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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: weejock on Saturday 05 April 08 16:01 BST (UK)
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I am in need of assistance with this marriage. I have hit a brick wall and don't know what else I can do.
They are in the OPR as 1801 St. Nicholas's Church. The parents of Barbara are listed but there is no reference to any details on William and this is the wall I have hit. I am trying to locate Williams line to the Dunn Family but I have been told it could also be Dun due to variants in spelling and errors being made on ocassion. The whole area of Aberdeen seems to be rife with Dun/Dunn(s) so this wall has me going in circles. I'm not quite sure if this is the BANS being posted in the brides church or the actual ceremony date.
Any assistance in pinning down Williams family would be great, I'msure there are enough Dunn's out there based on the site at http://www.dun.org.uk as it shows them to be well established for a substantial time period.
Thanks in advance,
WeeJock
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Hello Wee Jock,
Have the couple managed to survive until 1851? You might find them on the census and with luck have Williams POB.
Good luck,
Grothenwell
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No problem tracing them after the marriage, they moved down to Glasgow. The information that I need is going back to William's father. Barbara's parental information is listed but not a thing on William. Getting back from that point is the wall I have hit. If I can get his father's name ( with some certainty ) the OPR will, I hope, be sufficient enough to make a connection from that point back ( I think I have them in Lonmay if my guess is correct ) but what I need is someone to pinpoint William's Father and that's the info I can't find ( well at least not with some doubts ). Hopefully it's recorded somewhere in St. Nicholas' church other than the entry I found which seem to be the BANS.
Thanks for the contact though, nice to know someone read the post.
Weejock.
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Wee Jock,
The 1851 census should have his place of birth; that might make finding the old parish record of his birth and therefore his parents easier to find.
Grothenwell
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Gone scurrying upstairs to see whats on the entry I have. I can't remember what the cert was that I have right off the top of my head, I think it was a birth registry for their child.
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Okay, here's what I have on their Son Arthur. and it's all I had to go on to find them. Hence the brick wall after searching for a marriage between a William Dunn and Barbara Thomson based upon the marriage information of arthur shown below.
You may well be dead on with this suggestion as the time period between is a wee bit sketchy.
It's the marriage register entry. Shows as follows ... Burgh of Glasgow .
AND SURPRISE SURPRISE, looks like a 2nd marriage , have nothing on the 1st. which may well hold the secret. ( UPDATE : just found a marriage between a Martha Allan and Arthur Dunn 1839 Gorbals Glasgow. listed in the OPR ) Still can't confirm it as the correct Arthur though but probably a best guess at this time.
Marriage on June 8 1860
Arthur Dunn, Bookbinder WIDOWER age 42. Living at Renfield st. Glasgow Parents William and Barbara both deceased.
Marriage to :
Martha Wilson , Spinster age 30, living at Castle St. Glasgow.
Parents: John Wilson Deceased, Mothers name Janet Wilson, maiden name Dalglish.
I now go to the 1881 Census which shows Martha only living at 51 Castle St. age 50 but no sign of Arthur. ( deceased maybe )
I am missing the 1861 and 1851 census but in 1841 I have the following:
Arthur Dunn age 20 living at south pettigrew st. also listed is a Ann Dunn age 15, I wonder if she is maybe a cousin or could she be a sister. I can't find her using the OPR system.
Also in the 1841 is a Barbra Dunn Age 20 at 128 Saltmarket St. Glasgow.
What is the tie-in to this Barbra...Well William's wife in 1801 is also listed as a Barbra as opposed to Barbara and somewhere along the line my cousin thought there was a tie he had found between them.
If anyone can use this and get a link or some better info between the 1841 and 1860 marriage I'd be very greatful. That might be the way I have to go to find additional info on William's father that seems to be missing from the 1801 marriage to Barbara
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Hi Wee Jock,
Have you tried to see if you can find William and Barbara in the 1841 census on freecen? That might help you trace them on Scotlandspeople in the 1851 census. If they died between 1855 and 1860 you should find their death certs also on Scotlandspeople.
Good luck,
Grothenwell
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Never heard of Freecen..... Is it a common site if I use google or do you have a link you could supply to point me in the right direction.
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Just found the freecen thanks. Not much luck though, could be I'm just not using it properly. Still new at this whole thing.
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Hi Wee Jock,
There is a submitted entry on the IGI ( http://www.familysearch.org) for Arthur Dunn, which suggests he died in 1877, if that is the case his death cert should be available from Scotlands People.
There is also an Extracted entry there for Barbara Dun b 1820 Gorbals to William Dunn and Barbara Thomson , so she is his sister.
Looking at the IGI, Arthur and Martha Wilson had a few children in the 1860s, they might have used their grandparents names which could give you clues and help you narrow down possible parents for William.
Kirsty
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I can only see 1 christening record for them 19 yrs after the marriage which is strange
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Hello Wee Jock
Looks as though this one will remain a mystery?
2 children born to the couple - well according to the IGI. Looked at this yesterday and went away hoping others would find out more.
Barbara Dun b. 02 Oct 1820 ch. 08 Oct , Gorbals Lanark (extracted)
Arthur Dunn b. abt 1818 - Glasgow Lanark (married Martha Wilson abt.1855 D. 30 Oct 1877 (submitted).
Unless there is a will on SP, or a page from a family bible turns up, the brickwall has I fear been hit - although Kirsty G's suggestion is a possibilty and would help you narrow down options.....
Good luck. Steve :O)
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Thanks to all of you for the efforts and suggestions you have made. I really do have a number of questions on this marriage that will remain unanswered by the looks of it. ( even though I managed to get it down to Church of Ease for marriage ) I went to see if there was a chance of something being found in the IGI and went through all of Aberdeen ( all the counties listed ) for the time period covering 1801 and was amazed that when I searched under the marriages I could find " NOTHING " for either William Dunn or Barbara Thomson when using their surnames.
Either I am under a massive cloud of confusion or there's a skeleton in someone's cupboard whose really tying to put me off on this search. I'm not sure if I can even find a death notice for William that could set me off on an age to look for. Too bad they didn't have a telephone directory then. I could just look him up and give him a call and ask what the hell he's playing at. with all this mystery. ( must think he's James Bond or something.) ;)
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On Arthurs death record it gives his deceased fathers occupation as shoemaker.
I cant see any William/Barbara combinations of the right age on any census
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On the 1841 census there is a 20 yr old Barbara living with Helen Timson and Mary Donovan at Galt Street Glasgow in the Parish of St Marys
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On the 1841 census there is a 20 yr old Barbara living with Helen Timson and Mary Donovan at Galt Street Glasgow in the Parish of St Marys
Now that's a new one..... Hmmm! I have an entry in 1841 also showing Barbra age 20 living at Salt market St. Glasgow. Now what? ::) :-\
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On Arthurs death record it gives his deceased fathers occupation as shoemaker.
I cant see any William/Barbara combinations of the right age on any census
You are correct, after the marriage it's as if they fall off the face of the earth for 19 years, with nothing to say where they have been since the marriage. They suddenly show up in Glasgow with Arthur and Barbara 1818- 20 and then fall off again, talk about keeping a low profile....seems strange they had gone so long without children and then suddenly they have two in a short period of time. I'm begining to wonder if they may have had children earlier who have died and handling the loss may have been cause for moving to Glasgow to make a new start.
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Have you viewed the actual OPR christening record for Barbara to see if it gives any other info?
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Have you viewed the actual OPR christening record for Barbara to see if it gives any other info?
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The actual OPR record has her and her Father William with the surname spelling of " DUN " 8th Oct. 1820 and Her mother is listed also. It then makes reference to a frame # 705 and a batch # c119354
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Is that the actual image from SP
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Is that the actual image from SP
Not sure where it came from to be honest was sent to me by someone who quoted the entry. It may well have been taken from the site http://www.dun.org as it does list all entries for anyone of the name Dun, Dunn, Din. and it is the OPR entries they display.
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There may be more info if you view the actual image of the record on SP
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Just went to the site I mentioned in the last post and it confirms the info I supplied Taken from the OPR of Births. I will take a look at SP and see what comes up, but I don't think I have had much luck using their search system that I can remember.
As a side note for anyone who takes a look at the site http://www.dun.org The births are broken down into four sections. They are in alphabetical order of the fathers Given name.
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The record is there
08/10/1820 DUN BARBARA born to WILLIAM DUN and BARBARA THOMSON at Gorbals GLASGOW CITY/LANARK
I think you need to take out the 's' in the link
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Thanks, have gone back and corrected that in both previous messages. I'll try SP again but I never seem to have any luck with it.
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Hi wee jock cant believe I found this but I am stuck at the same thing your stuck on I am helping my mum trace her family tree, her mum was Jessie dunn and her parents were arthur dunn married to euphamia candlish. I was wondering if you got anywhere with William yet? We found barbra's mum and dad too but we are struggling with William. Looking forward to your reply. :)