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:) Hello!, please could someone look up the census for JAMES MELLIN on the 1881 census living at , 14 DOWLIAS STREET, ABERDARE, was he still there in 1891 and 1901, Many thanks MARGARET...
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I can't see James and Mary in either 1891 or 1901, certainly not in Aberdare.
Sorry !
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Hello margaret,
You can look up the 1881 census free at www.familysearch.org
But here it is anyway
1881
14 Dowlais St
Aberdare
Glamorgan
James Mellin head M 55 Hammerman Neath Glam
Mary wife 74? Carmathen
Eliabeth Ann Williams Servant U 17 Servant Aberdare Glam
RG11 5321 44 38
whoops -apology -I misread your post -realise it is 1891/101 you want
Suz
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Hi Margaret
he is not at 14 Dowlais Street on the 1891 as it is unhabited
ricky
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;D Hi! I had a feeling you would pop up Ricky,, do you have the 1871 census for that address? Marg
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1871
James Millin head mar 46 hammer man Glamorgan Neath
Mary " wife mar 63 Camarthenshire
Mary " dau u/m 19 Glamorgan Neath
Anne Thomas? wid 44? visitor ???
John Hopkins husband mar 31 taylor? "
MaryAnne " wife mar 32 "
William H " son u/m 11 "
David J " son u/m 9 "
Samuel? " son u/m 7 "
Mary J " dau u/m 4 "
Richard " son u/m 13 months? Glamorgan Aberdare
Living at 14 Dowlais Street, Aberdare, Glamorgan
Rg10/ 5406
folio 73
page 35
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Someone has him on their family tree saying he died aged 62 at 14 Dowlias street, but it is unsourced , so that would make it about 1888 ??? ???. Must admit I carnt find him or a death for him.
ricky
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1861
I think this is them
James Maline head mar 37 hammerman Glamorgan Aberdare
Mary " wife mar 48 "
Sarah " dau u/m 12 scholar "
Mary " dau u/m 10 " "
living at 6 Dowlais Street, Aberdare, Glamorgan
Rg9/ 4067
folio 51
page 7
ricky
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;D ;D Thats my BOY, you have done it again, I just can`t believe this ,3 people I have been looking for for some time,,, I`ll explain,
On the 1871 census you have JAMES MELLIN WIFE MARY and dau Mary , also ANN THOMAS visitor, then you have John HOPKINS and wife MARY ANNE, (nee MELLIN)she was my GREAT/GRandfathers eldest sister who was brought up by her AUNT and uncle, RICHARD GUY and his wife MARY, my G/G/GRANDMOTHER being another MARY, sister of RICHARD GUY, they lived at SOMERSET PLACE, SWANSEA, with their daughter ANN KIFT who was married to a mariner, I had this off the 1851 census but after that failed to find them, Ann must have married again now being THOMAS,, I`m excited about this,could you find any of these on the 1891, 1901, I will look at the 1881 thanks marg...
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Hi Margaret
Do these look like yours ???
1891
Mary Ann Hopkins head wid 53 or 58 Glamorgan Swansea
Samuel " son mar 26 collier "
Margaret " dau/in/law mar 25 " Porth?
Richard " gr/son u/m 21 collier " Ystrad?
Annie " dau u/m 19 " Aberdare
Ellen " dau u/m 17 "
Elizabeth " dau u/m 15 "
Elizabeth Mary " gr/dau u/m 2 months "
living at 55 Glam Road, Cwmdare? Aberdare, Glamorgan
Rg12/ 4443
folio 61
page 1
ricky
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1901
Samuel Hopkins head mar 34 ripper in colleiry Glamorgan Swansea
Margaret " wife mar 33 " Porth?
Mary E " dau u/m 11 " Aberdare
William J " son u/m 7 " Porth?
Beatrice " dau u/m 2 " "
Mary A " mother wid 65 " Swansea
Richard " brother u/m 30 haulier underground " Aberdare
Elizabeth " sister u/m 22 " "
Joseph Jenkins boarder u/m 29 coal hewer " "
Thomas Williams " u/m 32 " " "
living at 2 Stanley Place, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5010
folio 12
page 16
ricky
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Ricky - I just looked up, wrote down and typed the 1901 and you were already there ! Give me one you're not doing !
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:) Hi! Ricky YES and YEs again, some gone and some added to,but it looks like the same family doesn`t it? I found them on the 81, living at 30 Gladys St Aberdare, all the family seem to be intact on that one, will have a good look at it tomorrow with fresh eyes, thanks again Margx
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:) HI Ricky, yes this is them,on 1891 though I think Samuel is son, not g/son, but that is by the by,,
could you look for me for the other children on the 1901who must have got married? WILLIAM HENRY HOPKINS b1861 SWANSEA, DAVID J HOPKINS b 1862, SWANSEA, ANNE HOPKINS b1873 ABERDARE, ELLEN HOPKINS b1875 ABERDARE, it looks as if the aunt ANN THOMAS has died by 1891, Thanks in advance MARG
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Hi Margaret
1891 A possible for William Hopkins
William Hopkins head mar 30 coal miner Glamorgan Swansea
Margaret " wife mar 26 " Aberdare
Thomas John " son u/m 6 scholar " "
David " son u/m 4 " " "
William " son u/m 1 " "
Richard " son u/m 3 months " "
living at I think it says 22 Cobler Row, Aberdare, Glamorgan
Rg12/ 4442
folio 115
page 24
ricky
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David in 1901:
RG13. P 5035 Fol 67 Pg. 16
19 Glan Roadm Aberdare
HOPKINS
David J Head M 39 Coal Hewer B. Swansea
Catherine Wife M 33
David Son 14 Coal Miner
Maggie Dau 11
Walter J Son 6
Cecilia Dau 2
Annie Mary Dau 2
Thomas Davies Boarder S 25 Coal Miner
All bar David J born Aberdare
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1901
A possible for William Hopkins
Wm Hy Hopkins head mar 40 coalminer Glamorgan Swansea
Margaret " wife mar 37 " Aberdare
David " son u/m 14 coal hewer " "
William M " son u/m 12 " "
Richard " son u/m 11 " "
Samuel " son u/m 7 " Tylorstown?
Mary or Ann " dau u/m 3 " "
living at 17 Gamblyn Sq or St, Aberdare, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5034
folio 21
page 3
ricky
Not 100% sure on the daughters name, been transcribed as MM, or place where she was born
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Ellen in 1901 - not very confident of this one,
Ellen Hopkins married Q3 1899 Merthyr district John Williams or James William Price.
1901 RG 13. P. 5018 Fol 193 Pg. 24
109 Ynys Lan Rd, Ystradyfodwg
John Williams Head M 30 Colliery Engineman above ground B. Llandough
Ellen ~ Wife 24 B. Aberdare
Mabel ~ Dau 3 months
There are lots with the same names, but this is a loose fit ?
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Thank you, I `ve put down Mary or Ann for the last daughter and it could be Tylorstown I think that is in the Dare valley somewhere, i noticed that THoMAS JOHN is not on the1901, could he be still around or perhaps popped off?? MARG,
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:) Thanks MUM 44, Ellens age is out a few years but that is not unusual, I will dot that down and file it i think Thanks Marg,
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Hi again Margaret,
Tylorstown is in the Rhondda Fach Just below Ferndale.
Fisherman
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1901
Margaret Evans head wid 60 Glamorgan Merthyr
William Morgan Evans son mar 27 horse driver below Glamorgan Aberdare
Eliza Jane Evans da/in/law mar 22? " Neath
David Evans gr/son u/m 2 " Aberdare
Thos David Evans gr/son u/m 3 months " "
Thomas John Hopkins gr/son u/m 16 coalminer hewer " "
living at 19 Hirwain Rd, Aberdare, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5034
folio 161
page 3
ricky
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Hi Mum
did you find David and Catherine on the 1891, if not they are on
Rg12/ 4444
folio 5
page 4
ricky ;)
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Thanks Ricki - here they are:
1891
19 Glan Rd, Aberdare
HOPKINS
David John Head M 29 Coal miner B. Swansea
Catherine Ann Wife M 23 B. Aberdare
David John Son 4 ~
Maggie Dau 1 ~
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;D RICKY, So it looks like WILLIAM HOPKINS married MARGARET EVANS, that clears that up, thank you, as it states he is a G/SON on this family,,Welcome back FISHERMAN, how you doing? I`m not very good with my WELSH VALLEYS as they are so close around there,is it near ABERDARE??
Ricky, do you have the censuses for the SWANSEA area? it seems to me that the first child born in ABERDARE for JOHN HOPKINS and Mary was RICHARD, tthe three before him were all born in SWANSEA, I have the 1851 and the 1881 but not the 1861/71 Thanks again Marg,,
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Hi Margaret
You have the 1871 see reply 5, will try and find them on the 1861
ricky ;)
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:D JUST CHECKING :P Sorry RICKY,, I think I will pop off to bed, my eyes are getting dim, like me, NITE NITE back to-morrow to nag you again NANNA MARGARET,,,,
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Hi Margaret
1861
John Hopkins head mar 45 tailor Glamorgan ???
Mary A " wife mar 50 or 60 " ???
John " son mar 20 tailor " Neath
Mary Ann " da/in/law mar 22 " Swansea
William H " gr/son u/m 10 months " "
William Day boarder u/m 22 cabinet maker Devon Barnstable
living at 38 Stafford Av?, Swansea, Glamorgan
Rg9/ 4101
folio 88
page 9
ricky
Nite Margaret
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Hi Margaret,
Tylorstown is about 8 miles from Aberdare.
Plenty of coal mines in that area. Three branches of my lot ended up in the mines in the Rhondda.
Fisherman
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:)thank you all, the only one now, that is if I havn`t missed her is ANN/ANNIE,got her on the 1891 but can`t find her after,perhaps she married? she was born 1872, ABERDARE ANNIE HOPKINS, thank you MARG,,
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Hi Margaret
I had a look last nite, and didnt see her, but will have another look
ricky
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Hi Margaret & Ricky
Can't see her as Hopkins in 1901 but there are two marriages for Annie Hopkins in Merthyr district which covers Aberdare.
Sept Q 1893 vol 11a page 823
Possible spouses William Jenkins, John Morgan
June Q 1894 vol 11a page 910
possible spouses William Davies, William Lloyd
Fisherman
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;D Looks as if we are spoilt for choice here, anyway bedtime for me NItE NITE both MARG,,
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Saw both those, but can't find a match for Annie with any of those 4 husbands in 1901 !
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the 1893 marriage's has 3 females and only two males on the list ???
ricky
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Hi Ricky,
Noticed that.
Just checking how many Annie's with births 1872 Aberdare there are on 1901
Fisherman
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Hi Fisherman
66 of them :o :o :o in the right age bracket, thats not including them spelt Anne or plain Ann
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There are 7 annie's on 1901 4 still in Aberdare. Can discount 1 as she is living with her parents who were Phillips.
So that leaves Evans, Hurst or Rees.
There is also one in Merthyr, Thomas
Take your pick ;D
Fisherman
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Hi Ricky
I just stuck to Glamorgan. Don't fancy checking all 66 ;D ;D
Fisherman
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Hi Fisherman
I make it 18 possibles born in Aberdare and still living there give or take a year or two for their ages.
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Hi Margaret & Ricky,
Had another thought on this.....so look out ;D
Since Annie was born Dec Q 1872 she would have given her age as 28 on 1901.
So I had a look at all the Annie's born in Aberdare aged 28, there are 11.
Discounted 4, either single or still living with parent.
That leaves
Cook, Davies, Jones x3, Owen, Shea, and Thomas.
Tried looking for a marriage that would match between 1891-1901 but can't find one :'(
Will try again this evening.
After that I need a rest :)
Fisherman
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Thank you both for looking NITE Marg
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Can't find a marriage that fits. ???
It must be there somewhere. As Ricky pointed out there are only two males listed with three females in 1893 so perhaps the mystery man is the one we are looking for.
Fisherman
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:) Hi! Ricky and Fisherman, WELL, forget ANNIE, if she wants to carry on playing, hide and seek let her, I`m sure she will turn up later ;D ;D.
Back looking at JAMES MELLIN`s children, I found a marriage for his daughter SARAH,she married a BENJAMIN BOWEN dec 1/4 1866 at merthyr, could you find them on the 1871, 1891 and 1901, I have the 1881, many thanks Marg :)
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Hi Margaret
1871
Benjamin Bowen head mar 21 collier Glamorgan Aberdare
Sarah " wife mar 22 " Neath
Theophilus " son u/m 3 " Aberdare
Evan H " son u/m 1 " "
Thomas " son u/m 19(14) collier " " think it should be brother
Mary J " sister u/m 11 " "
living at 19 Dowlais Street, Aberdare, Glamorgan
Rg10/ 5406
folio 74
page 37
transcribed as Bower
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Here they are in 1871
RG10/5406/74/37
19 Dowlais ..?
Benjamin Bowen, Head, M, 21, Collier, Glamorgan Aberdare
Sarah, Wife, M, 22, Glam Neath
Theophilus, Son, 3, Glam Aberdare
Evan H., Son, 1, Glam Aberdare
Thomas, Son,14, Collier, Glam Aberdare
Mary, Sister, 11, Glam Aberdare
Thomas down as son but checking on 1881 he's Benjamins brother
Fisherman
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Hi Ricky
Snap
Nice to see you back ;D
Fisherman
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Thanks Ricky, yes THOMAS is brother he is on the 1881 as brother age24yrs, he`s aged 5yrs in ten , he must have run out of fingers ;D marg,,
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Hi Fisherman
Its nice to be back, but struggling with the 1891 and 1901 for this couple ??? ???
ricky
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:D :D I MISSED YOU TOO,, but didn`t know you had been away, just thought you were fed up with this lot, please don`t struggle, if you can`t find them thats ok,, Marg,,
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Hi Margaret & Ricky,
I can't find any member of the family in 1891 or 1901 :(
Fisherman
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Hi Maragret
they didnt immigrate by any chance :-\ :-\
ricky
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??? I don`t know, ??? they might have, went on freebmd just now and1881to 1901 and found aa birth for a THEOPHILUS JONES BOWEN in NEWCASTLE EMLYN, could be that they moved as a family perhaps Marg,,
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Hi Margaret
I am like Fisherman, have tried to find them as a family and as individuals and coming up with nothing on them, not even a death for any of them ??? ???
ricky
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Hi Ricky,
I've been looking for deaths as well - can't find a thing.
They must have gone abroad.
Fisherman
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:D HI! it`s me again ;D ;D I`m still looking for my 3x G/Grandmother, I have been searching for her death for about 15yrs, she married at LLantwit church Neath Glam to SAMUEL MELLIN May 1805,her name being, SARAH MELLIN, NEE EDWARDS, I last have her as WID living at the Latt area of Neath with her S/I/LawDAVID JONES and family as their housekeeper that is on the 1861 census, she is then 82yrs old, after that I can`t find her on the 1871 census, her death is not in any of the church records that i have searched through many times, and she is not on the bmd or LDS, any help would be wonderful, MARG,,,
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Hi Margaret
I carnt see her on the 1871 or a death for her ???
ricky
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;) HI! Ricky, how you doing? thanks for looking,this has been a mystery to me for years, her husband is buried in the churchyard in Neath and I pass it everytime I go to the access point , only his name is on the stone along with details of his age,everytime time I pass I say under my breath",WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU DONE WITH HER", I think that she is still having a sly GIN in the pub that her Daughter and S/I/LAW had called the GEORGE AND DRAGON, I wonder if she has been mistranscribed, she lived with her S/I/LAW David Jones, thanks again Margx,,,,
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Hi Margaret
Giving her age in 1861, would have thought there was a good chance she would have died by 1871, but I couldnt see a death for her after 1861 ???. If she was alive by the 1871 she has hidden her self well.
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Well she aint with her son/in/law on the 1871 as he is lodging at The George and Dragon, in Neath
ricky
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HI! Ricky,No, I know she`s not on the 1871 census which I have here from my searches at Neath but, on the 1871 census are all her Daugh and S/I/Laws,JOHN WILLIAMS is married to her daughter also SARAH Elizabeth Cole is another daugh, she is 29yrs and widow, also the PUGHs are Grand/Daugh and family, but by 1881 John williams has died and they all left the pub and are scattered around the town of Neath, so I think I will try some of these names and see if they tie in with her name and age, couldn`t get on bmd yesterday, something wrong with the site, Margx
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:) Hi! Ricky, still can`t get on the freemd,,,but I have found on the 1881census 2 sons of John Williams now married one is JOHN WILLIAMS B1833 m to MARY ?? living at 23, bush row LLantwit Neath,I think they had more children than I have here on the 1881,he must have married between 1851 and 1861 he is not with his parents on the 1861 census, so do you think you could find them on the 1861,1891 and 1901 many thanks, Margx
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Hi Margaret
1891
A possible
John Williams head mar 58 copperas? maker Glamorgan Neath
Mary " wife mar 58 "
Samuel " son u/m 19 iron moulder "
Harriet A " dau u/m 15 dress maker "
Ann Griffiths mo/in/law wid 80 "
living at 3 Herbert Road, LLantwit Lower, Melyncrythan, Glamorgan
Rg12/ 4463
folio 149
page 18
ricky
P.S
Nice of the mother in law to hang around, makes looking for the marriage a bit easier ;D ;D
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1871
John Williams head mar 38 moulder Glamorgan Neath
Mary " wife mar 38 "
Sarah " dau u/m 15 millings "
Elizabeth " dau u/m 13 scholar "
Mary Jane? " dau u/m 10 " "
Hannah Louisa " dau u/m 5 " "
William John " son u/m 2 "
living at 23 Bush Row, Llantwit, Llantwit Lower, Glamorgan
Rg10/ 5432
folio 46
page 23
ricky
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1861
John Williams head mar 28 moulder Glamorgan Neath
Mary " wife mar 29 "
Ann " dau u/m 7 scholar "
Sarah " dau u/m 5 " "
Elizabeth " dau u/m 3 " "
Mary Jane " dau u/m 4months "
living at 13 Bush Row, Llantwit, Neath, Glamorgan
Rg9/ 4087
folio 76
page 20
ricky
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Hi Margaret
A possible marriage, which means they been a bit naughty :-X
John Williams
Neath
Glamorgan
1859
March Quarter
vol 11a
page 528a
on the same page are
Sarah Beesley
Mary Griffiths
unless you can find another one
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Couldnt pin point John or Mary on the 1901, and there are to many deaths for a possible John or Mary
ricky
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:) Hi! Ricky,Thank YOu for ALL the information on JOHN WILLIAMS, yes, they were a bit "NAUGHTY"I thought they didn`t do such things in those days ;D ;D if the date is correct they got married after the 3 child was born, WOW I bet that was a scandal ;D Do you think it is worth lookin for the marraiges for his children?? THe other brother of JOhn Williams is SAMUEL he was born1835 at Neath and seemed to be a moulder by trade, he seemed to travel around some,I have them on the 1881cen livingat BRYN TERRACE, LLANDILO where his wife was born, (as per census info) but his son JOHN was born at CWMTWRCH in 1858 and his daugh SARAH A,born1868 in Neath, I don`t know when SAMUEL married but its between 1851 and 1861, could you look for the 1861, 1871, and perhaps the 1891,, I`m sure there must be more children Thanks Margx
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1861
Samuel Williams head mar 27 iron moulder Glamorgan Neath
Martha " wife mar 32 Carmarthenshire Llandily?
John " son u/m 3 Glamorgan Neath
Mary " dau u/m 5 months "
Eliza Melin serv u/m 15 house serv "
Jonah? Roberts lodger u/m 29 minister Monmouthshire
living at Clew Road?, Neath, Glamorgan
Rg9/ 4085
folio 60
page 6
ricky
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1891
Samuel Williams head mar 55 chemical manufacter Glamorgan Neath
Martha " wife mar 62 Camarthenshire Llandile?
John " son u/m 33 clerk iron works Glamorgan Llan???
Sarah Ann " dau u/m 23 Elem school teacher Glamorgan Neath
Samuel James " gr/son u/m 2 Glamorgan Llandilo Talybont?
Elizabeth Rogers serv u/m 27 Camarthenshire Ammanford?
living at Holsyrefall House?, Tynybone Road?, LLandilo Talybont, Glamorgan
Rg12/ 4470
folio 32
page 34
ricky
Hi Margaret, No luck on the 1871 ???
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HI!THanks once again,on the 1861,ELIZA MELIN serv, yet another relative I see,,born 1836 in Neath,sshe is a niece to SArah Mellin and JOHN WILLIAMS, I haven`t got her marriage either there is a blank space for her in my records, so she would be a cousin to SAMUEL, will have to look,,the G/Son must be that of Marys,as she has gone off the 1881 census,is he SAMUEL JAMES or SAMUEL JAMES WILLIAMS? Ricky,
Yesterday we celebrated our Golden Wedding, we had a lovely evening with about 75 of our family and friends with us in our local pub which we hired for the night, lots of old photos which our daughter had but to-gether,were passed around and everyone was thrilled about the way the family tree was progressing, were your ears burning, I couldn`t sing your praises enough ;D ;D because they know how mad I am on getting this to-gether,, thanks again Margxxx
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Hi Margaret
Congratulations on your Golden Wedding Anniversary. Thats a long time together.
On the census sheets he is down as just Samuel Williams.
ricky
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:) HI! Ricky, yes it is a long time, but it dosn`t seem like 50yrs, time flies when your having fun, so they say,, ;D ;D
I haven`t looked at this SAmuel James yet but here is another stray that is longstanding, could you help on this please?,,
SARAH ANN MELLIN m THOMAS PARRY march 3rd 1860,I have them on the 1881 THOMAS PARRY w age 41 born BRIDGEND living at 68 regent street briton ferry, along with his sister, dom serv, and son PHILLIP PARRY age 10yrs, PHILLIP was born in PENTYRCH GLAM,haven`t found them on the 1861and 1871 could you find please thanks Margx
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PS,., Ricky , was Samuel, MARTHA and family still in LLANDILO on the 1901, thanks MARGx
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Hi Margaret
1901
Samuel Williams head mar 65 manager ??? Glamorgan Neath
Martha " wife mar 72 Carm Llandilo
John " son mar 43 office clerk CC Brecon Cwntursch?
Sarah A " dau u/m 33 Glamorgan Neath
Samuel J " gr/son u/m 12 " Pontadulias?
Elizabeth " servant u/m 16 gen dom " "
living at Tynybonan Rd?, LLandeilo Talybont, Pontarddulais, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5067
folio 35
page 36
I think Samuels jobs is manager of sulpric acid works
ricky
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Hi Margaret
think we have a problem here
1871
Thomas Parry head mar 56 gardener Glamorgan Bridgend
Catherine " wife u/m 54 " Cadoxson?
Thomas " son u/m 32 lab on roads " Bridgend
Catherine " dau u/m 20 no occupation " Briton Ferry
Elizabeth " dau u/m 18 " "
Francis " son u/m 16 washman ironworks "
Mary " dau u/m 12 scholar "
William " son u/m 14 washman ironworks "
Margaret " dau u/m 10 scholar "
Phillip Prichard gr/son u/m 14 " Glamorgan Pentyrch
living at 96 Neath Road, Briton Ferry, Glamorgan
Rg10/ 5427
folio 83
page 11
ricky ???
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" MEGGA BOOB" on my part Ricky, you have found the THOMAS and ELIZABETH in briton ferry that I gave you off the 1881 census but its the WRONG Thomas ::)
I can`t find my little red book that I had the church records on but I`m sure his fathers name was EDWARD,, can you trace a SARAH ANN and THOMAS PARRY for me??? and not for sure in the Neath area, ??? ??? Margx SORRY SLAP ON THE WRIST for me on that one :D
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Hi Margaret
So the one on the 1881 census is the wrong one ???
Sarah Ann Mellin was she the one born 1837 Neath
ricky
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YEP! SARAH ANN MELLIN born 1837 NEATH, Father THOMAS MELLIN mother Ann nee REES, Thanks :-*
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Hi Margaret
You got me stumped on this one, cos I carnt find em on any census ??? ???
ricky
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YEP! SARAH ANN MELLIN born 1837 NEATH, Father THOMAS MELLIN mother Ann nee REES, Thanks :-*
you sure about the parents for her ??? ???, only one I can find born Neath on the 1841/54 is Thomas with a wife called Elizabeth, with daughter Sarah Ann
ricky
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:-[ :-[ SORRYYYY!,, yes Thomas did marry 2nd time, Ann died 30th july 1839 and he married Elizabeth, but ANN was the mother of SARAH ANN,,Margx
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Hi Margaret
there is a Sarah Parry on the 1861 with husband Thomas. She says born 1835 Oystermouth. Thomas born 1831 same place, with a son William born 1857 born same place and living at Oystermouth ??? ???
just checked the 1861/71/81/91 no Sarah born 1837 ish Neath married to a Thomas Parry
ricky
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Ricky, SARAH was born in Neath and lived at, MILE END ROW, MELYN, I have just read a little note that I made on this file,as follows,,,,,
EDWARD PARRY, who I think is THOMAS PARRYS` father,68yrs BRICKMAKER, lodging at BONYMAEN (SWANSEA area) etc,etc, son THOMAS age 15yrs living with mother at CEFN CRIBBWR this was on the 1851 census that I have, Marg,,
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1851 Sarah was living with parents at Mile End Row, Llantwit Lower , Neath.
I can not find her married to a Thomas Parry dont know matter what I try for a search ???
ricky
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Who is Thomas's mother on the 1851 ???
Forget that its Elizabeth living at Tythegston ;D ;D
ricky
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1861
Do this look like them
Thomas Parry head mar 25 coal miner Glamorgan Sigistown ;D ;D ;D
Sarrah A " wife mar 24 " Cadoxton
living at LLanwonno, Mountain Ash, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
No wonder I couldnt find Sarah, been written with two RR's in it
Rg9/ 4048
folio 31
page 55
ricky
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;D ;D WEll DONE!,,, I`m sure that is them, he was born in TYLERSTOWN,,,, I think that is the way its spelt, if we go to the 1871,and 1881,91, I think 1901 is pushing it then,perhaps the children will give us some clues, thanks Ricky :-* Margxx
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Hi Margaret
do you know when iether of them died as struggling with the other census's for them ???
ricky
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Hi! Ricky, No I don`t know when they died either, the only thing i picked up was the marriage and what I thought was them on the 1881 census,which proved to be wrong, I have looked again on the 1881 and can`t find any clues what-so- ever,isn`t that strange,thinking back this must have been the problem some time back when I couldn`t find them at the access point here in Neath, where do I go from here???? Marg ???
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Hi Margaret
I dont know what to suggest, Thomas may have died and Sarah remarried, or they left the country. There are plenty of deaths for a Thomas Parry around Merthyr just after 1861 ???
ricky
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Hi!, yes there are loads,I just checked the BMD those with the ages don`t add up to the date of his birth and there are too many to even think about from 1861 and 1871, put in SARAH ANN one lickly one in BRIDGEND but that was in 1862ish I think, but no age on that one,if it was her then she would have only been 25ish?? Well we tried Thanks Ricky,, oops I even thought perhaps they put the name as PARRY THOMAS, but can`t see that happening on all the censuses :) NITE NITE Margx
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Nite Margaret
will keep on looking just to see if I have missed anything
ricky ;)
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THanks Ricky,, you found John Williams two sons for me being JOhn and Samuel, he had three daughters SARAH b 1838 who married WILLIAM PUGH between 1861and 1871 they had a 2 child Sarah Jane and Thomas,
Elizabeth b 1839 m ? COLE she has two children ELIZABETH and WILLIAM JOHN, she must have m between1851 1861, both these sisters are widows on the 1881 census,could you find them on the 1891 and1901 please, many thanks Margxx
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Morning Margaret
1901
Sarah Pugh head wid 65 Glamorgan Neath
Sarah " dau u/m 33 ??? "
John " gr/son u/m 2 "
living at Crythan Road? ,Llantwit and Neath, Neath, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5057
folio 42
page 24
ricky
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1891
Sarah Pugh head wid 49 Glamorgan Neath
Sarah J " dau u/m 22 "
William J " son u/m 18 bundler tin works "
Susannah Williams lodger u/m 24 domestic " Neath Abbey
living at 2 Crythan Court, Crythan Road, Neath, Glamorgan
Rg12/ 4462
folio 20
page 1
age is a bit out, but living at same place as 1901
ricky
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Hi Margaret
I think this is Elizabeth Cole
John Rouse head mar 39 doubler tin works? Glamorgan Neath
Elizabeth " wife mar 33 "
Elizabeth " dau u/m 13 nurse dom serv "
Thomas J " son u/m 10 scholar "
Margaret J " dau u/m 8 " "
Sarah " dau u/m 6 " "
William " son u/m 4 " "
Jilian? M " dau u/m 2 "
Elizabeth Cole mo/in/law wid 50 dressmaker "
living at Neath, Glamorgan
Rg12/ 4461
folio 80
page 25
ricky
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Hi Margaret
If the above is correct this is the
1901
John Rouse head mar 49 doubler tin works Glamorgan Neath
Elizabeth " wife mar 42 "
Thomas J " son u/m 20 tailor "
William " son u/m 14 coach boy (groom) "
Lilian M " dau u/m 12 "
Arthur " son u/m 9 "
Beatrice M " dau u/m 7 "
Gladys " dau u/m 4 "
Elizabeth Cole mo/in/law wid 62 "
living at 1 Colliery Row, Llantwit and Neath, Neath, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5057
folio 5
page 1
ricky
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Hi Margaret
A possible marriage for Elizabeth Williams
1858
Elizabeth Williams
Sept quarter
Neath
Glamorgan
vol 11a
page 585
on the same page
William Cole
John Huxtable
Charlotte Thomas
ricky
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:D :D Brilliant Ricky,shall have a look at the bmd now to see if I can find the marriages,if any, for the daughters that seem to have gone off the 1901,will be back Found my little red book with the church records i have ;D ;D
Thanks Margxx
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Hi Margaret
your welcome
ricky ;)
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Thanks Ricky, just been on bmd to look for the ROUSE daughters possible marraige, 1881to1902 but onlyfound Elizabeth, don`t think it was the right one by the date 1893 she would have only been 15yrs, so they must have been out in service perhaps away from home,, there is another one long time outstanding, infact there are loads here that I couldn`t find at the time in the records,Jane Mellin b 1842 married WILLIAM THOMAS 23 may 1868,stocker at brewery, living at MERTHyr RD CADOXTON on the 1881 don`t have them on the 1871,91 1901, if you could please find them for me I would be more than pleased, thanks MARGxx
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Hi Margaret
1871
William Thomas head mar 28 stocker? Glamorgan Neath
Jane " wife mar 31 "
John Samuel " son u/m 1 infant " Cadoxton
Thomas " brother u/m 15 ??? " "
next door are these people
Thomas Mellyn head mar 63 smith " "
Elizth " wife mar 55 Carmarthershire ???
John " son u/m 21 engineer Glamorgan Neath
Mary " dau u/m 24 "
Samuel " son u/m 17 " " Cadoxton
David " son u/m 12 scholar " "
living at Cadoxton Village, Blaenhonddan, Neath, Glamorgan
Rg10/ 5438
folio 70
page 30
ricky
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1901
Jane Thomas head wid 59 Glamorgan Neath
John Samuel " son u/m 31 stoker ??? " Cadoxton
Gladwy Maud Mellin niece u/m 13 " "
living at No8 Main Road, Blaenhoddan, Neath Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5062
folio 46
page 11
ricky
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1891
Not 100% sure of this one
Jane Thomas head wid 49 Glamorgan ???
John S " son u/m 21 stoker in tinworks Glamorgan Cadoxton
Thomas " son u/m 19 " "
William " son u/m 17 blacksmiths striker "
Elizabeth " dau u/m 15 dressmaker "
living at Cadoxton Road, Blaenhaddon, Neath, Glamorgan
next door are
David Mellin and wife Mary A and family
Rg12/ 4466
folio 46
page 17
ricky
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:D Hi! Back again to nag you,,,, Thanks for all the information, yes they all tie in , all the same family, Thomas Mellyn or Mellin was the father,Jane Thomas is the daugh, and David Mellin the son,, he married MARY ANN LEWIS 12th june 1877 at NEATH, was he still living at the same place in 1901 RICKY? There is a tale here,, GWLADYS MAUD was DAVID MELLINS daughter,and many years ago someone by the name of CHRIS THOMAS from AMERICA put a quiry on one of the message boards and I picked it up and replied, gave him all the information I had on this family and they were belonging to his Dad, ask him if he wanted a copy of DAVID and ANNs Marraige cert which I posted on to his home address, weeks had gone by and he never emailed me so I got in touch and asked if he had had the copies I had sent him and if he could give me some information on his line, his reply was"Yes I`ve had them and he was busy moving that he had bought a VINEYARD and all his time was going on the move,, "GOOD LUCK " I say, Thomas Mellyn or MELLIN died 26th June 1880, all the information on him I have had off the church records, I have the 1851 census here but not the 1861 or 71,, thanks again MargX,,
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:-[ OOPS a DAISY,,, just looked back, you gave me THOMAS MELLYN on the 1871 census ,thanks not the 1861 MARG x SORRY,,,
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Hi Margaret
1861
A possible
Thos Mallin head mar 54 blacksmith Glamorgan Neath
Eliz " wife mar 46 "
John " son u/m 12 scholar? "
Eliz " dau u/m 9 " "
Samuel " son u/m 7 " "
David " son u/m 3 "
living at Cadoxton, Glamorgan
Rg9/ 4093
folio 15
page 24
ricky
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1891
For David Mellin
David Mellin head mar 29 drayman Cadoxton Glamorgan
Mary A " wife mar 28 Llandone? "
Mary A " dau u/m 6 scholar Cadoxton "
Sarah A " dau u/m 5 " " "
Gladys M " dau u/m 3 " "
Thomas " son u/m 1 " "
also just down the road is this person
Elizabeth Melin head wid 66 pauper Llangain? Carmarthenshire
living at Cadoxton Road, Blaenhaddon, Neath, Glamorgan
Rg12/ 4466
folio 46
page 17
ricky
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1901
Mary Ann Melin head wid 38 Llandore? Glamorgan
Mary Jane " dau u/m 16 Cadoxton "
Thomas " son u/m 11 " "
David Wm Francis Melin son u/m 6 " "
living at 9 Main Road, Blaenhaddon, Neath, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5062
folio 46
page 11
ricky
P.S
Wonder why the daughter is Mary A on the 1891 and Mary Jane on this one ???
next door is Jane Thomas ;)
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:) Thanks for all that info Ricky will put it all together tonight if time allows,, I wonder if that ELIZABETH MELLIN is THomas Mellins widow he died in 1880 so it might be,, back later with luck,,, Margx,,
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Hi Margaret
your on early :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D
regards
ricky
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;D Yes, no grandchildren today, so while making the bed and cleaning thought I would have a nose to see what the news was,, lovely day?? should be in the garden,, AH WELL,,, :-\ :-\, another day tomorrow,,,MARGxx
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:) HI Ricky, well yes this ELIZABETH Mellin pauper is THOMAS`s widow shall check on the 1881 tomorrow and see if there are any of her family still with her on that date, Mary Ann Mellin onthe 1901 census, young widow there, David her husband died 4/2/1897 so left her with quite a large family of young children, no wonder GWLADYS MAUD was next door with her aunt, I wonder where the other children are? ESTHER ANN 1878, DANIEL 1879,MARY ELIZABETH 1881 SARAH ALICE1886, the others are named on the census`s you sent me last, Time for bed I think NITE NITE Margx,,,
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Hi Margaret
1901
A possible for Sarah Mellin
William Thomas head wid 26? blacksmith Glamorgan Neath
Elizabeth " sister u/m 24? gen serv dom "
Sarah Mellin visitor u/m 15 " "
living at 9 Edward Street, LLanwonno?, Mountain Ash, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5005
folio 128
page 3
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Only Elizabeth Mellin I can see on the 1881 is this one ???
Elizabeth Mellin head wid 68 housekeeper Camarthenshire
David " son u/m 22 foreman Cadoxton Glamorgan
living at Merthyr Road, Blaenhaddan, Neath, Glamorgan
Rg11/ 5345
folio 56
page 26
which seems strange as she is older in this census than she is on the 1891 ???
ricky
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Hi Ricky, Yes, I think that is our ELIZABETH MELLIN, I did notice the age but it is her as her place of birth is the same and her son DAVID is with her, I thought that the other DAVID that we have been following was their son but I was wrong he is JAMES MELLINs son, do you think that the SARAH MELLIN you found age 15yrs in LLANWONNO is David doughter SARAH ALICE because JAMES her grandfather is in that area, I wonder if WILLIAM THOMAS was married to one of the other sisters, he is young to be a widower, I also made a note here, way back, DAVID MELLIN a possible marriage sept 1/4 1884 to MARY ANN MICHAEL or EMILY EVANS could you check that for me on the 1891 1901 please, thanks again Margx,,,
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Hi Margaret
which David Mellin married a Mary Ann or Emily, aint that the one I gave on reply 108 and 109 ???
ricky
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??? Yes, you are right on that David,he did marry MARY ANN, Elizabeths son David is younger, so the little note I made on this one is WRONG,so we are looking for another marriage for a DAVID MELLIN???
Also, that SARAH MELLIN you picked up for me, WILLIAM THOMAS and his sister ELIZABETH in LLANWONNO, thats the son and daughter of JANE THOMAS, well done, you have found 2 children of hers after 1891, back to the drawing board now to try and find the marriage for David, thanks MARGx,,
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Hi Margaret
Marriages for a David Mellin
David Mellin
1877
June quarter
Neath
Glamorgan/ Breconshire
vol 11a
page 679
on the same page are
Mary Ann Lewis
Robert Reason
Catherine Richards
1884
David Mellin
Sept quarter
Neath
Glamorgan/Breconshire
vol 11a
page 872
on that page are
George Angell
Emily Evans
Mary Ann Michael
which is the one you picked up on
ricky
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??? HI! Ricky , the one that I picked up I think was 1884, with Emily Evans and MARY ANN MICHael, the one that we have been tracing the first child on the 1881 census is ESTHER ANN age 3yrs,so I think that its safe to say that this one is the marriage in 1877, WHAT YOU THINK???? Marg,,
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:D Just looked at the marriage cert for David andMARY ANN LEWIS, 12thJune 1877 both age 22yrs married at Neath registry office, Father James Mellinand Daniel Lewis Margxx
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Hi Margaret
I think we have the right one, just threw the other one in, just incase he was one of yours ;D ;D
ricky
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:D YES I think he is one of mine, infact I think that he is the son of ELIZABETH MELLIN the pauper, he is with her on the 1881 but not on the 1891 census so he could have married in 1884 to one or the other listed but i havn`t got the 1891 census to look, I looked at the bmd yesterday and there was a birth in BRIDGEND for a David Mellin I think that was 1886/7ish could he have moved to that area I wonder?,,, Margx,,
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No luck with the last David Mellin married sept 1/4 1884, only picked up on Ancestry David Mellin married ANN MITCHael, same one I think, looked on IGI etc etc but no luck,,,do you think you could look at the 1891 and see if they are around, Thanks Margx PS I think that was put in on ancestry by Chris Thomas I told you about,,,,
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Hi Margaret
I gave you one David Mellin married to a Mary A for 1891, her is another possible, I dont think I have given this one
David Mellyn head mar 34 haulier coal mine Neath Glamorgan
Mary A " wife mar 35 Aberavon? "
Esther " dau u/m 13 scholar Neath "
Daniel " son u/m 12 " " "
Mary " dau u/m 10 " "
James " son u/m 8 " "
Jannett " dau u/m 6 " "
David " son u/m 3 Blaengawr "
Elucia " dau u/m 1 " "
John Williams uncle mar 64 mason lab Neath "
John Gillies lodger u/m 19 lab in coal mine Irealand
John William lodger mar 48 coal miner Tredegar Monmouth
living at 37 Railway ter, LLangeinor, Glamorgan
Rg12/ 4452
folio 126
page 60
ricky
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:D Thanks Ricky, are the last lot still in the same place in 1901?? margx
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Hi Margaret
1901
David Mellin head mar 46 collier coalmine Neath Glamorgan
Mary A " wife mar 45 Aberavon? "
Ester A " dau u/m 23 Neath "
Daniel " son u/m 21 " "
Mary E? " dau u/m 18 "
James " son u/m 16 " "
Jennett " dau u/m 15 "
David " son u/m 14 " Blaengawr? "
Alveria " dau u/m 12 " "
Samuel " son u/m 8 " "
John Curtis?boarder u/m 25 " Swansea "
James Bailey " u/m 42 " Plymouth Devon
living at 15 David Street, LLangeinor, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5043
folio 84
page 90
ricky
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:D Thanks Ricky, that has cleared a lot up about these two David Mellins, I had all the children off church records, and thought that they all belonged to the same David Mellin and Mary Ann, as you would I suppose, as they all had the same names, A LESSON LEARNT THERE, if I had the birth cert of a few it would have given me the mothers maiden name,,,and I would have picked the mistake up before, the last lot , he was the son of James Mellin, and the other the son of THomas Mellin,, Many thanks Margx
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Hi Margaret
your welcome
regards
ricky :)
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Iam trying to find out about Esther ann mellin and her marriage to John Curtis .He is on the 1891 census as a boarder living at 15 davids st bridgend.
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HI!,It seems as if they were married in Swansea Sept 1/4 1901
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Marg
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Thank You for your reply.The reason iam so interested is that John Curtis was my husbands grandfather who married Edith Barkle in 1919.John was 55yrs old she was 48yrs and had previously been married to his brother Charles who died in1919.John must have been married before.They had 1 son together my father in law.He never met his father ,he was told he was at sea?.Could have he been married previously to Esther Ann Mellin?
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just looked at the freebmd now and there is a marraige recorded for John Curtis and Edith M CURTIS in 1919, but I can`t find a death for Esther ann Curtis,, sorry.
Margaret,