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Title: farish poss canonbie
Post by: adrian denney on Monday 26 November 07 06:16 GMT (UK)
am looking for the parents of George farish   born 1835?? canonbie??

i can find a George farish on the 1851  and 1861 census 

1851 farm hand

1861 living with cousin (head of house) William little and family .

am trying to find if his mother is Charlotte ???   & father ???? farish

and how he is related to  William little hence request .  i think his mothers surname is my link .

any help or advise welcome . thanks
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: Gadget on Monday 26 November 07 10:02 GMT (UK)
Hi  :)

George Farish died Dec 6 1889, Canonbie,  aged 55. Married to Marie Wilson.

Parents - John Farish (reputed father), deceased and Elizabeth Nixon, domestic servant, deceased.

The informant was Thomas Irving, brother in law.

Could some of them be related through his wife?

Regards

Gadget
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: Gadget on Monday 26 November 07 10:20 GMT (UK)
1871 Canonbie - Hairlaw Gardens

814 ED 4 Page 2

George Wilson, 44, limestone quarryman, b. Canonbie
Eliza, 43, b. Middlebie
Thomas, 12, b. Canonbie
Margaret, 8, b. Canonbie
Ellen, 4, b. Canonbie
Andrew, 1, b. Canonbie
George Farisse, boarder, 34, labourer, b. Canonbie
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: Gadget on Monday 26 November 07 10:22 GMT (UK)
1881 Canonbie - Harelaw Gardens

814 ED 4 Page 2

Hellen Wilson, 76, family dressmaker, b. Westrkirk
George Farish, son in law, 46, general labourer, b. Canonbie
Mary Farish, d, 49, formerly laundress, b. Canonbie
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: Gadget on Monday 26 November 07 10:29 GMT (UK)
Found a possible connection to the Little family

IGI patron submission:

Elizabeth Nixon, b.c. 1803, Canonbie. Spouse Robert Little. it's worth following up  :)

Gadget
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: Gadget on Monday 26 November 07 10:36 GMT (UK)
very interesting:

1841 Byreburnfoot, Canonbie
814, ED 5 Page 11

Mary Wilson, 45, ag lab
Eliz Nixon,35,  ag lab
Robert Little, 10
George Farrage, 7
Devina Farrage, 3
Margaret Beattie, 2 weeks

All born county
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: Gadget on Monday 26 November 07 10:46 GMT (UK)
1851 Crofthead, Canonbie
814 ED 6 Page 6

John McRitch (?), 28, blacksmith pauper, b. Canonbie
Elizabeth Nixon, lodger, 40, farm labourer, b. Canonbie
Margaret Beattie, lodger, 10, b. Canonbie
Ann Irvine, lodger, 7, b. Canonbie
William McGlasson, lodger, 1, b. Canonbie
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: Gadget on Monday 26 November 07 10:59 GMT (UK)
1861
Upper Thorniew?ts, Canonbie
814 ED 2 Page 4

William Beattie, 76, pauper (ag servant), b. Canonbie
Elizabeth Nixon, boarder, 53, Sick Nurse, b. Canonbie
William McGlasson, boarder, 11, b. Canonbie

So we might be able to find a death cert.  for Elizabeth.
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: Gadget on Monday 26 November 07 11:01 GMT (UK)
It seems to me that poor Elizabeth was an Ag lab/labourer most of her life and had children by a number of different fathers. She must have had a very hard life  :(

Gadget
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: Gadget on Monday 26 November 07 11:05 GMT (UK)
Elizabeth Nixon, pauper, single,  died Nov 5 1886, Canonbie, aged 77. her parents were Joseph Nixon, collier (reputed father), deceased and Mary Wilson, deceased. Informant - Robert Jackson, grandson.

Gadget
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: Gadget on Monday 26 November 07 11:16 GMT (UK)
From the censuses these appear to be the known children of Elizabeth Nixon:

Robert Little, circa 1830
George Farish, circa 1834
Devina Farrish, circa 1838
Margaret Beattie, 1840
Ann Irvine, circa 1843
William McGlasson, circa 1850

I'm now wondering if the Thomas Irving, informant on George's death cert, might have been a half brother  :-\


Gadget
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: adrian denney on Monday 26 November 07 18:50 GMT (UK)
thanks gadget.
this is my line i think !

i haveMary Wilson born 1792  (parents William Wilson and Margaret Murry)
 Mary Wilson mother of William little  born canonize c.1819 (reputed father mathew little)
William little married Elisabeth hogg
 on the 1861 census  George farish is shown living with them as cousin !

 so working on what you have given me George farish's mother Elizabeth Nixon and William little are brother and sister ????????????????????????

i found William little and Mary Wilson  together on the 1851 census with her as sick nurse  in canonbie  mother unmarried . yet to find her death !

"sick nurse"   is this a person who tends the sick or is she not working because she is sick .  ????

thanks for all the info

Adrian .

Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: Gadget on Monday 26 November 07 19:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Adrian

I think poor Elizabeth was maybe being paid a pittance to looking  after William Beattie - however - note  daughter Margaret Beattie, b.c.1840. It might be worth you following up to see if he was the father or a relative :-\

What a hard life they had  :'(

Gadget
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: adrian denney on Monday 26 November 07 19:50 GMT (UK)
just  been thinking  i know that the  census only work on what info  was given at the time but  william little  would have been  george farish's uncle. if he was elizabeths brother ????

more confused now
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: Gadget on Monday 26 November 07 20:50 GMT (UK)
the William couldhave been William's son - have you checked.

Sorry - I can't help any more.

Gadget
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: adrian denney on Tuesday 27 November 07 08:11 GMT (UK)
 thanks for all you have passed on gadget .   you've lost me there on which william . 

 mind i am now wondering how many children mary wilson had now   if she was mother to  william little 1819 and elizabeth nixon 1803???  (could the date be wrong as mary wilson born 1792)  life did seem to be hard  and they knew how to keep warm of a night  ;D.

thanks for your help.
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 27 November 07 09:05 GMT (UK)
Hello Adrian

I believe that this is the 1851 that you found

1851
Birnie, Canonbie  814 ED 4 Page 8

Mary Wilson, 58, sick nurse, b. Canonbie
William Little, son,  30, coal miner, b. Canonbie

It would appear that this William is the William who describes George as 'cousin' on the 1861.

My sums suggest that Elizabeth was born 1808/09:

Died 1886 aged 77 - birth circa 1809

1881census aged 72 at 814 ED2 page 4 - birth circa 1809
1871 census aged 60 at 814 ED 2 page 6 - birth 1811
1861 census aged 53 - birth circa 1808
1851 census aged 40 - birth circa 1811
The 1841census where she is given as 35-39 (5 year age bands rounded down for that census) is the ony one that is out.

I think that the IGI patron  submission was erroneous - she didn't marry Robert Little as far as we know!

This means that Mary Wilson had Elizabeth when she was about 16 or 17 which is plausible.

I can't find Mary's death either. i'm assuming that it must have been between 1851 and 1855  :(


Gadget
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: adrian denney on Tuesday 27 November 07 16:03 GMT (UK)
thank goodness for your work and  i agree whole heartedly  ................   this family just gets stranger and stranger .  with new surnames hitting at all angles ..............     do you think that  or is it most probable that mary wilson had other children  along with elizabeth and william    and again prob by different fathers     the vicar must have been busy  telling these women off  !!!

 shame really i was hoping that i wouldget further back with the little side  as williams father matthew little  just doesn't show any where

thank you sooooooo much very kind  board this .

adrian .
Title: Re: farish poss canonbie
Post by: adrian denney on Monday 03 December 07 17:40 GMT (UK)
well gadget  thanks for the help have been able to find quite a bit of info now . 
elizabeths nixons children that i could find  seem to be
 robert little (b 21/3/1831 canonbie father robert) 
margaret beattie (25/5/1841 canonbie  father john) 
ann irvine (17/04/1842 father john) 

the two  farish children   no luck   george marrie mary wilson  1878 canonbie    but what happened to devina ?????????????????    and so far no look with william McGlasson 1850????

have found that when elizabeth nixon died the info came from robert jackson (grandson)  he is the 2nd child of margaret beattie 1841 . her children seem to be  francis henderson 1863  robert jackson 1866 thomas hornsby 1871 (england) elizabeth beattie 1874

once again thanks for all your help !!!   the search goes onwards.