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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: thommoje on Friday 30 November 07 02:19 GMT (UK)
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Hello Argyll Researchers,
My family connection - Purdie , Greig , Morrison , Walls , Fogo , Buntain , Thom - from around Inverary lead me to purchase a book called " Inverary and the Dukes of Argyll" by Ian G Lindsay and Mary Cosh. A family story existed that one of our ancestors worked for the Duke of Argyll.
My research suggested that this was most likely to be David Greig who married Elizabeth Walls at Glen Shira in 1784. ( a previous post about GGG Grandparents` Marriage Venue covered that ) David Greig was listed as an Overseer as was his son William , born 1785. The " Who Owns Scotland " site tells me that Glen Shira is part of the Estate of The Dukes of Argyll. It seemed likely that David Greig probably worked on the Estate - but Genealogy without documentation is just mythology , somebody said.
The book Inverary & the D----- -- has a list of Architects and Craftsmen in it and I found my David Greig listed there. Among other things about him , it tells me that a " new thatched house was provided for him in Glen Shira farm court " in 1786. So , apart from William 1785 , all of his family who were listed as being born in Glen Shira were likely born in that house and lived on the estate.
I would be happy to check for other names if anyone thinks their family may be mentioned among the architects and craftsmen and access to the book is not available to you.
Thommoje
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Brilliant!
We have a similar story in our family, but none of us young things really believed it.
I was lucky that when my gggmother died in Glasgow in 1861, the registrar wrote that she was buried in Kilmailu Cem., Invarary and that the funeral was undertaken by Wylie Lochhead.
Her father, John Anderson was a Maltman. On a recent fruitless trip to find the grave and headstone, I was standing outside a whisky shop when I realised that a maltman worked for the whisky industry. The helpful lady in the shop confirmed that there was a whisky blended for the Castle, but didn't think the whisky was made in Invarary. Then she remembered that there is a row of houses called Maltings (think that's right) and they are on the estate.
So, is there any information about maltmen or whisky in your book?
Once we found out that John's wife was a Campbell, we thought the connection might be a bit more regal!!!!
Win
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Hi Win ,
In the section " Index of Architects and Craftsmen " mention is made of Anderson , James , mason in Inverary - ? eldest son of William Anderson , maltman, and as such admitted burgess and guild brotherof Glasgow , 7 August 1755: GB James Anderson , journeyman mason , Tron Kirk p ., Edinburgh. m. Jean, dau to dec. John Guild, quarrier in Blackford, 27 March 1768 : EM
c1747 f , working at Inverary; loses possessions in" guildhall" fire of March 1752
There is quite a bit more about this James Anderson and the building works that he did. Guess you need to decide if these folk are yours. I will look for more for you and will report back to you.
Regards , Jean
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I see you have Ferrier on your list of names. Me too!
My direct branch travelled in time and space from Muirside of Kinnell to Greenock via St Andrews, Kilconquhar, Glasgow and several locations in Angus including Red Castle.
The family occupation through the Williams and Alexanders was dyker/stone mason/builder.
Any possible link?
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Hi there -
I live in Australia but am researching my Mcintyre ancestry and have a great-grandfather by the name of John Mcintyre who was a gamekeeper - possibly at Inverary Castle around 1880 - 1900 or so - and I would appreciate your checking the book for his name - my cousin in Melbourne was looking for thsi book and was told it was out of print.
Thankyou in advance
HughMac
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Hello Hugh Mac,
I am also researching from Oz so we need all the help we can get.
No mention of a John Mc Intyre on the list of craftsmen etc but there are some McIntyre s:-
Alexander McIntyre - wright in Inverary - born before 1725 - many references
Colin McIntyre - wright - 1788 - 1828
Donald McIntyre - Quarrier - 1776 mentioned - house demolished
Duncan McIntyre - wright . 5June 1793 married Grizel Sinclair
5 December 1800 married Janet Fairgrieve
Malcolm McIntyre - mason - mentioned living in Laigh House in 1816 - widow still living there in 1848
These folk could be of interest to you. There is more detail if you need it , though perhaps not of genealogical use . Just ask if you need it.
Looking on your behalf , I stumbled on more about my Purdie family.
I purchased my copy of the book online from Abe books and I see there is one ( among several ) available for about $25 + postage. You could try Amazon or several other used book sites.
Regards, Thommoje
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Hi Again,
Have you looked on the Free Cen site. It covers the population of Inverary & Glenary for 1841 quite fully. You may find some of your folk there.
Thommoje
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Thanks - will check the Free Cen site - although my Mcintyres seem to have been born in the Kilmartin/Kilmorich area - John (around 1860), his father Hugh ( around 1828) and his father John 9around 1796) - need to do futher research and confirm.
regards
Hughmac
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Hi Hugh
You don't mention John's mother's name. Was it Catherine Luke? There is this birth entry showing on IGI:
JOHN MCINTYRE Birth: 07 AUG 1860 Lochgoilhead And Kilmorich
Parents: HUGH MCINTYRE and CATHERINE LUKE
Monica :)
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Monica
Yes I believe I have the right John Mcintyre as my great-grandfather (born August 1860) - and his parents were Hugh Mcintyre (born 1828 Kilmartin)and and Catherine Luke (born Jul 1835 Lochgoilhead). John's daughter Catherine (born 14/5/1894 in Suffolk) was my maternal grandmother. I think the next generation back from Hugh is John Mcintyre and Catherine McCallum - but not totally sure.
John died in 1908 in Thetford Norfolk and a family story suggest his family then moved back to Inverary - where there were relatives - possibly an aunt Isobell
Thankyou for your interest
Hugh
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Hi Hugh
From census info, the family appear to have moved down to Renfrewshire after John's birth where a number of the children show as born there then back to Argyllshire. Let me know if you have these census details and John's siblings or whether you would like me to post them :)
Hugh and Catherine's marriage (20 OCT 1859 Lochgoilhead And Kilmorich) will confirm their parents' names. Is this where you got details of Hugh's parents? Again, census info would help if you need it.
Monica :)
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Monica
Thankyou for your interest - I now have Census records for John Mcintyre (born c1796 Kilmartin, Argyll) for 1841, 1851 and 1861 all in Kilmartin plus 1871 in Gourock Renfrewshire, then for his son Hugh Mcintyre(born december 1828, Kilmartin) for 1841 and 1851 in Kilmartin, 1861 and 1871 in Gourock and 1881 back in Kilmorich. Finally I also have census records for his son John (born 1860 lochgoilhead) for 1861 & 1871 in Gourock,1881 in Kilmorich, 1891 at Stoneleigh (Warwickshire) and 1901 in Woodbridge, Suffolk.
Yes I have the marriage details for Hugh Mcintyre (1859 in Lochgoilhead) which show his parents and I also have parish register details of his birth in December 1828 in kilmartin which show the same parents.
I have 2 interests - trying to trace the Mcintyre line backwards and also how John's daughter Catherine eventually moved down from Scotland to marry in Hampshire in 1924.
I am not totally sure of the Mcintyre line as there seem to be several Hugh Mcintyres in Kilmartin around the same time (1828-1833) but hopefully I have the right one!
Regards
Hugh
Hugh
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Sounds like you are very much on track Hugh - good luck with your research :)
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Hi Hugh,
I may be able to help with additional information for you on Lukes & McIntyres, as my family have strong links with Lukes from Kilmorich, Cairndow in Argyll.
I have a pic of gravestone (see below) that is for the Hugh and Catherine (m.s. Luke), which details other McIntyres too as you can see. FYI . There's also a sister of Hugh, a Catherine McIntyre who married a Donald Luke too. i.e. a Luke brother and sister married a McIntyre brother and sister!
I see the post is quite old, so give me a shout if you require any further specific info.
Regards
Andy
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Hugh,
In my last post I forgot to mention ...
Your Gr Gr Grandmother Catherine Luke who married Hugh McIntyre was the Kilmorich parish post-mistress and lived at the PO and the church.
The Aunt Isobel you allude to in family anecdotes could was most probably the wife of Catherine's brother John Luke, who married an Isobella Brodie and lived at Cuil Cottage in Kilmorich.
The other brother Donlad Luke who I mentioned married Catherine McIntyre did not have any family.
HTH
Andy
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Hi HughMac,
We've been doing our family tree too and were trying to find out the next male above the one we have which was a Hugh Alexander McIntyre and Catherine Luke. We went to Scotland a few months ago as we live in Hampshire. We found their graves and some of their children too and went to the registry office and found out Hughs parents, John McIntyre and Catherine McColloch from the birth certifiacte. It seems that Hugh was a yacht master and drowned. His children John, eldest son(our gggggfather), Margaret (we have found she went into service at 16 and we presume she stayed in service till her death where she then got buried with her parents), Dugald (disapears after 1891 census, we presume he marries and moves away from family home) , Donald (lived in church cottage north in 1908 as post master after taking over his mother until 1928/9 where he moved down the lane to the new post office, the smidy till his death in 1951he died aged 77, he never married and during WW2 he joined the home defence) , Annabella(we presume this is your issabel, marries and moves away) and Julia (the youngest lives with her brother, and is post mistress and she dies a spinster). John moves out of Scotland and gets buried in Hockwold-Cum-Wilton, Norfolk, his son Hugh was born in Perth, Scotland but died in (we currently cant find the place).His son Hugh Alexander,born in Otterbourne, Winchester, Hampshire and was buried recently in Eling, Southampton, my grandad. My father was born in Lyndhurst, New Forest,Southampton and I was born in Southampton, Hampshire. The Hugh name has continued through the line as both my father and elder brother's middle names are Hugh. I realise that you posted almost 2 years ago, we were wondering if you had any more information on John McIntyre and Catherine McColloch as we seem to have hit a brick wall because of no census's before 1841 and have yet to go through parish records.
It seems we are very distant relatives :D
Emily
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did your Catherine (also nown as kitty) marry a steven bartlett??? Hugh(our line) seems to be the youngest out of those siblings.
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we also have a photo of John and Jane and their children which would include your catherine and our Hugh.
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Hi Emily
There is a death record for a Hugh Mcintyre (born 31/12/1897) in Winchester 1972. My Grand-mother Catharine married a Thomas Bartlett - their daughter (*) (still alive in Worthing, Sussex) is my mother.
I have replied to you directly with an email with more detail and given you my email address - but out of interest from your details above the names Ian and Adrian are relevant as is the year 1992??
Have fun
HughMac
Added: (*) Details of living people taken off to protect people's identity as part of RootsChat's rules.
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I realise it is a very long time since this chat happened, however, I came across it whilst researching my own family free as a surprise for my father, who is the son of John McIntyre, born on 1899 in Hollersley, son of John and Jane McIntyre, and possibly their youngest son. I have had quite good luck researching the line back to John and Catherine (nee McColloch). If anyone is still looking at this has anyone been able to go back to the next generation beyond that? I have also followed back the Pyper line to Alexander and Jane Pyper and then Catherine Marquis and William Pyper, all at New Deer Aberdeenshire, and William and Christina Lamb. Has anyone looked more at that side of the family?
Emily, you mentioned having a photo of Jane and John and their children, I would LOVE to have a copy of this if possible. Also, has anyone found out anything more about John McIntyre, b.1861 work as a game-keeper? Such as where he worked or where he went after Suffolk/before Suffolk. I would also love to be in touch with any relatives of the children of John and Jane. My father John McIntyre (but known as David) was born in Lymington in 1936.
Many thanks.
Beth McIntyre