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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: stevenson on Saturday 24 November 07 17:03 GMT (UK)
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in 1785
Micheal Twigg was at these premises with warehouse in Millfield
by 1790's the business is Gilmore and Twigg
then Wallace ,Lyle and Whittle 1801
then James and John Whittle
I keep tripping over Lyle's and Whittle's can anyone help please
any information would be most greatfully received
Steve
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Capt. Steve,
A Mr. WALLACE & James WHITTLE were in business at Muckamore during the 2nd half of the 18thC, initially mostly bleaching/beetling linen.
[Later they were joined by William CHAINE from Portglenone, who married James' daughter Jane WHITTLE, apparently being given Ballycraigy House (an old manse) near Antrim as their wedding present by James. Their grandson, James CHAINE, was the famous M.P for Co. Antrim, "father of the port of Larne", who died from his exertions in making sure that Queen Victoria's only visit to the town went perfectly.]
Later, when James' sons started to come on the scene viably (from around 1780), the business was extended in to timber and corn mills.
Several of the family's sons were involved: James, John & Francis (later).
It looks like LYLE got involved with the latter business around 1798.
[There are several adverts in the Belfast Newsletter Index during 1798-1800, trading out of Belfast.]
James & John got involved with importing English woolen goods
['Twas in the blood. WHITTLE is an old English word for a woolen shawl!]
They seem to have taken this over from HASLETTs around 1807.
[Think this is when Henry HASLETT died. He was one of the founder members of the United Irishmen. One of the younger sons, Fortescue WHITTLE, had been apprenticed to him as a shipping agent up till 1795, but went bankrupt (like many others) in 1800, so emigrated to Virginia to join in business with yet another brother Conway WHITTLE. He married a descendant of Pocahontas, etc. etc.]
Can't tell you much about LYLE unfortunately.
[One of the witnessess to deeds signed in Lisburn was a Mr. TATE.
Hmm, TATE & LYLE ...!!!]
Capt. Jock
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all this excitement in one evening.....I am bouncing(again)
would seen that Mr Twigg must have sold to Hasslet then(the lease) the original land belonged to a Mr Orr 1750's up to 1780's
Think I need to dig deeper
thank you
Steve
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Capt. Steve,
The WALLACE's were linked genealogically to the WHITTLEs in a number of ways.
James WHITTLE's youngest son, Stafford WHITTLE (1784-1861), married an Eliza WALLACE.
[They lived at Thistleborough near Glenavy.]
James WHITTLE had a half-brother, Hans CAMPBELL (~1730-1800).
[Their mother, a Mrs. CAMPBELL (~1680 - ~1750), had married JW's father, also James WHITTLE (~1700 - ~1770), as her second husband. JW was their only offspring.]
Hans CAMPBELL had a daughter who married a Mr. WALLACE.
I don't know how all these WALLACEs tie up.
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James WHITTLE had moved to Liverpool by 1814.
[Ref: Deeds Nos. 46623 & 46624 of 05-AUG-1814.
He, and James WALLACE, sold their 1/3 share in mills and bleach yard adjacent to the Mill of Muckamore to Francis WHITTLE for £3,500.
John WHITTLE sold his holding to James WHITTLE for £750.
The properties belonged to Ian BRISTOW, Samuel BRISTOW and Thomas THOMPSON, and were formerly let to Josiah THOMPSON.]
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Earlier, merchants James & John WHITTLE of Belfast and James WALLACE of Banbridge had got in to difficulty with flour & corn mills at Muckamore.
[Ref: Deed No. 334980 of 28-MAR-1798 and Deed No. 336680 of 02-JUL-1798. They mortaged the mills, but then had to give them up, to Hugh THOMPSON of Baltimore, USA (formerly of Muckamore).
His interestes were represented by Thomas THOMPSON and Skeffington THOMPSON.
[The THOMPSONs were big owners, liing at Muckamore Abbey, etc.
The CUNNINGHAMs were also in the area.
They were big in shipping, and keen to start a slave-trading enterprise out of Belfast (see Linen Hall Library exhibition). ]
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Deed no. 404895 in 1807 holds the detail of the transfer between the HASLETTs and the WHITTLEs.
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Pip pip!
Capt. Jock
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Capt
Have you ever read the Deeds .... and if you have ..are they in PRONI or have you got them stashed somewhere.
could Hasslet have links with Gilmore's?????
did the Whittle's keep records of employees in Muckamore?
(Twigg family seem to split into two at this point one left in Belfast and the other's went to Muckamore area)
Wallaces...dunno...but I bet if you do not chase them up you might miss something.
Lyle's.....think I am on top of them...but they are giving me the run a round.(whats new)
Tate and Lyle...... ;D
good one or we would all love to be linked with the Percy Shaw ,Nestle ,Cadbury's, Stephenson's rocket..hee hee
Have you come across in your travels a Stephen Fox with your Whittle's?
will follow all the Thompson.s just to see what they throw up and the Cunninghams used Islandmagee a lot.
glad the Linen Hall Library has put this exhibition on ......if anyone reading this ,is nearby go and have a look....it is all down the stairwell's....worth a visit
onwards
Capt Steve
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Hello, Im new to Rootschat today.
I found a few posts on here about Hasletts from Belfast, I have a John Haslett born abt 1786 in Belfast Antrim who joined the army in 1806. Before that he was a clerk. With the date of the shipping company ending this year, perhaps he was related?
Does anybody have the names of the haslett family?
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Natstott,
I am distantly connected to Henry Haslett, United Irishmen, who died in 1806 and is buried in Knockbreda and also to James Horner Haslett who was Lord Mayor of Belfast and I believe MP for North Down. He was a co- founder with his brother of the firm J and J Haslett.
Regards
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Thanks Kingskerswell.
Are you saying that James Brother was John Haslett born 1786?
If so this is greast breakthough for me, we only recently confirmed that he was the father of Emily Haslett and his wife's name is Catharine. The only other thing we know from his army record is that he joined up in 1806, and was from Belfast. At one of his sons later weddings he is described as a clerk.
Is this the same one do you think?
Nat
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Nat,
Unfortunately I don't think that there is a connection, at least none that I can find. Sir James Horner Haslett's father was the Rev. Henry Haslett of Castlereagh who was born in 1792 so dates do not tie in.
Regards
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Hi Nat, your last message mentioned John Haslett who gave his occupation as a clerk. My gt gt grandfather was James Haslett, born around 1844. He married Anna Winters at Belfast on 25 /12 /1865. What is interesting is that on the marriage record he names his father as John Haslett. His occupation is given with the first word difficult to read but possibly "shipping", the second word "clerk".
It is possibly the same John Haslett as although the name was fairly common there couldnt be too many with the same name and occupation.
If you have any more details on his children I would be very grateful for any information you might have.
Stephen Haslett
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I can add a little bit of information:
The Rev. John Chaine (1802-1862), b. Ballycraigy, Co. Antrim, son of William Chaine and Jane Whittle; m. 1 Feb. 1831
Julia Hyndman, dau of Hugh Hyndman of Eglantine Hill, Co. Antrim. The Rev. John and Julia Hyndman had four
daus that I am aware of. Hyndman family connected to the Macaulay family of Crumlin and Larne. Macaulay family connected to the Dickey family of Randalstown. Dickey family connected to the Wallace family.
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Stephen,
Sorry for the delay, not done much family history recently.
My g-g-g-grandfather Robert Stott married Emily Haslett (Essex 1827) in Dublin, 1857. her father was a soldier, John Haslett. We found his army records, he was born in 1786 in Belfast, joined army in 1806, gave his occupation as "clerk".
Pretty certain that he was married to Catherine, and probably had at least two sons John ~(Southampton 1829) and Henry (Limerick 1833). Quite feasible that he had another son in 1844.
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Natstott .....I believe you are correct about Catherine.
I am still going through information I found months ago....but in chasing down Micheal Twigg came across documents linking Wallace family to lots of different properties all round Belfast area.
"Shipping" another Twigg link Dublin to a ship that went missing then was found again.
Seems I shall be tripping all over you guys for a while...........happy hunting
Steve
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someon mentioned a company 'Tate and Lyle'. do you know any more on who the Mr. Tate was? i am researching Tates, of the Coleraine town area. And articlave. thx.
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Tate and Lyle still exist and was formed in Liverpool 1859.
A minister’s son, Henry Tate was born in 1819 in Chorley, Lancashire
https://www.tateandlyle.com/about-us/history
https://www.tateandlyle.com/about-us/henry-tate
https://www.wearetateandlylesugars.com/products
There is plenty of info about him online he gives his name to the various Tate Art Galleries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Tate
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many thanks!