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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Gert on Sunday 13 April 08 12:50 BST (UK)
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I`m trying to work out when my Fletchers came back to England.
On the 1900 census for Philadelphia, Pennsylvania i have,
Andrew Fletcher born 1870 Derby
Matilda Fletcher born 1871 Derby
Dorothy Fletcher born 1894 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
The next child i have a date of birth for this couple is,
Martha Evelyn Fletcher born Dec 1904 Derby
But (and theres always a but) theres 3 more children,
Francis
Paticia
Matilda
So where and when were they born, 10 years between the dates that i have for the 2 children seems a long time and have not been able to find the births in Derby.
Could some kind soul please look between 1900 and 1904 and see if they possibly crop up in the births for Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
I have contact with the decendants of both Dorothy and Martha and neither of them have any idea either.
Thank you for any help
Sylvia
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Philadelphia birth records aren't available online as far as I know.
How do you know that these 3 children existed? If they were born in Philadelphia could they have died before the family returned to England?
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1900 census says Matilda had 1 child and 1 child living which has to be Dorothy (born in Penna.) and that the Fletchers came to US 1893.
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Thank you for replying, the two people who have these children in thier trees did not Know about each other until last week and yet they have the same children in the trees. i have had contact with each of them seperatly for a few weeks.
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Oh they didn`t die as babies, we have a photo of them taken around 1910 to 1915
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Does sound like they existed then. Did they die in England? Death index should give age at death- think more recent indexes give birthdate?
Do you know mother Matilda's maiden name?
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Mothers name was Matilda Millicent Tantum and i`m guessing the girls could have married , so wouldn`t find deaths under Fletcher.
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Hi Sylvia,
They are tricky little ancestors aren't they ;D
Just don't seem to want to be found.
Thought I'd found something then realised there is another
couple Andrew and Matilda born in Derby in Penns....just to confuse us ::)
If you don't have details of when Andrew and Matilda arrived in US
I could post them if you like.
Raylen
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Thank you Raylen, yes i have those Andrew arrived in 1893 and Matilda followed in 1894.
If i read it right they are living in North 5th Ave in 1900.
Have just had an email saying Matilda (the daughter) could have been born March 1901 Pennsylvania, as Matilda Camilla Fletcher.
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Dear Gert:
I've just started genealogical research on Albert Edward Fletcher and ran into a roadblock researching this couple. I found this thread and joined the RootsChat to explore this thread.
My angle is this: Albert Edward Fletcher of Barrow-in-Furness is my great grandfather, of whom my father (also Albert Edward Fletcher) had minimal information, only knowing that he was from England. Just last week I found AEF's 1902 passenger listing, stating he is going to his brother Alexander's house in McKeesport, Pennsylvania at 2011 Sylvan Ave. He sailed from Liverpool on March 19 1902 (anniversary being two days from today!). AEF's parents were Alexander and Hannah (Lancaster) Fletcher. To keep this message short (plus I left my notes at home) I think this Andrew Fletcher and AEF are connected in some way.
Have you learned much more since this thread was active?
Hoping there is a connection, because sorting out Andrew and Matilda has been complicated to say the least! Same goes for Hannah.
Cheers,
Stephen
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Looking at original post, it is unlikely that Andrew bn 1870 and Martha bn 1904 have the same parents, at least not the same mother. 34 years is pushing it a bit even if she was young when Andrew was born.
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I think this is them
Incoming United Kingdom Passenger Lists for Dorothy Fletcher
born around 1896
was aged 7
Departed from Philadelphia in Pennsylvania, USA
Arrived on 17th Jul 1903 in Liverpool England
On the ship Belgenland
Official Ref 115353
Andrew J Mrs Fletcher and also a Tillie aged 3
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Looking into births
FLETCHER Francis Howard Derby
1908 Jul-Aug-Sep 7b/627
What dates do you have for Patricia?
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Wondered about
Matilda C Fletcher married James W Jones
Derby 1923 Jul-Aug-Sep
7B/1365
Dorothy L Fletcher married John T Travers
Derby 1918 Jul-Aug-Sep
7B/1234
Register Office Wedding
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Matilda on the above marriage is Matilda Clarissa, as much as I can find at the mo :)
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Hello Stephen,
Yes I did find more out about this family, Andrew and Matilda had 2 children in Philadelphia USA, Dorothy 1894 and Matilda 1901, they returned to Derby England in 1903, both Martha 1904 and Francis 1908 were born in Derby. The family then stayed in Derby where they died.
Andrew was my grandmothers brother and I have not found any connection to Lancashire.
Gert
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Looking at original post, it is unlikely that Andrew bn 1870 and Martha bn 1904 have the same parents, at least not the same mother. 34 years is pushing it a bit even if she was young when Andrew was born.
Andrew was the father of Martha.
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I think this is them
UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Dorothy Fletcher
Name: Dorothy Fletcher
Birth Date: abt 1896
Age: 7
Port of Departure: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Arrival Date: 17 Jul 1903
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Belgenland
Shipping line: American Line
Official Number: 115353
Andrew J., Mrs Fletcher and also Tillie age 3
That is them. Tillie was Matilda
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Looking into births
FLETCHER Francis Howard Derby
1908 Jul-Aug-Sep 7b/627
What dates do you have for Patricia?
I have no idea why but from what I know Martha used the name Patricia.
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Thanks, Gert. The Andrew Fletcher (and family) that I am pursuing is the one offered up by lissa from the 1900 US Census. At 24 Mathias Street, he would have lived just a few blocks away from Alexander Fletcher on Sylvan Avenue. My line runs:
me
AEF (b. 1938)
Leonard Fletcher / Anna Critchlow
AEF (b. 1883, Barrow-in-Furness)
Alexander Fletcher (b.1839 Whitehaven) / Hannah Lancaster (b.abt 1840, Distington)
John Fletcher (no data yet) / Mary Lancaster (b. 1813 Winscales)
I'm only a couple days into this, so I'm sure there's lots more to sift through. I'm sending a email to my parents and siblings on March 19th to let them all know about AEF's 19 March 1902 voyage. So far, I'm the only one in my immediate family that knows where he came from and when he arrived.
Stephen