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Could someone please look for the following on the 1841/1851 census - they should be in Kington - perhaps the Kingswood area - Martha Bowen born abt 1809 - John Bowen born Kington abt 1805/1808 child Ambrose born abt 1835. Thank you very much.
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From the 1851 census index:
BOWEN Anne 4 Kington 2492 315b
BOWEN Caroline 8 Kington 2492 315b
BOWEN George 16M Kington 2492 315b
BOWEN John 11 Kington 2492 315b
BOWEN John 47 Kington 2492 315b
BOWEN Martha 36 Kington 2492 315b
BOWEN Mary 14 Kington 2492 315b
Mikey
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Thanks Mikey - Brilliant - its given me family members I did not have before. ;D
Thanks for restoring my faith in Herefordshire, I thought it had gone to sleep! :D
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In the 1841 census they are in a part of parish of Kington called Lilwall. Kingswood Common (the place you suggested) is thereabouts. Their exact address is Brick Kiln which has about 17 households.
HO107/423 / Lilwall, Pembers Oak & Chickwood / folio 10 / page 14
Brick Kiln
John Bowen / 35 / Labourer / Y
Martha Bowen / 26 / / Y
Ambrose Locket / 8 / / Y
Elizabeth Bowen / 7 / / Y
Mary do / 4 / / Y
John do / 10 months / / Y
Elizabeth Minton / 65 / / Y
I just can't make out the name given for Ambrose. I'm fairly sure of Lo??et but can't find anything in the pages much like the middle letters. Initial L pretty certain, and the last letter more likely t than l (one or two other t's uncrossed, but all l's appear to be looped).
Cheers
Steve
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PS Just checked the IGI:
Ambrose LOCKET bapt 01 Dec 1832, Brilley, Hereford. Mother Martha LOCKET.
PPS yet another afterthought:
John BOWEN & Martha LOCKET marr 14 Oct 1833, Kington, Hereford.
Ambrose having the "wrong" name turns out to be very handy...
Cheers
Steve
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Dear Steve,
Thank you so much, this is wonderful, I had no idea that Ambrose was born a Lockett. Great detective work I suppose its pushing it to ask who Elizabeth Minton was, can you get your crystal ball out and let me know. Seriously though, I have Elizabeth Bowen - who I have never heard of before now, I suppose she must have died.
Thanks again Sandra.
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Funny you should mention Elizabeth Minton - at first I though she was probably Martha's mother, but the Locket clues seemed to rule this out.
Of course Elizabeth could still be mother to either John or Martha if she herself had married again and so changed her name. Or perhaps an aunt?
The interesting thing is that Elizabeth should be a family member, if the census enumerator exactly followed the rules - but no guarantees on that!
The enumerators' directions include: "At the end of the names of each family draw a line thus / as in the Example. At the end of the names of the inmates in each house draw a double line thus // "
So there should be a double line between households, and a single line between families within households. Mostly they seem to have done this up to a point - eg. servants usually separated from "the family", but often not from each other.
Anyway, there is no slash between the Bowens and Elizabeth Minton - so at the least she's not ruled out as a family member.
Cheers
Steve
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Thanks Steve for this useful piece of information, I am learning all the time. Martha's mother and father were Samuel Price and Elizabeth Lockett. Martha seems to have taken the name Lockett - so when looking for a possible remarriage for Elizabeth ,I have looked under Price and Lockett to no avail. I will have to put my thinking cap on. Thanks again for all your help. Sandra
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Just a thought - did any of the above info give a birth place for John Bowen ? I'm not altogether sure whether he was born in Kington, although I know his wife was. Thanks. :)
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The 1841 says "Y" to "Born in County?" which doesn't narrow it down much...
Your best hope is to get details of the 1851 where the full entry should give birthplace. I don't know if the index details posted by Mikey in 1st reply, mean Kington is the census place, or the birth place?
Unfortunately I can't help with 1851 as I only have the Hereford-only pieces (piece number 2492 includes Kington but is in a mostly Welsh registration district).
Steve
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Steve, how does getting hold of the 1851 census work? From what you say, I take it you can get only part of the county, rather than the county as a whole, which was what I assumed would be the case.
Thanks
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Re 1851 census coverage - it depends on whose product you buy. My set only covers piece numbers 1975-1981, which is also the case with some other sets I've looked at. Hopefully there is some product that covers the whole county?
Places in "Welsh" registration districts have 2xxx piece numbers eg. Kington 2492. If you need these pieces, make sure you read the fine print (else ask the vendor) before buying! And please let me know if you find a good set with full coverage - I have Kington interests too (BAYNHAM).
Border-crossing RDs are just an extra challenge researching Hereford - apart from my Herefordshire folk actually wandering off to Wales from time to time...
BTW you can check 1851 piece numbers at National Archives catalogue search:
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp
Enter the place name, with dates 1851-1851 and department code HO107.
Cheers
Steve
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Thanks Steve for the info (and the warnings), I understand now!
Is there anyone in particular in Kington from your Baynhams that is proving elusive? Whilst I'm looking at things I may stumble across something (stumble probably being the right word!) There seems such little activity on the Hereford board compared with others that's it's probably useful to keep our eyes peeled for other people's relatives as well as our own, particularly if they're from the same place.
Thanks
Francesca
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Hi Francesca,
I'm probably pretty right for my Kington BAYNHAMs - they have not been too hard to track down - I don't have them in 51 census, but I do in 41, 71, 81, 91, plus various hatchings matchings and dispatchings - though any extras never hurt of course...
They were plumbers, painters, glaziers, glass dealers, etc. in Bridge Street for much of the 1800's, so I have them in directories as well as census.
My g5-grandparents William BAYNHAM (b. Mansell Lacy) & Catherine GOODE (b. Yazor) moved to Pembridge in 1790s, then Kington in 1800s, with at least 2 of their 8 children (my branch stayed in the Yazor area - my biggest interest). The paint & glass business was continued by their son George, then later by his widow Susannah James LEWIS (a Kington girl).
William's sister Sarah is also my g5-grandmother (due to two 2nd cousins marrying in my ancestry) so I'm a BAYNHAM-BAYNHAM and naturally they are my favourite line.
My real mystery is William & Sarah's parents - Samuel BAYNHAM or BAINHAM, and Elizabeth WHO? - both buried at Mansell Lacy in 1773, but the backward trail currently ends with them. I must post my HEF trees on the general board when I get organised (if ever).
Cheers
Steve
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Hi Galante,
I have Caroline Bowen marrying John Bounds at Kington in 1860.Living at Brick Kilns, Kingswood 1891 census Hope this might help.
pandora
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Samuel Baynham married Elizabeth Eckley, both from Mansell Lacey at Hereford Cathedral in May 1750
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EBN,
Thank you so much for the ECKLEY name in this marriage! This is my biggest 18C brick wall, and now a chink of light shows...
I knew that Samuel & Elizabeth BAYNHAM were my g6 grandparents twice (I'm descended from both their daughter Sarah and their son William, via a later 2nd cousin marriage).
Now it gets more so, as William married Catherine GOODE, whose grandmother was one Joyce ECKLEY of Yazor... seems there was a small pool of yeomenry in this area!
Cheers
Steve Eckley-Eckley-Baynham-Baynam
PS I can only count to 20 on my fingers and toes, so no obvious problem with all this consanguinity...
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Did you know there is a small area in Kington called Baynham's Yard in Bridge Street. It has a blue nameplate and is a small courtyard of cottages.
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Thanks EBN,
I didn't know that, but am not surprised as the Baynhams were in business (glazing, painting, etc.) in Bridge Street in early 1800's.
The family was from Yazor & Mansell Lacy, but son George Baynham went to Kington early 1800s & married local Susannah James Lewis.
I have passed your info about Samuel Baynham & Elizabeth Eckley marriage to other family researchers, and let's say there's some excitement. Sam has been hard to trace, but it seems likely that he is the missing link of the Herefordshire Baynhams to those of Gloucestershire - sheriffs in the 1300s and with a tree back to the 1000s... naturally we're keen to link Sam to published pedigrees, which end in mid 1600s...
Cheers
Steve in Oz
PS Is what I have heard right, that Kington has the best old book stores in the UK? I'm planning a few months visit in 2007 (long service leave) and hope to spend much of it in HEF if I can find the right B&B for a long stay.
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Kington has a very active History Society with a huge database pf people and places in the area and across the Border into Wales. I am certain they will have a lot of extra bits of infomation about your Baynhams.
The book shop has many old books about Herefordshire, and there are also good book shops in Ledbury and Ross on Wye too with a range of local books.
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The place for bookshops is Hay on Wye. When I visited there I found that the house of my Grt grt Grandfather, Robert Baynham, at 6 Broad Street was now a bookshop. Robert was son of George Baynham who lived in Kington. Robert is buried in a grave in Salem Baptist Church, Castle Lane, Hay. Like his father he was a plumber.
There is a local studies in Kington Library, but I found that their computer database was incomplete. It is worth visiting Kington to see Hergest Ridge.
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Andy - What the Kington History Society do have and no one else does as far as I know is an index of all the local newspaper entries for named people. You can find out what they were up to when not on the census or being born, marrying and dying. A very interesting source ! These are I believe about be be microfilmed.
If you feel their database is incomplete then I suggest you join Hereford Family History Society and use their extensive county-wide databases.