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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Jeffrey on Saturday 12 January 08 19:10 GMT (UK)
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Dear List
My GT GT Grandfather was a Robert Armstrong born around 1830ish in Canonbie Scotland.
He had 2 illegitimate children with my Gt Gt Grandmother then disappeared off the face of the earth. No death record. I think he emmigrated leaving her behind. - no tears please she did nicely for herself!!!!!!!
I am wondering if this is him found in the 1881 Census
Robert ARMSTRONG M Male Scottish 51 Scotland Farmer C. Presbyterian
Jannet ARMSTRONG M Female Scottish 49 Scotland C. Presbyterian
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Source Information:
Census Place Culross, Bruce South, Ontario
Family History Library Film 1375910
NA Film Number C-13274
District 176
Sub-district C
Division 2
Page Number 45
Household Number 202
Can any one look him up in other census's for me from 1861 and also how can I get to know where in Scotland he is from..
Thank you very much.
Judy
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http://db.library.queensu.ca/census/
1871 census for Ontario.
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http://www.ogs.on.ca/ogspi/6/6.htm
this one is a good one..
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This looks like the death registration for the Robert you found in the census:
Robert Armstrong
Widow
Age: 89 years
Where born: Dumf. Scotland
Retired Farmer
Father: John Armstrong, Scotland
Mother: Elliott, Scotland
Informant: John Armstrong, Teeswater, Ontario, Son
Date of Death: Jan. 18, 1920
Cause of Death: Senile Decay
Do you think this is your Robert?
Karen
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That just may be him and he comes from Dmf originally.
Wonder where I could get more info on him. Especially where in Dumfries he is from and if there are any relatives living. Also when he emmigrated to Canada.
Thank you very much - not 100% sure it is him but certainly he is well in the running - especially as the age is spot on. Getting excited about this find!
Judy
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on the 1901 census at www.automatedgenealogy.com that Robert states he came to Canada 1853.
Do you know when yours roughly dissappeared?
Karen
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This looks like a marriage of a son
George Bell Armstrong
Born: Puslinch, Ontario
Age: 28 years
Parents: Robert Armstrong & Janet Kerr
to:
Elspit Thomson
Date of Marriage: November 14, 1894
I see you have "Bell" in your surname list, is it from Robert's side?
Karen
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Thank you for the help I am most grateful.
He must have disappeared no earlier than 1855 and not later than 1861.
So 1853 is a bit early -however I sometimes people forget when they did things so wonder if he could have got the years mixed up.
How did you get him on the 1901 Census on the web site without going through all the Armstrongs - I can not seem to use it efficiently. But it appears to be an excellant site.
Judy
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Just thinking even if it is not him then it will rule him out and I can look further.
The Bell is not from his side.
Judy
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Looking back at the earliest date he could have emigrated - that would have been after Julyish 1854.
Where would I be able to find out when some one emigrated to Canada? That would give me concluse proof.
I think I have found his family in Scotland - I wonder if any of his brothers went with him. Will look on the web site for the census's that you gave me Karen.
Still hoping it is him.
Judy
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Do you know who his parents were? That would be a big help as they might be listed on his marriage or death record - like the death registration Karen found.
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His father was definately a John Armstrong but I think his mother was an Isabel Little. However on the death that Karen found it said Elliot. If so will have to look further for their family. However there is only one Robert Armstrong recorded as born in Dumfries in 1831 and this is him.
I have however found that often children & grandchildren did not know the name of their grandmother in England and I have had other instances where they have got the surname completely wrong. So the only sure thing is his father being John.
Cheers
Judy
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Hi Jorose,
Thank you for your help
Just seen that the names of parents may be on the marriage certificate - how would I find that?
Judy
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Not that it is correct, as submissions tend to be off, but Robert born to John & Isabel Little says 1827... Where did you find 2 parent's names, was this family history?
Also did you look at the 2 Roberts in the U.S. for 1880?
J.J.
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There's a few likelys listed between 1854-1861...did you know his occupation, by chance...?
http://www.castlegarden.org/
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Hi JJ
Got the year from the 1841 & 1851 census which can be a little off and from another posting on rootschat . I have tried to contact the person who posted it but they haven't got back to me yet.
Where did you get ithe date from - I would be very interested. As it is very hard to trace all the Armstrongs from that area and I am looking at every possibility.
Also the Robert Armstrong born 1833 on the American cenus is definately not the father. I have researched him and his family quite well. He was the front runner as he came from a farm called Torcoon (spelt many ways) near Canonbie and that is where my Gt Grandmother was born but he unfortunately emigrated before my gt grandmothers conception!
Have not researched the other one on the American Census. Do you know how I would go about that please.
Your new post has just arrived - Yes he was a Servant - probably agricultural on a farm - that is why emigrating would give him a great opportunity of owning a farm or land.
Judy
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:) The two I saw from Scotland on the 1880 were born 1825 and 1830...in Iowa & Mich. Both are farmers. ( there's also one in the U.K./ b. 1830, a domestic Gardener..doesn't state where in Scotland)
The information from the IGI is on the same LDS site, IGI submissions...
birth June 22 1826 Priorhill, Canonbie, Dumfries, Scotland
The immigration in 1856 of one born in 1830, Occupation unknown, could be the one in the U.S. as the one in Canada says immigration 1853...
We have an Immigration to the U.S. board as well... J.J.
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Hi JJ
Thank you for the information.
Where did you get the information about the one born in Prior hill Canonbie in 1825 from.
I have looked at others from Canonbie but some I have discounted as they were not servants. I know he was definately a servant in 1854as the Kirk records said this:
Compeared Charteris Jackson with child in uncleaness and being solemnly exhorted and interrogated, declared that Robert Armstorng was guilty with her and the father of her child, that this guilt was committed at Orchard in the month of April last when they were both servants at the time.
Orchard is a farm & she was a farm servant.
Cheers
Judy My initials are JJ too!
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That was the submission for parents John & Isabel little
If you go here: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
This is their International Genealogical Index (IGI) which sometimes has extracted parish files, but these are submited by members...
It also shows other births for the couple, a John, Julia, Isabella, & Thomas...
Isabella has an extracted file...
Strange, as I used the batch number for that file, and all the Armstong listings were female only.... batch # C118144
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Thanks for the help JJ and Karen.
Yes, odd about that batch just giving females.
I have now found the information On Robert A* born Prior Hill on the IGI. I am also looking at other Armstrong's who emmigrated to America as suggested and there does seem to be a couple more from Scotland.
But they will take some time getting the information together and then tracing.
Any other help and suggestions gratefully received
Judy
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Amazingly I have found Robert Armstrong - he had emigrated to Canada then Michigan US around 1860.
I found him through DNA matches. ;D
Judy