Belfast had their own police forces but problems involving sectarian violence meant that
they were both disbanded by 1870. The RIC were then in both cities and the RUC started around 1922.
Christopher
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Might be a good idea to look at the church records for baptisms, etc.
Glendermott Church of Ireland:
baptisms1810-1900
marriages 1808-1828, 1842-1845, 1845-1900
Burials 1866-1894
Not sure where you are located but PRONI have the above records on microfilm, as do Coleraine Library, and if you can't get to either place it might be worth checking LDS catalogue.
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this may be him. ARCHIBALD SCOTT 29-2-1864 KILDERRY, DERRY. PARENTS. SAMUEL SCOTT & MATILDA GORDON.
MARRIAGE. ARCHIBALD SCOTT TO EMMA SMYTH 1-6-1886 @ CHRISTCHURCH COFI ,TEMPLEMORE ,DERRY.
SAMUEL SCOTT TO MATILDA GORDON 6-11-1857 & DERRY CIVIL REGISTRARS OFFICE. TEMPLEMORE, DERRY.
regards mary.
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IGI shows birth name as Archibold Scott (alternative spelling of Archibald).
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Ulster Covenant of 1912 has been signed by an Archibald Scott and a Gordon Scott of 66 Fountain Hill, Londonderry.
Archibald's signature can be seen at this link. (http://www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch/ImgPopup.asp?p=../ulstercovenant/images/djvu/M0018690008.png)
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found these on the national archives site royal navy. if you pay £3-50 for each one on line it gives a bit more about them. they may be the two lost in ww1.
ARCHIBALD PATRICK SCOTT. DOB. 26-6-1896. LONDONDERRY.
THOMAS SCOTT. 21-3-1880. GLENDERMOT, LONDONDERRY.
regards mary.
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Hello, many thanks for all this information.
Aghadowey many thanks. I live in Nottingham but have just had my first trip to Derry to see what I could find out in the local library. Maybe a trip to Belfast PRONI would be beneficial. Sorry but could you let me know what IGI is please?
Christopher thanks for the info re RIC and RUC; from this I would guess Archie was in the RIC, with a location around the harbor. Do you know if there is any way of finding out of members of the RIC and service details? I guess this could be quite sensitive?
As the story goes he was Archie was found drunk in uniform his Sergeant said he would rather lose is right arm than have a drunken officer at the time of the Kings visit to Derry. Archibald was sacked and the Sergeant lost his right arm some weeks later! (this could just be a family tail, but quite interesting)
Mary, wow - thanks this looks very possible, especially as I know they had two sons as Samuel and Gordon. I do have a copy of my grandmother’s birth certificate with the parents being Archibald Scott and Mary Smith this was dated 4th June 1898. It does use the spelling of Smith (not Smyth). How much importance should I put on the spelling? Things do seem to line up with dates as this made my grandmothers birth 12 years after the marriage of Archi and Emma Smyth. I will try and find out the birth date of their eldest child and if this comes in after the marriage then it increases the probability.
Cheers Neil
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IGI is International Genealogical Index at www.familysearch.org.
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Thanks aghadowey and thanks Scottmum this is Archibald and his son Gordon. The two son's that where killed in the war are Archi (Inniskillin Fusiliers) KIA France and Samuel KIA Somme.
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from national archives (ww1 campaign medals)
archibald scott. royal inniskilling fusiliers. regiment no.9831. rank corporal.
samuel scott. same as above regiment no. 21245. rank lance corporal.
regards mary.
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Hello, many thanks for all this information.
Christopher thanks for the info re RIC and RUC; from this I would guess Archie was in the RIC, with a location around the harbor. Do you know if there is any way of finding out of members of the RIC and service details? I guess this could be quite sensitive?
As the story goes he was Archie was found drunk in uniform his Sergeant said he would rather lose is right arm than have a drunken officer at the time of the Kings visit to Derry. Archibald was sacked and the Sergeant lost his right arm some weeks later! (this could just be a family tail, but quite interesting)
Cheers Neil
Hi Neil,
Jim Herlihy has done a large amount of research into the RIC and written two or three books about the force. The one you require to get a few details of your ancestor would be a hardcover volume called "The Royal Irish Constabulary: A Complete Alphabetical List of Officers and Men, 1816-1922" If he's listed it will show his number and the approximate time he joined. That's sufficient to enable you to get more information at the Garda Síochána Museum and Archives (http://www.esatclear.ie/~garda/museum.html)
Christopher
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This link will also give you useful information (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=244&j=1).
And this link too. (http://www.psni.police.uk/index/pg_police_museum.htm)
And lastly, in particular, this one. (http://www.psni.police.uk/index/pg_police_museum/pg_geneology_information.htm)
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There's also an independent police force in Ireland which is one of the six Home Office approved independent police forces in the United Kingdom. That's the Belfast Harbour Police (BHP) (http://www.belfast-harbour.co.uk/corporate-security.htm) which was established in 1847.
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Thanks MaryDerry, I belive the information you provided is correct
"this may be him. ARCHIBALD SCOTT 29-2-1864 KILDERRY, DERRY. PARENTS. SAMUEL SCOTT & MATILDA GORDON.
MARRIAGE. ARCHIBALD SCOTT TO EMMA SMYTH 1-6-1886 @ CHRISTCHURCH COFI ,TEMPLEMORE ,DERRY.
SAMUEL SCOTT TO MATILDA GORDON 6-11-1857 & DERRY CIVIL REGISTRARS OFFICE. TEMPLEMORE, DERRY.
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How did you get this?Thanks