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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: Peggy13 on Sunday 06 January 08 04:19 GMT (UK)
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Looking for this marriage, probably between 1825 and 1830. A daughter Mary was born Sept 2, 1830 in Eskdalemuir, if I have my information correct. It is thought that Walter had a previous marriage to Mary Brown and had 2 children from that marriage. Walter is thought to have emigrated in 1835 to Canada.
I really need some help on this.
Thanks
Peggy
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Hello Peggy,
The IGI (www.familysearch.org) has a Mary Pagan marrying a Walter Bone on:
26 JAN 1827 Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries, Scotland . The IGI has their daughter Mary born on Sept 03 1830.
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Children born to Walter Bone and Mary Brown (from IGI)
JANET BONE
Birth: 30 AUG 1814 Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries, Scotland
MARION BONE
Christening: 03 JUL 1820 Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries, Scotland
Cannot find a record of their marriage on the IGI.
If unfamiliar with Scottish research, the govt website (unfortunately pay per view ), but quite a lot of free searching, at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk allows downloads of entries. (You would be able to get 5 different onesfor the minimumum of £6.00)
Regards, Steve :O)
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Thanks so much for this info. I do feel that my Mary is the daughter born Sept 1830.
Peggy
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Yes Peggy,
When you get to a certain point things have to be on a balance of probabilities. At the end of the day, the only value of downloading the birth entry for your Mary would be to confirm if they were married. A couple who were married would have a 'lawful' daughter - whilst a couple who had a child out of wedlock would have a 'natural' daughter. I know, splitting hairs and hopefully not teaching you to suck eggs :O)
Good luck with your searching. Regards, Steve
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Thanks so much, Steve. Another lady has offered to look in the Scottish Parochial records to see what she can find.
Hope something conclusive turns up.
Thanks again
Peggy
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If you find the Bone family of Kirkpatrick, Juxta is connected to you there is a death notice in a Dumfries paper saying that a Walter Bone late of Kirkpatrick, Juxta died aged 52. He lived near South East Huntsville, Missouri, America. He died on the 2nd March 1878.
Let me know if you want the proper reading.
Betty
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Hello Betty,
I would love to have the reading. I know that Walter was in Ontario, Canada in 1851 but where he went from there,
I don't know. Maybe this is him.
thanks
Peggy
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Attached is the extract from the paper dated 4th May 1878, Page 4G
It is not very good, but it is the best I could do. You will see the top line does not refer to you. Also it might read "three" miles south east. It is blurred. If it turns out to be important I might be able to see the original newspaper.
Betty
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Hmm. I wonder if this Walter might be a nephew of my Walter. There is some speculation that my Walter had
a brother David.
Thanks
I will keep this on record.
Peggy
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I may have a connection with this family. My gggxgrandmother was Margaret Bone, born around 1800, who married John Moffat in Kirkpatrick Juxta in 1821. I have a note on my file that Walter is a possible brother or cousin. Margaret's father was William Bone who was a Leadminer. You should also try searching the Sanquhar/Wanlockhead and Leadhills areas, which have provided me with useful Bone information in the past. There is also a David Bone married to a Janet Brown, 1813 Kirkpatrick Juxta - daughters Janet and Margaret born KPJ and a son Walter born possibly Hoddam (1828). I think IGI records for KPJ only list females so an SP search might give better results.
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This sounds very interesting. I keep running across this David Bone and Janet Brown marriage as well. Would that be Walter's brother. I don't know what an SP search is. A friend has sent me a marriage for Walter Bone and Mary Pagan in 1827. It is believed he was previously married to a Mary Brown, don't have the date but children were John b 1813, Janet 1814, and Marion 1820. So maybe 1812.
It sounds very likely that we are connected. I have information, unverified, that Walter was born 1791.
Thanks
Peggy
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I'll have a dig in my files tomorrow and let you see what I have - some of it is conjecture, based on dates and places, but it might give you some leads.
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Thank you so very much. I look forward to hearing from you.
Peggy
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Found it sooner than I thought - I had typed it all out before so I will just paste it in.
I put this speculative tree together when I was trying to find a family for Margaret - I have not got positive proof, but the places and dates fit as does the naming pattern of Margaret’s children. It was not researched in any depth, but I might do that now!
William Bone abt. 1756 married Marion Sandilands (banns Sanquhar /Crawfordjoh 1776) Children: Janet 1779; Marion 1781; David 1790; William 1791; Walter 1793; and possibly my Margaret 1796 (no record of her birth) and John 1800.
David married Janet Brown - children Walter 1828; Margaret 1832; Janet 1835
William married Jean Heastie 1811 Kirkpatrick Juxta
Walter married (and I have two recorded) 1. Mary Brown 1813,. Children Janet 1814 and Marion 1820. 2. Mary Pagan 1827 - one child Mary
Margaret married John Moffat (my ancestors)
John married Marion Moffat (John's sister?) and had James 1825, who married Catherine Hastie who may have been related to Jean Heastie.
Hope this helps.
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This is terrific. Thank you so much. I did wonder at one time if David and Walter, brothers, married Brown sisters, possibly even a double wedding in 1813.
Someone else sent me the birth image of a John Bone, Sept 22, 1832, parents Walter Bone and Mary Pagan in Eskdalemuir. Also, a John Bone, unverified, no image, June 17, 1813 in KPJ, parents Walter Bone and Mary Brown.
Do you have any idea if and who might have emigrated to Canada. I know that Walter went to Puslinch, Ontario. In 1851, there is Walter and Mary, parents, with Mary 22 and John 20 which roughly agrees with the births I have. The problem is that someone else claims that Mary 22 is their Mary. I really think it is my Mary.
You see, my Mary goes on to marry Francis Wood in Puslinch, and then in 1901 gives her date of birth as Sept. 1829 (close). She names her youngest son Angus McKellar Wood, and her half-sister Marion Bone married Angus McKellar. The other Mary goes on to marry James Bell and Gideon Hood, and has descendants named David Bone McRae and Jessie Brown McCorkingdale. Her birthday in 1901 was Jan 1, 1827 (sometimes 1824). The years are often wrong on censuses but the dates are pretty close. Makes me wonder if she is a descendant of David, if he went to Canada, or maybe she went on her own. Is Janet sometimes called Jessie?
Anyway, thanks so much.
Peggy
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From www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (there's a lot of good free info there - and the ability to do a degree of free searching - despite being a PPV site)
"Interchangeable names
Some names are completely interchangeable e.g. Agnes and Nancy, Donald and Daniel.
Jane could be recorded as Jean, Jessie or Janet".
Good luck with your searching.
Regards, Steve :O)
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Thanks Steve. I have had a go at Scotland's Peope, but they weren't letting me in. Perhaps I should try again.
I had heard of Nancy and Anne being interchangeable, but not Agnes. Live and learn.
Peggy
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I’ve just looked again on IGI - and there are more children showing for David Bone & Janet Brown (Janet could be Jessie, also Jane or Jeannie). The are all born in Johnstone, Dumfries and fit in well with the wedding date as the first one is born the following year: William 1814; Adam 1817; James 1820. The naming of the first son, William, is an extra pointer to David being my Margaret’s brother. I know from Margaret’s death certificate that her father was William. Margaret gives her birthplace as Sanquhar, but that’s near enough for me and she was married at Kirkpatrick Juxta. Unfortunately the IGI entry for Walter Bone, born Hoddam 1828 is a submitted entry so needs more ivestigation. However, I forgot to mention, that the father of Marion Sandilands (wife of William Bone born abt. 1756) was called Walter and this could be how the name got into the family.
She also named one of her sons David. There is certainly some sort of connection. If not siblings, probably cousins. Can’t thow any light on emigration as I have concentrated on the descendants of my Margaret and John Moffat, who all stayed in Scotland. Her brother? John Bone married to Marion Moffat, also stayed in Scotland. They moved to Ayrshire around the Cumnock/Dalmellington area.
I’m going to be away for a couple of days, but when I come back I will try to sort out some more concrete evidence. As I said before, my research was in part unsubstantiated with a bit of guesswork thrown in and it would be good to see if we can settle it.
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oops - re-reading that its confusing. It was Margaret Bone (Moffat) who named her son David.
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Thanks once again. We are getting a tree together. Still hoping to find Mary Bone yet, born Jan 1, either 1824 or 1827, particularly as a daughter to David Bone. That would be great and should solve this puzzle.
Thanks
Peggy
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Hello Peggy13,
A 'submitted' entry from the IGI:
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Hi Steve,
Thank you very much.
I did find that on IGI but have to wonder. Could be right person, wrong father. Marian found a marriage of David Bone and Janet (?Jessie) Brown and a marriage of Walter Bone and Mary Brown, same year, same parish. Seems they are brothers. I don't know how close Ecclefechan where the Jan 1 Mary is born is to Eskdalemuir where the Sept 3 Mary is born. Maybe I should go to Google Earth and find out.
thanks again
Peggy
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Thought the same myself.
Distance between the 2 is 20 miles :O)
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=Eskdalemuir+to+Ecclefechan&cr=countryUK%7CcountryGB&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
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Thanks Steve. I drew a straight line on Google Earth and got 15 miles. So close enough to be same family. Where would we be without all this technology?
Peggy
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This message is mostly for Marian and Steve. Today, I finally got sorted out on Scotland's People and guess what I found.
I put in Mary Bone, father David Bone, and came up with a Mary Bond, daughter of David Bond and Jannet Brown, in Hoddam, Dumfries (where other child Walter was born), born Dec 31, 1824 and baptised Jan 7, 1825. With all the other indicators that Mary was a child of David Bone and Janet Brown, and the closeness of the date of birth (on Canadian records, Jan 1, anywhere from 1824 to 1827), I think this clinches it. This is Mary Bone Bell, and the Mary born Sept 3, 1830 is my Mary, married to Francis wood.
By the way, Marian, Betty sent me the death of Walter Bone, son of the late David Bone of Kirkpatrick Juxta, and he died in Huntsville, Missouri, March 2, 1878 in his 52nd year. You can see it (I hope) in these postings.
Peggy
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Hi, we have a really strong relation to these lines. I’d be happy to share it’s from my mums side she is a Moffat her family were, Dalmellington, Wanocklock, Dumfriesshire, Leadhills around Ayrshire… they married lines Bone, Wilson, Poole, Kerr, Janet Brown is on our line too…