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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: Dale on Saturday 12 January 08 23:40 GMT (UK)
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Kia Ora
Just recording that I am interested in making contact with any member of the OVERSTALL family who may be able to help me with information about the life & family of Marguerite Fairy Webb born 19 July 1905 West Bromwich and who died in the Registration District of Newton Abbot April 1987.
Marguerite seems to have married Mr Overstall at some time and moved to Devon.
At this stage I have no further information as I only learned of this connection overnight!
Grateful for any information!
Regards
Marlene
New Zealand
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Hi Marlene
I see on free BMD these birth registrations:
Clarence Fairy Webb .. June q 1898, west Bromwich
John Fairy Webb ... mar q 1902
Marguerite Fairy Webb ...Sept q 1905 , vol 6b p 830
will look for Clarence Fairy webb in 1901 , hopefully we will find his parents ...
deb :)
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Hi again
this may be them in 1901
Handsworth Staffs
Roland Rd
Harry Elisha F Webb head mar 38 Scale maker , weigh , b warwick
Jennie wife 33 b warwick
Harry E F son 10
Dais Fairy dau 8 ......fairy transcribed as Fany
Philip Fairy son 8
Clarence Fairy son 2 b Staffordshire, Handsworth
Ida fairy dau 4 months "
will look for more
deb
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Birth registrations for Marguerite Fairy Webb's siblings:
Harry Elisha F Webb - mar q 1891 Aston warwickshire
Daisy Fairy Webb - sept q 1892 Aston
Philip Fairy Webb - Dec q 1894 Aston
Ida Violet f webb - dec q 1900 aston
will find them in previous censuses to see if there are more children and hopefully find the marriage of harry Elisha F Webb to a Jennie.
deb :)
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1891
Aston Warwickshire
191 Wilton st
Henry Webb head mar 28 weighing machine maker b Birmingham
Jane Webb wife mar 23 b Aston
Harry E Webb son 2m b Aston
This may be a possible marriage :
Harry Webb
same page : Jane Homer
1886, dec q
West Bromwich
deb
PS I think obtaining Marguerite's birth cert would be a good idea , just so as we can confirm her parent's names. :)
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hi again
I have been trying to figure out were the 'Fairy' part of the name comes from ...No luck as yet ...
Henry/Harry Webb b 1863, father of Marguerite ( we hope ;D)....this is his family;
1871:
birmingham
129 Soho(??) Rd
John Webb head mar 40 weigh machine maker b B'ham (IGI b 15 jan 1831, chr; 15 feb 1831 s/o Edward webb & Maria)
Sarah wife mar 35 b B'ham
HARRY son 8 b Birmingham...he seems to have followed his dad's occupation!
1861:
John Webb head mar 30 weighing machine maker
Sarah Wife 25
Elizabeth Tuffley w. mother wid 65 , b Middlesex, London
marriage:
John Webb = Sarah Tuffley
june q 1856
so no connection to the Fairy name there :-\
deb
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One to consider? maybe poss. red herring.....could have been illegit...or got fed up with name and put Henry/Harry Webb around it???? As suggested Birth cert needed to confirm
Births Mar 1863 FAIRY Elisha Birmingham 6d 82
Marriages Dec 1889
Fairy Elisha Aston 6d 568
FLETCHER Jane Aston 6d 568
Cas
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hi Marlene ...
This is interesting ... and obviously needs to be verified that we have correct parents for Marguerite......
we have Marguerite Fairy Webb (1905) d/o Henry/Harry Elisha F Webb (b 1863, B'ham) s/o John Webb (1831 ) B'ham s/o Edward and Maria Webb.
It seems according to IGI that Edward and Maria had quite a few children born in B'ham.
but then I found this in 1841
Newton Abbot, Devon...Added this is where Marguerite ends up after marrying Mr . Overstall !!
Strand, Royal Hotel
Edward Webb 31 Hotel Keeper
Maria Webb 31 Y
Robert Webb 1 Y
I wonder if these are John's parents....ummm maybe I have the wrong people :-\
deb
Hi Cas ;D... have just seen your post ...will read
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errr yes I had the wrong edward and maria in 1841 , I think
1851
B'ham, upper Brierley st, court 17
Edward webb head mar 53 thimble maker
Maria wife 53
Elizabeth dau 22 unm
John W son unm 20
Hannah E dau unm 17
Elizabeth Mason mother wid 78
all born B'ham
deb
I have seen a marriage on IGI of Edward Webb = Maria MASOn
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Hi Cas
I had also seen that ... I wonder if that's him ... I still cannot find a Webb/Fairy connection ...I have even gome back to Edward's birth and Parents (IGI Samuel and Hannah ) ...no connection there either ....
maybe Marlene can shed some light ....
deb
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Hiya deb ;) comp froze had to log out/in again.... ::)
Can't find him on 1871 -1881 ???
Cas
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1841 ,,,just too tie up loose ends
B'ham,
Court 17
edward WEBB 43 silversmith J, Y
Maria 43
James 20 jeweller app
Maria 15
edward 15
Frederick 14
Elizabeth 12
Hannah 8
Samuel 3m
all born in county
deb
Hi Cas ...this is driving me crazy .... Do you think these are our people ? It looks like it as we have followed them back from 1901 ...
So you can't see Elisha Fairy b 1863 in 1871 or 1881?
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Nope, but still trying.... ???
Think the birth cert is only answer....could match up with what you found, but why would a bloke call himself Fairy if not born with it???
Cas :-X
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Hi Cas
i have searched 1871 ... he's not there , also there are no deaths ...except for an Elisha Fairy in 1854 .
I agree with you re the Fairy name ...not such a macho one for a guy ;D
In 1901...that's the only time he has his full name ...Harry Elisha F Webb . His son is named after him ...
Birth registrations for Marguerite Fairy Webb's siblings:
Harry Elisha F Webb - mar q 1891 Aston warwickshire
Daisy Fairy Webb - sept q 1892 Aston
Philip Fairy Webb - Dec q 1894 Aston
Ida Violet f webb - dec q 1900 aston
deb :)
added The Fairy name must come somewhere from the Webb side ... as marguerites dad Harry has the "F" in his name ...
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arrrrggg comp is on go slow, guess birth cert needed to confirm :-\
Cas
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From National archives ...This could be Harry/Henry E F Webb jnr ...b 1890
Online Document ADM 188/1079
Name Webb Harry , M30874 of Birmingham, Warwickshire
Date: 1890
DOB: 29 dec 1890
deb
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Hi again
I have been looking for Marguerite fairy Webb's marriage to a Mr Overstall. So far I have been through 1925/26/27/28/29/30, complete marriage index...no luck so far.
deb
added ; no luck on 1922/23/24
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woohooooo found them
Marguerite WEBB = Fred OVERSTALL
Mar q 1935
Birmingham
Vol 6d p 191
deb ;D
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arrghhh Have checked complete birth index from and including 1935-1940...cannot see any children for Marguerite and Fred!
deb :-\
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Hi folks
Thanks for everything - I know ALL the historical information and am now praying that no-one in the family sees this before I write the book! :'(
I have all the necessary certs to prove the correct position, and on my previous posting I did put that I had all the historical stuff - very sorry I put you all to so much trouble!
I simply didn't know who Marguerite married and whether she had any children and my Ancestry sub had finished! My family left the UK in 1878 and I have been trying to go forwards so have to get every cert to ensure I have the right family!
You guys have obviously spent time & used your considerable expertise and I'm so very grateful for the leads to Fred- I had got to 1930 with no luck!
Later - tonight- I will send you a PM with the answers! Don't want you to have sleepless nights!
Regards
Marlene
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Awww can we have it nowwwwww please :-*
We searched high and low....debs scoured index like a good un she is ....tell us the Fairy Webb story dying to know!
Cas :o :-X
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;D ;D Cas ... Me too ..i wanna know too LOL
glad we found Fred tho!
deb
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Brilliant stuff Sherlock deb..... true bloodhound :-*
Wonder if .... :o.... awww I wanna know NOWWWWW.... :'(
soz......didn't mean to shout.... cough ;D ....pretty please Marlene :)
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Replied by PM
Now back to the garden! ::)
Marlene
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hi Marlene
thanks for PM .... will look for Marguerite's siblings marriages....
deb :)
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Now have Clarence to Perrins from Cas!
Will order online!
Cheers
Marlene
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Hi Marlene and Cas
Back on the hunt... ;D
Daisy Fairy Webb was 8 in 1901 ....This marriage fits..
Daisy Webb = Albert V Westbrook
Dec q 1914
Aston Warwickshire
6d 1117
Birth Reg:
Albert Victor Westbrook
Mar q 1892
Birmingham
6d 162
Can't spot any children except for one with mother's maiden Name >>.Webb ..born in Hampshire.
Family of Albert V Westbrook...
1901 he is with his Parents : William (33 , Pearl button turner) and Annie (38), siblings: John 4 and May 1. Living at Court 8, 8 house, Tower rd, Aston manor, Warwickshire.
1891: his parents living in Birmingham with 1 month old William J Westbrook. (he may have died as he is not with them in 1901).
Marriage: William westbrook = Annie Tonks
dec q 1888, B'ham
deb ;D
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Hi again
Can't see anything for Philip, John F, or Ida Violet ...will keep looking tho.
Harry E Webb , eldest son....b 1891
Marriage;
Harry E Webb = Elsie Heath
June q 1915
aston
6d 981
there are a few births for elsie that would fit ... not sure which one is hers :-\
deb
added possible children ....
Lily webb (mmn = heath) jun q 1820 Wolsall Staffs 6b 1561
or
Richard W webb (mmn = Heath) jun q 1920 Wolstanton Staffs 6b 162
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Kia Ora Deb
Many thanks indeed!
John Fairy Webb was born and died in the same year, so out of the picture!
There seems to be general drift to the ASTON area as opposed to Handsworth where they were in 1901 ???
I'll try the certs for Harry & Daisy- nothing to lose as B'ham Reg office only issues when the details you have match. By the time they get Down Under about 10 days will have passed!
I'll let you know! I am very grateful for your help!
Now! How many more mysteries do you Super Sleuths want??
Cheers -sweating already and it's only 9ish!
Marlene
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Hi Marlene
so glad to be of help ...I love a good mystery !! ;D
Will try to find Philip and Ida's marriages . Seems like these kids didn't have too many offspring , unless of courese they have yet to be transcribed ...
I wonder if Ida went under the name Violet? How great would it be , to be called Violet Fairy !
bring on the other mysteries ... LOL
deb :)
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Violet Fairy Web(b)??
I just noticed a poor child named FARR in the registrations. His/her parents named the child NEAR.
Near Farr! Some of the names are classics!
This family is my biggest mystery as no-one knows of the father! And it took me awhile and many dollars to get a s far as I have !
Thanks again
Marlene
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hi Marlene
Who is Near Farr, when/where born . who is her/his mum? How is NEER related ...eeekkkk ...this sounds like a hard one .....Love it LOL
deb
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RELAX DARLIN!
NOT A RELLIE OF MINE just noticed the name!!
Cheers
Marlene
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OH MY THANK GOODNESS ;D ;D
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Kia Ora Cass & Deb!
Cert arrived this morning!
Fred Overstall 29 Chartered Electrical Engineer of Handsworth
Father John Arthur Retired
Married
Marguerite Webb 29 Clerk also of Handsworth.
Father Harry Elisha Fairy Webb! In full!
Any chance you could find Fred's father in 1901 as Fred was born Dec 1905 Haslingden 8e/102 - Lancashire. I'm hoping he might have had siblings and that gives me a greater chance of finding a descendant!
Just read through all your previous posts- what battlers you were while I was in the Land of Nod!!! Pity that there doesn't appear to have been any children!
Thank you!
Marlene
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1901 - RG13; Piece: 3855; Folio: 14; Page: 19
23 Piccadilly St, Haslingden, Lancashire
John Arthur Overstall 32 cotten mill overlooker, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Margaret Overstall 33 wife, Newchurch, lancs
Elizabeth Overstall 70 Mother in Law wid, Rawtenstall, Lancashire
Does not look as if there are any children yet....
Cas
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Hi Cas and Marlene
snap ! ..... you got there first ...LOL
Wonder why the mother-in-law had the same surname?
deb
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Hi Deb.....Think she is his mother perhaps they dittoed " Or perhaps stepmother?
Marriages Jun 1893
Ashton Kate Emma Leigh 8c 381
Churton William Leigh 8c 381
Ormerod Margaret Hannah Leigh 8c 381
Overstall John Arthur Leigh 8c 381
Cas
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Hi Cas
...strange that they should have no children... maybe some died or maybe they are at their grandparents ....
deb
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1891
6 baston st, Rawtenstall
George Overstall head mar 54 b Cambridge
Elizabeth wife 49 b Lancs
Elizabeth A dau 23 dressmaker
John A son 22 cotton cloth sorter
Frederick C son 20 railway clerk
Mary A 18 cotton power loom ?
Emma G dau 16
deb
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Just checked 1901 for John Arthur's parents ... No grandchildren with them ..they do, however have 2 other daughters ..Beatrice E (22) and Edith A (20) ..who were not with them in 1891
deb
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Think this Eliz. in 1901 is her mother and they dittod. (Newchurch is Leigh district)
1891 - RG12; Piece: 3351; Folio 91; Page 23
8 James Street, Waterfoot, Lancs
Parish: Cowpe Lench Newhall Hey and Hall Carr
Reg district: Haslingden
Elizabeth Ormerod 60 wid, living on own means, Newchurch, Lancs
James Ormerod 31 son, Solicitors clerk, Newchurch
Walter Ormerod 29 son, bookeeper, Waterfoot
John Ormerod 27 bookeeper Waterfoot
Margaret H Ormerod dau, 23 dressmaker, Waterfoot
Halstead Ormerod 22 son, Occ. ? Waterfoot
Cas
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Sorry Marlene, no children as yet...roll on 1911 census :D
Cas
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Oh you are fast women! ;D
Went to make a cuppa before hitting the sack and bingo!
Seems like there's no leads there then through siblings so I'll record the other names and see if I have any luck through Overstalls rather than Fairy Webbs!
I received Clarence's cert - he had changed his name to Farey Webb - smart fellow! Ida Violet was a witness so unmarried in April 1922.
Can you find a death under Ida Violet after 1983 without a surname? Born Dec Q 1900 so shouldn't be too difficult to work out the age! ::)
If she died any younger there's a problem I know.
Tell me to get lost when you've had enough!
Taking my sunburn to the spa bath now- under a brilliant orange moon!
Many thanks
Marlene
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Hi Marlene
I have just had a thought ... old telephone numbers ... On anc****y I can access them .... maybe that is a way , if we can find the right names , to contact living people and to find out about Fred and Margueritte Overstall.
I have seen some Ormerod/ Overstall and Webb names ...
deb :)
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Kia Ora Gals!
Just have to say a huge thank you! A descendant browsing the WEB contacted me last night! ;D
Have sent off details and awaiting a reply!
SOOOO excited !
Marlene ;) 8) :-X :-X