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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: ?? on Saturday 16 February 08 18:41 GMT (UK)
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What do you want to know about her Steve - parents and siblings - or do you have them ?
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Well, this is the nearest match I can find in 1891:
RG12. P.801. Fol 44 Pg. 18
Bevenden Farm, Falmer
Thomas Reed Head M NK Carter B. Sussex, Brighton
Mary J ~ Wife M 33 B. Sussex, Keysmer
Phoebe E E M Reed Dau 11 B. Sussex Brighton
Mary J ~ Dau 10 ~ ~
John A ~ Son 8 ~ ~
Mary E Reed Dau 3 B. Sussex, Falmer
Dorcas H C Reed Dau 2 ~ ~
Dorothy E Reed Dau under 1 mth. B. Sussex, Falmer
age not quite right but can't at the moment see another Mary j
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Steve - I think that probably the best way to take this back would be to get the marriage certificate and find her father's name.
If the only evidence you have for her being born in Brighton is the 1901 - maybe she was born in the Brighton area - or somewhere in Sussex ?
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The only Mary Jane REED born 1877 in Sussex according to FreeBMD was registered Uckfield Jun qtr. No READ, REID or RIED. The only Mary Janes in Brighton were 1882 and 1883.
1881 has her with her parents John and Eliza at Horsmonden in Kent. She was born Framfield, all her older siblings at Brenchley. Father John also born Brenchley was an ag lab.
Perhaps Mum44 could have a look for these ones in 1891.
Ian C
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Well, sadly I can't spot any of them in 1891! I've tried Reed, Reid and Read, I've tried surname only and there doesn't seem to be a John b. 1839 brenchley or an Eliza born 1834 Speldhurst!
Nor can I find a Mary Jane b 1877 in Framfield, the only one is a Mary Jane Stevens b. 1878 No mary Reed - without the Jane - only one was b. 1876 in Eastbourne
Sorry!
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Sorry but I've been looking for your William and Mary Jane as Lipscombe on the 1901 census but can't find them. Can you be more precise about their location?
Of the 2 Mary Lipscombes born in Sussex in 1901, one was considerably older and the other was residing in Portslade, but her age (27) doesn't seem to match with the other info you have given.
I did find the couple's marriage in Staines in 1898 and two of their children, one whose birth was registered in Brentwood and another back in Staines, but get the feeling that somewhere along the line your Mary has found it necessary to be a little less truthful about her year of birth.
Do you think the one in Portslade is her (born c 1873) for that may help you find her on the 1881 census to start with.
Roy G
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Later births are as follows
but correct Brentwood to read Brentford
Births Sep 1913 Lipscombe Mary M E Reed Brentford 3a 134
Births Mar 1916 Lipscombe Clara A E Reed Staines 3a 32
Births Jun 1921 Lipscombe Phyllis V K Reed Staines 3a 37
Thanks for the update on the 1901 will go back and see if I can spot anything.
What are her son's names and why do you think she did not say she was born in Sussex?
Roy
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Found the 2 kids you mentioned in Feltham (Joseph and William Lipscombe) and a number of Brighton Reids, but no sign of the parents William & Mary Lipscombe. Only Mary around the age you gave came from Walthamstow and lived in Enfield.
I can't think the parent's surname has been miss spelt otherwise the children's names would be wrong too, therefore can only think the parents have been missed off the 1901 index altogether. Do you have an actual print out of the 1901 census showing them?
Roy G
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Got them
The index dropped the "E" off the end of LipscombE
Roy G
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Best fit I can find on the 1881 is an Elizabeth Jane Read who may have preferred to take her mother's name.
William Henry READ Head M Male 26 Brighton, Machinist In Wood Work
Mary Elizabeth READ Wife M Female 27 Brighton,
Elizabeth Jane READ Daur Female 4 Brighton, Scholar
William Henry READ Son Male 1 Brighton, Sussex, England
Roy G
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Hi Steve
Still a confusing puzzle to sort.
Jessie says he was from Brighton on the 1901,
so do you know who was his wife and where was she from?
Was it the Nadia Reid of a similar age who also said she came from Brighton?
Do you think she would have been his first and only wife?
And were there any Reid children there with that family?
I ask because you may be able to locate your Mary Jane by her siblings.
In addition, I still come up with a blank when seeking the family in 1881, do you think they have been overlooked?
I honestly think your Reed/Reid/Read/Reades were not very precise when it came to declaring dates or places. For example, the nearest IGI Sussex born Read to Jesse's age was baptised to a Jesse & Mary around 1850.
Perhaps you can get someone with access to ancestry.com that could split the difference and have a look for the family on the 1891 census for you. Your Jesse with 12 year old daughter Mary Jane may be on that.
Roy
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Hi Steve
Seen the Middlesex stuff, You have been lucky haven't you?
I too had noticed the Jesse Reade marriage in Staines and wondered if this had been a second marrige, but never got round to posing that question.
I also noted that the births of the suggested siblings Joseph 17, Richard 15, Jane 15 all said to be born in Brighton' never turned up in any Brighton registration, but had begun to think (albeit incorrectly) that these and your Mary Jane were children of the new wife who had subsequently taken their step father's surname.
I suppose it was a little remiss of you to not give the full details from the 1901 census a little earlier, but know from my own enthusiasm that sometimes I too fully believe I have passed some additional information on but had actually forgotten to do so.
From what I have seen from your Middlesex helpers, you have positively identified your Reed family who for some reason were either unsure or reluctant to give their place of origin to the census enumerator. Hopefully, their parents and earlier generations were a little bit more forthcoming with that sort of information to enable you to continue the search further back in time. If they do turn out to be travelling people which the father's occupation suggests, I don't envy you the task, for they certainly will be difficult to pin down to any particular parish.
Well done with the search so far, and good luck for getting further back into the past in the future.
Roy G