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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: An65 on Friday 18 April 08 16:35 BST (UK)
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My Gt Gt Grandad Thomas Rhodes married a Jane Cunningham b.cir 1854 York married 1871 Hull.
Cant find her. Have found a travelling family tinmen/dealers/hawkers repeatedly married into the Swales Family which married into the Rhodes a generation earlier.
Looking for anyone with connections to Benjjamin Cunningham, Magdalena Cunningham married Thomas Swales and his sister Mary Swales married Richard Cunningham. Thomas and Mary Swales hailed from Kirkby Moorside Yorks, the children of James Swales and Esther Sowdon. Other children included Jeremiah who married Elizabeth Cunningham Wilson, and Hannibal who married Prudence.
Christiana Swales married Thomas Rhodes Snr.
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do you no if your swales family married into the ireland/hyland family from lancashire also the Hibbs Family? regards Selina
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If they did Im not aware of it, but they came from Kirkby Moorside, Yorkshire.
James Swales married an Esther Sowden, and had several children there.
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Have you seen the 1851 census entry at HO107/2349 Fol 31 p26? This family were all born in Yorks, but had moved to Lincs. The daughter Mary Ann m an Elliott in Sheffield, so could your Jane be one of this family?
The father William is a Dealer in pots
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hi my gt granmother was margret swales who married benjmin beswick she was from pickering she had many brothers and sisters i might be able to help you
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Have not found a Margaret Swales - have found a Magdalena though.
This family married into Cunninghams and Wilsons, and later the Rhodes.
They appear to come from Kirkby Moorside in Yks.
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Looking at my Notes:
James Swales b.1816 Kirkby Moorside married Mabel Busfield and had several children at Pickering Yks.
These included:
James b.cir 1823 Hutton Rugby?
Mary b.cir 1838 Kirkby Moorside m.John Bowman
James b.cir 1841 Pickering m.Elizabeth
John b.cir 1844 Pickering
Mark b.cir 1846 Pickering m.Elizabeth A Stephenson
Esther b.cir 1848 Pickering m.Richard G Batchelor
Jeremiah b.cir 1851 Pickering.
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hello ann my 3x grandparents are hanable and christiana swales their dau lavinia m. john swales had margaret who m. ben beswick. the cunnigham you mention above i think we have some ifo on will find out more then let you know. also more info on grays boilings etc contact you soon
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Hannibal Swales was part of my Swales family :)
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hiya .i came across a Hannibal Swales in my research, but i cant remember off the top of my head who he married. my ireland & Hibbs Family are also related to the Forrest Family and the Morrison"s and the Proctor"s . I also Think That The Swales Family Had A funfair in later years ???
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hi just to let you know some of the swales from pickering married in to the morrisons louisa swales m. jim morrison very early 1900 as they are my cousin grandparents, i will find out louisa swales mother & father i know their are buried at malton
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ann what part of you swales was hanable from his dob is 1810
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From the TOP
James Swales b.cir 1786 married Esther Sowden she was bapt 1794 Holm Apon Spalding Moor Yks, and they were married 1812 at Kirkby Moorside Yks. Their children were:
Thomas c.1812 K.Moorside married 1834 Magdalena Cunningham
Jane c.1814 K.Moorside died infancy
Jeremiah c.1814 K.Moorside m.1834 Elizabeth Cunningham Wilson
James c.1816 K.Moorside m.Mabel Busfield
Hannibal c.1819 K.Moorside m.Prudence Smith d/o William & Eliz.
Jane c.1821 K.Moorside no other info
Mary c.1822 K.Moorside m.Richard Cunningham
Robert c.1824 K.Moorside m. 1846 Ann Davey d/o Wm & Susan
Elizabeth c.1827 K.Moorside no other info
Frank c.1831 K.Moorside no other info
and finally
Christiana Swales c.1829 K.Moorside married Thomas Rhodes b.cir 1820 Tunstall Yks in 1846 at Hull.
Their son Thomas Rhodes b.cir 1846-50 Hull (dates vary) married Jane Cunningham b.cir 1854 York., in 1871 at Hull.
Their daughter Harriett b.cir 1873 Hull, married Ambrose Gray b.1873 Nth Hykeham, a horse dealer. They lived in Boston in a caravan in Frieston Road until about 1906, when they bought a house and settled in the town. When the horse trade died, Ambie turned to Scrap. They were my great grandparents.
Turning to the Cunninghams:
Richard Cunningham b.cir 1790 & Mary Miller b.1793 Cawood Yks d/o Joseph & Magdalen, were married in 1809 at Selby Yks.
Richards sister Grace married a John Wilson in 1814 at Thorne Yk.
Richard and Marys children included:
Richard Cunningham c.1812 Selby married Mary Swales (above)
and Meralina/Megalina/Magdalena Cunningham c.1810 Selby married Thomas Swales (above).
The Elizabeth Cunningham Wilson (above) who married Jeremiah Swales (above) was the daughter of Grace Cunningham and John Wilson (named above) b.1816 K.Moorside.
Hope that all makes sense the intermarriages are so convoluted!
Ann
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My great grandma is Mary Cunningham from York she married my great granddad Benjamin Moore, if ur from york and u know the travelling families then u will probably know my family, my grandad is called james moore but people call him Jim and my dad the same but call him Jimmy or J.B.
my great granny Mary Cunninghams brother I think is Benjamin Cunningham and her uncle is John Cunningham the VC (Victoria Cross) winner.
im currently trying to do my family tree so you could be of some help
i do know of the swales' through my dad and his cousins but have never met them but Im pretty sure that it will be the same Cunninghams because my great granny was originally from Hull along with the rest of the Cunninghams, my email adress is (*) so if you think I could help you get in touch boss.
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Hi,
I don’t know if this adds to the information, but one of my family,
Rose Cunningham married Francis Swales in 1850 in Scarborough. Francis Swales was born in Pickering in 1831. [He might be the Frank Swales that An65 mentions born 1831?]
Rose Cunningham was the daughter of John Cunningham and his wife Ellen. I think she was baptised at Richmond near Leyburn, Yorkshire in 1833.
The Cunningham family came down to England from Paisley Scotland.
I don’t know what happened to the family of Francis and Rose Swales after the 1851 census at Scarborough. Francis was listed as a Potter, which I think is a type of Hawker [?]
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Ill be back.......... Just trying to recover from yet another PC crash.
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Don't suppose anyone has come across a Thomas Swales born c1854 in Hampsthwaite, married Sarah Ann Davy 1877 in Knaresborough. His father was probably Alfred Swale born c1814 Hempsthwaite. The final s seems to have been optional in the family up to the 1880s or 90s.
Robert
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Hi I have both cunninghams and swales in my family.
Jane cunningham born 1851 parents john and Ellen cunningham married John docherty. A lot of the cunninghams born England married into Scottish travelers.
My ancestor Hannibal swales born 1811 Yorkshire married Christiana stephenson. Their daughter laviania swales (1837) married William pattison .Their son George Pattison (1860) married Isabella Farrow.
Hope this helps or someone recognises these names
Lillian
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Hi, I also have Cunninghams and Swales in my family,they traveled around Yorkshire and the north east,and some of them [my grandmothers family]ended up in Scotland and as you say married into travelers from Scotland,also the Forrests and Varey.The familys seemed to marry into the same familys over the generations, Ive came across a few pattisons,morrisons and Burnsides,but it is a nightmare trying to find them on census returns. magpie28
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To Kirky,
have just sent a pm
whpool
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Hi,
My grandmother was Mabel Swales born at Pickering, I believe her dad was William Swales and her mother possibly Margaret Adams from Middlesborough? I know my Swales family has strong links with kirby Moorside and Pickering. I believe I have grandparents born at Kirby Moorside. My grandmother Mabel married James Hall, they lived alot at Knaresborough, they had children Elizabeth Hall, Jane Hall, James Hall and William Hall. I know my grandmother had sisters, Violet who lived at Malton, Margaret who lived at York, can't remember other names. Sorry if I seem abit unsure it is my first time on this site. :)
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Hi
I have members of the 'Swales' family in my tree. Through Ann Davey b. 1828 - N.Cave.
Ann married Robert Swales b.1826 - Kirkbymoorside.
Does anyone know if the Ann came from a 'travelling family' ??
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Hi,
not sure if Robert is related. My grandmother Mabel swales was born at Pickering, I have recieved information her father was William Swales and her mother was Margaret Adams. William swales dad was James Swales and his mother Mabel Busfield. Margaret Adams Mother is John Adams and mother is Christiana (maiden name not known). My Swales family are from Pickering and Kirby Moorside and where ever else they moved to,
Regards Janice
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hi i see you are related to hannibal swales who married christiana stephenson. i am related to them 2 . i come down from their son richard born 1850.i dont suppose you have any idea where the family was in 1841. i have looked for days and days and had no luck in finding them.
many thanks
makayla
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Hi,
1851 census
Hannibal Swales age 41 hawker, Christiana wife, Lovinah age 14, living 8 flag Row?, Thornaby.
1661 census
Hannibal an earthenwear dealer, Christiana wife, Hannah daughter, Richard, Isabella and James (niece and nephew). All living at Walkers Build?, Guisborough.
1871 census
Hannibal, Christiana, age 72. Issac Morrison age 40 and Mary Morrison age 7 lodging with them. Living 71 Church Street.
1891 census
Hannibal and Christiana age 85, living 10 Old Chapel Road, Guisborough (Pedlar/Hawker John their grandson was living with them age 13.
Sorry have no info. regarding 1841 census for Hannibal, quite hard to find anything.
Regards Jan :D
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Hi,
1851 census
Hannibal Swales age 41 hawker, Christiana wife, Lovinah age 14, living 8 flag Row?, Thornaby.
1661 census
Hannibal an earthenwear dealer, Christiana wife, Hannah daughter, Richard, Isabella and James (niece and nephew). All living at Walkers Build?, Guisborough.
1871 census
Hannibal, Christiana, age 72. Issac Morrison age 40 and Mary Morrison age 7 lodging with them. Living 71 Church Street.
1891 census
Hannibal and Christiana age 85, living 10 Old Chapel Road, Guisborough (Pedlar/Hawker John their grandson was living with them age 13.
Sorry have no info. regarding 1841 census for Hannibal, quite hard to find anything.
Regards Jan :D
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Hi everyone,
Just googled for Swales family history and come across these posts. My great grandmother was Christiana Swales born in Pickering 1871 the daugher of Mark Swales and Elizabeth Stephenson. Mark's parents were James Swales and Mabel Busfield. Am currently doing this line in my Tree on Ancestry and trying to sort out the two James Swales born Kirkby Moorside 1816 and 1817. The Swales seem to have all been hawkers, potters or earthenware dealers and intermarried amongst themselves together with the Busfield, Adams and obviously a few other families. I find this
line absolutely intriguing and mind boggling when trying to put them all together.
Val ::)
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Hi,
I know what you mean about the families marrying into each other. My grandfather was William Swales from kirby Moorside who married Margaret Adams. Keep up the good work with your research, great to hear from you all,
Jan
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Hi, I have a Hannah Swales (b.1800 Kirkbymoorside Yorks) married to Isaac Morrison (b.1799 dalton lancs). Hannah's parents were Francis swales (b.1780 Durham) and Christina Stevenson.
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Hi, I also have a web of Forrests, Swailes, Morrisons, Cunninghams, Vareys, Millers marrying each other, around Northumberland, Yorkshire and Lancs area, all hawkers/earthenware/horse dealers/travellers. They include a Swailes Forrest (b.1771) brother of Hannibal, married to Christian Millar (1770) daughter of Jacob.
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My father was Joseph Cunningham born in Leeds 1926 died 2001. His parents were Joseph Cunningham born 1904 died 1951 and Violet Edeson born c1907 died 1962.
My paternal great grandparents were Joseph Cunningham born 1884 died 1914 and Nancy Maguire. Nancy's parents were John Maguire 1855 and Ann Watson 1861. John Maguire's parents were Bridget and Daniel 1821. Nancy's sister Janey 1881 married Joseph's brother William 1878. Joseph and William's parents were Richard Cunningham 1858 and Elizabeth Morrison 1861. Elizabeth's parents were Joseph Morrison 1803 and Marth born c1807. Richard was the son of William Cunningham 1824 and Martha Jackson 1834. William Cunningham was the son of Richard Cunningham c1790 and Mary Miller c1792. This Richard Cunningham was the brother of Grace Cunningham who married John Wilson c1795 and appears in my grandmother's tree also. Grace and Richard's father was John Cunningham c1770.
Violet's parents were Jeremiah Edeson born 1869 and Annie Stranack/Stronach born c1872. Jeremiah's parents were Charles Edeson and Mary Ann Swales. Charles was the son of John Edeson his mother was Hannah. Mary Ann was the daughter of Jeremiah Swales c1815 and Elizabeth Wilson c1817. Elizabeth Wilson was the daughter of John Wilson c1795 and Grace Cunningham c1793. Jeremiah Swales was the son of James Swales c1786 and Esther Sowden c1792. James' parents were Thomas Swales c1765 and Elizabeth Moon c1765. Esther Sowden's parents were Jeremiah Sowden c1765 and his wife Jane.
Can anyone add to this or offer any other information. Thanks
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Hi Tracey
I come down James Swales 1816 Kirkbymoorside line, he was the brother of Jeremiah 1814. If you go onto familysearch you will find the Swales back to the 1600s in batch P012131. You will also find the Swales in Crayke are connected to the Swales in Kilburn.
There are a number of Trees on A....try that have these families in them. If your not confused when you start you certainly will be when you finish. My mother told me this intermarrying carried on into the 1900s. Her grandmother was Christiana Swales born Pickering 1871. In the 1891 census she is described as a hawker.
Good luck with your research.
Val ::) ::)
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1901 Census Attercliffe *** Darnall Yorkshire * All in caravans*
: RG13; Piece: 4385; Folio: 147; Page: 21.
George Booth............49 b 1852 Ashover Derbyshire -pedlar/Hawker
Elizabeth.....................33 b1868 Lincolinshire
Henery.........................17 b 1884 Brightside yorkshire-Pedlar/Hawker
George.........................14 b 1887 Sheffield
Lavina...........................12 b 1889 Sheffield
Isabella........................ 9 b 1892 Sheffield
Samuel.........................7 b 1894 Sheffield
John...............................1 b 1900 Sheffield
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more families
Albert Stacey............26 b 1875 Sheffield -hawker
Charlotte..................21 b 1880 Sheffield
Eva...........................17 b 1884 Sheffield
Annie..........................2 b1899 Sheffield
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William Swales...........36 b 1865 Kirkmoorside yorkshire -hawker
Margaret....................35 b 1866 Earingwold Yorkshire
Elizabeth....................12 b1889 Pickering Yorkshire
Mable..........................10 b 1891 Pickering
Margaret ..............3wks b 1901 Attercliffe
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William Graham...........62 b 1839 Spilly moore Cumberland -Steam Cran Driver
Mary............................64 b1837 Leeds Yorkshire
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William Graham...........31 b 1870 Leeds.........Wood joiner* Carpenter*
Kate.............................26 b 1875 Sheffield
Barbara........................7 b 1894 Sheffield
Albert...........................2 b Sheffield
can anyone help here? I am trying to figure out the link to the families above
I put it here because of Swales link
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Hi everyone,
My ggggrandparents were Alexander Stephenson 1821 Rievaulx yorkshire and Mary Stewart 1825 Gateshead Durham. Mary Stewart's parents were Hugh Stewart and Mary Patterson born 1801 Gateshead, Mary Patterson's parents were Thomas Patterson b. 1769 Gateshead and Isabella Cunningham. Have hit a brick wall with Isabella Cunningham and can't find a marriage for her either on IGI.
Thought maybe someone who is researching these families may be able to help.
Thanks Val
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My mother is a swales and my father is a Cunningham
My Fathers ggggrandad James born18.10 came from paisley Scotland he married Mary ? who's son John born Scarborough 1836 married Margaret Emma Wilkinson born Middlesbrough 1842, who also had a son called john born 1861 who went on to have 21 children to his wife Elizabeth Ann Whelan born 1865.
I have posted a picture of Richard Swales with his wife Elisabeth who also was born a swales and their children, Richard was the son of Hannibal Swales and Christiana Stephenson.
My ggrandather is Zachariah sat on the left with a flat cap, He married Frances Calvert who went on to have around 11 children.
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Hi EML,
That's very interesting. Have had a look at all you put and think we have a connection. Christiana Stephenson born abt 1809, baptised Pickering 1812. Think she is the sister of Alexander Stephenson born 1822 Reivaulx. He doesn't come up on IGI for his birth, but I have his marriage certificate and father is Edward.
Was wondering if you have access to 1891 census. If so, you will see your Richard and Elizabeth and their children in Guisborough. Also you will see a lot of other Swales and Stephensons. You will note James Harker and his wife Christiana (nee Swales born 1871 Pickering) They are my great grandparents. Think your great grandfather Zachariah, could be my mother's uncle Zac.
Would be interested in your thoughts on this.
Val
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Hi Val my name is Tina, my Aunty researced the swales family tree, i think she got back to about 1700s, were the last swales on christening records were classed as strangers to the parish.
I'm going to have a look at all the old paper work we have got, she done all her research by foot,about 14 years ago.
I've read your other post, and yes it gets very confusing ha ha.
Also my ggrandad Zach was killed crushed to death when he was about 49 at british steel very sad.
I will be in touch.
ps i'm new at this its changed my name from EML to ELLEMAI?
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Hi Tina,
Will wait to hear from you. If your grandfather Zachariah was killed when he was only 49, would not be remembered by my mother, but I would assume he had a son Zac and he could be the uncle Zac my mum remembers.
Val
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Hi
Am looking for any info on James Swales born about 1857 and his wife Lillie born about 1859.They are on the 1910 American census where it say they were married for 32 years.I think James is part of a family of Swales who emigrated to America in 1895.Father Thomas Swales and mother Grace Swales nee Todd
Can anyone help me with the marriage of James to Lillie or give me any info about the family
Thanks
Diane
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Hello Diane,
I have been researching my Swales family,if you google Romany jib,Sandy Buckland has put a lot of info on it, as I was interested in the family especially Grace Swales who I think was James sister.Just type Swales in the search box on the site and the information should come up,
Regards Margaret
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Margaret
Thanks for that.I came across the travellers through a search for Ireland family and got fascinated with the marriages etc with Varey,Swales,Forrest ,Knight etc so I'm trying to make up the tree.
I'll check out the site.
Diane
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Margaret
Tried Romany jib,just keep getting site not found.Is there a problem with it?
Diane
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Try all one word,it is working,
Margaret
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OK thanks
Diane
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Margaret
Still no luck.Keep getting HTTP//404
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Hi Diane, try Romany genes and see if there is a link to it,
Margaret
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Hi all looking for swales and cunninghams. I am Cunningham . Mary Ann Swales B 1845 married Charles Edeson. They had sons Frank and Jeremiah B1862/9. Jeremiah married anne stonach/Stranack . They had daughter Violet b 1902/08 who married Joseph Cunningham. Violet and Joseph are my great grand parents on my fathers side. Also have Swales marrying into cunningham side of tree. There are diffrent spellings for Edeson/Edison/Heetson these are some i have come accross. I am looking for info on Cunningham and Edeson side. It is clear from my tree they travelled with many familys including cunninghams. Morrisons/Halls/Burnside/Francis/MaguireWilson.
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Hi
Have been checking the Grace Swales/Varey story and need some help.I have it as Grace Swales born 1876 daughter of Thomas Swales and Grace Todd married 1855 Durham.
Grace Swales married James Varey 1893 Ashton under Lyne
James Swales[Grace brother]born 1857 married Annie Fountain 1875 Wakefield.
Yet on the 1910 America New York census there is
James Swales 53
Lillie 51
James Swales 31
Annie 29
Does anyone have the marriage of James Swales to Lillie?
Diane
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RICHARD SWALES SON OF HANNIBAL SWALES AND CHRISTIANA STEPHENSON, WITH HIS WIFE ELIZABETH AND CHILDREN, FRANK, CHRISTIANA, JOHN (JACK), HANNIBAL, JAMES, MARGARET, ZACHARIAH, RICHARD, MARY ANNE, ISABELL, THEIR OLDEST DAUGHTER LAVINA DIED AT 13.
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RICHARD SWALES SON OF HANNIBAL SWALES AND CHRISTIANA STEPHENSON, WITH HIS WIFE ELIZABETH WHO ALSO WAS A SWALES BEFORE MARRAIGE, AND THEIR CHILDREN, FRANK, CHRISTIANA, JOHN (JACK), HANNIBAL, JAMES, MARGARET, ZACHARIAH, RICHARD, MARY ANNE, ISABELL, THEIR OLDEST DAUGHTER LAVINA DIED AT 13.
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hello my isaac morrison was fathers great great grandad, and what info have you on the ross family my great grandfather was alex ross
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Hi Paula - which Alex Ross are you looking for? The one from Bishop Auckland?
Maureen
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Hi Paula
Sorry I'm a newbie to this site, I hope I've posted this right. I see that you mentioned an Isaac Morrison, I have him in my tree married to Hannah Swales, their daughter Christiana Morrison married a Cunningham. Is it the same Isaac Morrison.
Cathy
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Hi Paula
Thanks for your message but i cant reply back to you as I'm a newbie. So just saying thanks for getting back to me regarding Isaac Morrison.
Cathy
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Hi everyone,
Have been researching my Stephensons and Swales and wondered if anybody here has access to the Pocklington parish records and the marriage of Francis Swales and Christiana Stephenson 25th August 1800.
There are a lot of Trees on Ancestry that have Christiana Stephenson being born at Boynton 1781. Have been going over this for some time and found Christiana Stephenson married Samuel Holtby at Boynton in 1804. Have the birth of a son John Holtby or Houltby at Rillington in 1807 son of Samuel and Christa. So I think good possibility they have the wrong Christiana in their Trees. Who she was I don't know.
Also, which Francis Swales did she marry, the one born in Aycliffe Durham in 1783 or the one born in Stillington in 1781. I am leaning to the one born in Aycliff.
Any thoughts or info on this please.
Val ??? ???
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Hi,
Have now found out Christiana Stephenson was the daughter of Alexander Stephenson. She married Francis Swales from Aycliffe Durham. The baptism in Kirkby Moorside of their first daughter Hannah reads:
Father Francis Swales of Oakley near Darlington an itinerant Potter, son of Hannibal
Mother Christiana daughter of Alexander Stephenson of Blackwell
Born Jan 24 1801
Baptised Jan 26 1801
Is anybody else researching the Stephensons? Will have to have a look at the parish record for Kirkby Moorside to see if it says which Francis Swales was the father of children born there.
The Stephensons were also a travelling family and married into the Swales.
Val
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hi i have cunninghams in my family from cumberland and around yorkshire they were hawkers or hawkers of earthenware or potters my research has led me from hamilton cunningham his father was a henry cunningham and mother ann cunningham if any of this ties in can someone help with any other information thanks
phillip
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Hi phillip i am a cunningham.I have researching my family tree and believe henry may be one of my relatives i have not found yet. My familt travelled in same areas you metion.I believe some may have travelled to scotland.What info do you have on Henry cunningham and his wofe ann.Also i have info on Hall family who maried into cunninghams for Jan 58.
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Hello all,
This is my very first post which I am quite excited about. It was because I found this page on google that has prompted me to become a member of RootsChat!
You see, I am related to the Swales Family; Hannibal Swales (1814-1894) and Christiana Stephenson (1812-1894) are ancestors of mine, and I descend through their daughter Hannah Swales, who was born in 1844 in Stockton-on-Tees. I notice that EML has posted a picture on here of Richard Swales and his family, Richard being the younger brother of my ancestor Hannah. I have just been looking into Richard's family and found allof the children mentioned and some of their marriages which I can share if you are interested.
Also, thank you for the wonderful info on the baptism of
I see here a lot of similarities with my own research; for example, I can't find my ancestor's Hannibal and Christiana in the 1841 census, although Christiana's family are POSSIBLY living in tents just outside on Danby Village in North Yorkshire. I also have suspected that Alexander Stephenson who married Mary Stewart was also a brother of Christiana Stephenson (1812-1894). I have also tried to sort out the two James Swales, born between 1816-1817 in Kirby Moorside who caused me a lot of confusion!
Also Val, thank you for the 1801 baptism of Hannah Swales, born in 1801 in Kirby Moorside, which names not only both of her parents, but also her grandfathers and their localities! Wow, that is much appreciated as although I suspected that Francis Swales was the son of Hannibal Swales, I had no idea who Christiana's father was!
If anyone would like to discuss further please get in touch!
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Hi OriginQuest,
I have been trying to put the Stephenson family together for some time. Alexander Stephenson born 1821 was my gt x 3 grandfather. That is him with his brothers and sister Jane Swales nee Stephenson in 1841 living in tents at Danby. I have a Tree on Anc...y with all this in. Alexander was the son of Edward Stephenson, son of Alexander & Elizabeth Burnsides.
Alexander Stephenson & Elizabeth Burnsides had a daughter Elizabeth in 1784 baptised Easingwold. Parish record states that Alexander was the son of Alexander Stephenson, wine cooper of London. Elizabeth Burnsides was the daughter of Ambrose Burnsides, Potter of Blackwell Durham.
I come down the Swales line from Kirby Moorside, James born 1816 and have now found I am connected to the Swales in Durham through Christiana Stephenson.
You will find this line of travelling people absolutely fascinating.
Val
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Hi Val,
Wow this is getting a little confusing! Yes this family are indeed fascinating, and you seem to have moved much further into the past than what I have! Congratulations on that!
So, for clarity, are we saying that my gt x greatgradmother Christiana Stephenson (1812-1894) and your 3 x great grandfather Alexander Stephenson (1821-1898) were brother and sister? Now, I made the connection of them possibly being siblings from the 1841 census; although I couldn't find Christiana, I suspected she had an older brother named Zachariah which tied in with a baptism I found when I did a generic search for children of Edward and Mary Stephenson. This was at Yarm.
With this, my ancestor Christiana definitely had a brother named Edward, and Christiana's son-on-law, my 4 x great grandfather, was the informant for the death. I can forward you this death certificate if you like!
I had thought that Jane Swales in the 1841 was Jane Stephenson, but her marriage certificate didn't record a father so I discounted her! Do you have this certificate? Saying this, the marriage did show that James Swales, who this Jane Stephenson married, was the son of Francis Swales, potter, who was my 6 x greatgrandfather and father of Hannibal Swales (1814-1894).
Is this making sense?
So I see how you are connected to the Stephensons, but how are you related to the Swales? Sorry if I have missed that!
Peter
I too had thougth that Jane Ste
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I'm new to Rootschat and have found it fascinating reading all the posts and seeing where I fit in! I am a Swales descended from Hannibal and Hannah Hall via Francis 1783, James 1817, John 1854, Henry 1879 etc. I have many many questions but to start off I'd like to ask the following:
I am also connected to the Meldrum family and have recently discovered a story about the Swales and the Meldrums being connected through a marriage with the Vareys. Being on here I see that the Vareys are potentially another inter-marrying family with the Swales. I have Jane Varey m Edward Meldrum 1931 - Jane Varey may have actually been a Swales but her m cert says her father is James Varey. Jane had a sister called Grace and I found a Grace Swales b 1896 whose parents were James Swales and Margaret (formerly Varey). Does anyone know anything about Swales and Varey or a story about Varey children being born in the workhouse and 'taken in' by Swales - any help greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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Hi Peter,
Sorry to confuse you, it gets like that with the same names over and over. Have to go out, so quickly, Alexander, my gtx3 grandfather, is the son of Edward Stephenson, Christiana's brother. Have never been able to find Edward in a cencus and assumed he was dead by 1841. Will send you a personal message later today. I am in Australia.
Val
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RICHARD SWALES SON OF HANNIBAL SWALES AND CHRISTIANA STEPHENSON, WITH HIS WIFE ELIZABETH WHO ALSO WAS A SWALES BEFORE MARRAIGE, AND THEIR CHILDREN, FRANK, CHRISTIANA, JOHN (JACK), HANNIBAL, JAMES, MARGARET, ZACHARIAH, RICHARD, MARY ANNE, ISABELL, THEIR OLDEST DAUGHTER LAVINA DIED AT 13.
Hi everyone,
Have been researching my Stephensons and Swales and wondered if anybody here has access to the Pocklington parish records and the marriage of Francis Swales and Christiana Stephenson 25th August 1800.
There are a lot of Trees on Ancestry that have Christiana Stephenson being born at Boynton 1781. Have been going over this for some time and found Christiana Stephenson married Samuel Holtby at Boynton in 1804. Have the birth of a son John Holtby or Houltby at Rillington in 1807 son of Samuel and Christa. So I think good possibility they have the wrong Christiana in their Trees. Who she was I don't know.
Also, which Francis Swales did she marry, the one born in Aycliffe Durham in 1783 or the one born in Stillington in 1781. I am leaning to the one born in Aycliff.
Any thoughts or info on this please.
Val ??? ???
Hi Val,
the Francis Swales, who married Christiana Stephenson was the one born in Aycliffe Durham in 1783. he is a 4x Grandfather of my husband.
Regards
Enid Goodman
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Hi I have both cunninghams and swales in my family.
Jane cunningham born 1851 parents john and Ellen cunningham married John docherty. A lot of the cunninghams born England married into Scottish travelers.
My ancestor Hannibal swales born 1811 Yorkshire married Christiana stephenson. Their daughter laviania swales (1837) married William pattison .Their son George Pattison (1860) married Isabella Farrow.
Hope this helps or someone recognises these names
Lillian
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My Ancestor was also Hannibal Swales 1811, who married Christiana Stephenson, another of their daughters Hannah Swales is my link, she married James Pattison, their son Hannibal 1880, married Margaret Lamb, and they had Wilfred Pattison 1908, who was my dad.
Regards
Enid Goodman (nee Pattison)
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Hi Enid,
Thanks for your reply. I did finally work out that Christiana Stephenson married Francis Swales from Durham and those Trees on Anc..y are incorrect.
Was delighted to find out that Christiana was the daughter of Alexander and therefore one of my Stephensons. So now I come down the line of the Swales from Kirkby Moorside which goes back to Crayke and am connected to the Swales from Durham through my Stephensons.
Val ;D ;D
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Hi Val it looks like we all come off the same swales, my gg grandad richard we call him (coxhoe Dick) as he was born in coxhoe, his wife Elizabeth was also a swales, her father i'm sure he was called francis, and her mother was a stephenson, i think christaiana or elizabeth, not sure though,i had all the information with me before i found this Rootschat, i am going to get it back from my distant cousin, who has a great grandad Frank and great nana Christiana on that photo i posted, they are brother and sister they went on to have g grandchildren who married, very confusing i know,we didn't relise we were related till her and my auntie Marj started doing the tree.
I did tell you this before i'm sure we go back to about 1735 to Adam Ross, who had a dauhter Mary who married a john or james. will be intouch.
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Hi Ellemai,
Sorry for the late reply.Great to hear from you. In the photo you posted here. Am I right - Richard Swales was the son of Hannibal Swales and Christiana Stephenson?? If so, then Richard was the cousin of my gggrandmother Elizabeth Stephenson, daughter of Alexander Stephenson and Mary Stewart. Are you able to say who was who in that photo??
Val :) Sorry, just had another look at the photo and see you have put names to the family. :-[ :-[
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Hi everyone,
Does anybody on this board have access to the parish records for Kirkby Moorside. Am looking to a death of Christiana Swales 1835. Who was she, wife of etc. maybe even a child??
Val
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Hi everyone. Am new to roots chat but know a couple of names that are regulars so thought I would join too. Have done lots of research on the swales and stephenson family from aycliffe and yarm but no one seems to have found any info about christiana stephenson daughter of alexander stephenson from yarm. she married francis swales in pocklington in 1800 [have copy of entry]so she does exist. She also had hannah swales 1801 daughter of francis swales and christiana stephenson[ have copy of that also].
This lady is very illusive and i am wondering if any documents are available for her anywhere.
any info is gratefully recieved and if i find out anything i will let you know also.
Nice to chat
scoobydo62
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Hi Scoobydo62
I have also searched endlessly trying to find a baptism for Christiana. She is the sister of my great x 4 grandfather Edward Stephenson son of Alexander Stephenson and Elizabeth Burnsides, bn December 1782. If you set out the baptisms of the other children you don't find an entry until 1786 which would make her only 14 or 15 when she married. Not impossible but not probable even for back then. I have however found a baptism for Christian Stevenson in Whitby in 1777, daughter of Alexander Stevenson and Elizabeth. Alexander is described as a musician. Well who knows. What also interested me about this entry was that Alexander is not mentioned anywhere else in the Whitby records. I strongly feel that this could be her baptism and that even Elizabeth Burnsides was not her mother. or for some reason Alexander and Elizabeth did not marry until 1782 when she would have been 21.
Would appreciate any input on this also.
Val
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Hi all,
I am Cunningham. I come down from Richard Cunningham abt1790 who married who married Mary Miller. ( There First Son Also Richard was Married in Cawood Selby) I have Richard as Son of John Cunningham abt 1760s and Mary Coulthard Daughter of John.I know Richard had sister Grace abt1793 but am looking for other siblings.
I am also looking for Siblings of John Cunningham abt 1760s. There is tree on ansestory site says he had brother James abt1780 who married Mabel Busfield.It says they had Daughter Elizebeth abt 1802 who married William Burnside.
I have lots of Swales in my tree.
Mary Anne Swales Grandaughter of Grace Cunningahm 1793 ( Richards Sister ) and John Wilson 1792 married Chales Edeson who is also from my direct line on my Grt Gran Violet Edeson side. Violet married Joseph Cunningahm 1923.
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HI ANY ONE LOOKING TO LINK SWALES MORRISON BURNSIDE.IT MAY HELP TO GO THROUGH MY GRANNY ISOBELLA MORRISON. 1911 CENSUS HOUSE ON WHITBY RAOD ,LOFTUS. LEVI BURNSIDE A COUSIN IS LISTED THERE .TO CONFUSE THE ISSUE MY NAME IS TERRY SNOW.
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:D hi i have a sarah jane cunningham married to joseph varey her father was an andrew cunningham married to an elizabeth
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Hi all.I am also looking for cunninghams.
i am looking for marraige of John Cunningham B abt 1766 to Hannah Varey. Would be gratefull for any info.
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Does anyone have information about Swales who were fairground people in North Yorkshire. My grandfather, whose mother was a Swales, said his family had been travellers and fairground people.
Thanks Val
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Hi
there is a tree on ancestry that has baptism details for Christian Stephenson as Boynton, Yorkshire, 26 Dec 1781.
Regards
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Christiana Stephenson bn Boynton 1781 was daughter of John Stephenson. Not quite sure why this quote is here.
Val
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"Origins",
I put the reference to a family tree on ancestry in reply to two of the other posts, including yours, re the difficulty in finding a baptism record for Christiana Stephenson. Sorry that this wasn't in fact helpful.
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Hi Ann48
That's okay. A few people have that particular Christiana Stephenson as the one who married Francis Swales, but the Christiana who married Francis was the daughter of Alexander and her baptism still remains a mystery.
Val
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Hi everyone,
Have put this as a seperate post, but then realised I should have put it here ::) ::)
I am looking for baptism of Christiana Swales who married John Stephenson at Thirsk in 1880. She consistently says she was bn in Whitby, would be between 1862 and 1868, varies from census to census. Can't find this on IGI, maybe one of you have her details. They were travellers of course, children bn different places.
Thanks Val
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Hello Everyone,
I have been researching my family tree now for about 2 years and have come across this site. I was delighted to see some mention of the very famous Swales family. The Famous Richard Swales (born abt 1850 Stockton) and Elizabeth Swales born abt 1852 Stokesley) were my Great-Great Grandparent. Iam a decendent of their youngest daughter Isabella Swales (born 1896 Guisborough).
It has been very interesting reading how other seem to have been as confused as I have been with the Swales Family! I have also been very confused with Richards and Elizabeth. I have Richards father as Hannibal Swales (born 1814 Aycliffe (often refered to as Yackley by local people) and Elizabeth's father as John swales (born abt 1806 in Malton) the question is were Hannibal and John Brothers?? making Richard and Elizabeth Cousins??
After researching about cousins marrying cousins in thoses days it appears to be very popular and still happens to be legal in the UK. i Know some of Richard and Elizabeth's decendents did marry each other, so i do keep coming back to the same idea.
If anyone has any information or suggestions about Richard and Elizbeth be cousins it would solve a very big mystery that i have been trying to solve and i would be very grateful.
Was interesting also to see the picture of elizabeth and richard and there children posted on here, it apprears to have become a very famous photograph amoungst our family.
It is the first time i have ever posted anything on a chat room hope i have done it right.
Be lovely to hear from anyone who can help
thanks lea
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Hi Lea and welcome ro RootsChat. I am sure you will find many things of interest on this thread.
Elizabeth Swales bn 1852 Stokesley was the daughter of John Swales bn Stokesley 1832 amd Lavinia Stephenson bn 1804 York. John was the son of John Swales 1806 Malton and Lavinia Bousfield. Lavinia Stephenson was the daughter of Zachariah Stephenson bn 1804 Yarm and Christiana Wilson bn 1806 Yarm.
So Elizabeth and Richard were cousins, but not first cousins as we know it. Not sure how you work that, maybe once removed??? Maybe someone else can answer that.
However, Zachariah Stephenson (1806) was the brother of Christiana Stephenson 1812 Pickering married to Hannibal Swales!!!! So in that sense they were first cousins.
Hope you can follow this, am trying to get it straight in my head.
Sorry - Lavinia Stephenson was infact Richard Swales first cousin!!
Val
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Looked fine to me Lea and welcome to the boards :)
Intermarriage - was extremely common and acceptable amongst the gypsy community of the day - to them it was keeping their bloodlines pure and that was important to them. So I hope that answers that question. Its very evident from this thread that the Cunninghams Swales Vareys Wilsons Forrests Arnolds and Busfields intermarried frequently.
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Hello Val and An65,
Thank you very much for your kind replies. Esp Val who has solved a massive mystery, seems i have missed out a whole generation. I had Elizabeth Swales's (1852 stokesley) Grandfather down as her father! I did seem to have lots of swales family that i couldn't place and now have been able to put them all in the right places.
However this family tree is mind bloggling to say the least! The Swales Family are such a big family, i know my grandma had 52 cousins that she knew about! I seem to be stuck where some others are stuck and that is finding the the baptism of Christiana Stephenson about around the 1780 period and who her ancestors where.
Val, you did mention zachariah stephenson(1806) and christiana stephenson (1812) where brother and sister which i had but was alittle confused at how christiana and hannibal were first cousins?
I hope i can help someone else in return as this site has been so helpful.
thanks again
kind regards lea
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Hi Lea,
You get lots of help on this site, it's great I am glad to have been of help. I don't want to confuse you any more than I am confused with these families. I have just realised that in fact Richard Swales was the first cousin of Lavinia Stephenson, the mother of Elizabeth Swales. :-[ :-[ Sorry for misleading you. They were cousins though. Afraid confusion reigns sometimes and just have to move onto something else to clear the head!!!!!
Christiana Stephenson's baptism c1780 has never been confirmed, a big mystery. However it is known she was the daughter of Alexander Stephenson a potter of Blackwell Durham. This is in the parish records for the birth of Hannah Swales her daughter, and Alexander was the son of Alexander Stephenson of London, Wine Cooper.
I have a Tree on Ancestry with all this on it and some other people on this site also have Trees there from which you can find lots of information.
My great grandmother was Christiana Swales bn Pickering 1871 and my mother told me that the Swales and Stephensons were all marrying cousins, but I had no idea how extensive that was until I started my Tree.
Regards Val
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Dear Val
Thank you again for your kind reply. Thanks for clearing up the cousin thing, it has provided me with something to think about! Iam a member of ancestry however my tree is on my computer rather than on the site itself. i will look out for your tree.
I know what you mean about the confusion feel i have been confused now for two years haha! I do find that Moving back and forth to my grandfathers tree does help as he had a small and uncomplicated family in comparison! It definately clears the head.
My grandmother did also talk of 'kissing cousins' and I also didn't realise to the extent it was.
Thanks again
kind regards
lea
ps this may not be the last you hear from a very confused member of a confusing swales family :) hope i can help in return somehow.
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Hi
Was just wondering if anybody has info on the swales, smith, and wharton who lived in the falsgrave scarborough area on north street and bakehouse hill. I would like to confirm if they were gypsies or not. The signs seem to be there but i would like another opinion.
The family line is as followed
william smith born in durham 1793 married elizabeth rowbottom. Daughter, sarah smith born 1818 falsgrave married william wharton 1809 scarborough they have daughter mary wharton 1837 falsgrave who is my 3x grandmother .
William smith other daughter was prudence smith who married a hannibal swales in scarborough. The swales were earthenware dealers. the wharton ag labours and william smith from durham was a potman in 1841.
Would be great if anyone could clear this up for me.
regards
Johnny
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Hi Johnnyrey,
Would be interested if anyone has the answer to your question. Thomas Smith bn 1818 Falsgrave married Mary Morrison 1828 Kirkbymoorside, their daughter Mary married John Adams 1856 Easingwold. My gggrandmother was an Adams and I am told by a lady who comes down the Adams line that she is gypsy and that all the Adams were gypsy.
Also Hannibal Swales was the brother of my ggggrandfather James Swales bn Kirkbymoorside. Were they gypsy or travellers??
Val ???
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Hi val, thanks for the repley.
I have just found the records of thomas smith born 1818 in falsgrave on ancestry who is the son to william smith from durham who i mentioned before and brother to prudence.
Thomas was an earthenware hawker aswell.It all seems to add up. Was it normal for these family to integrate. there seems to be alot of info on the extended people in this family line but not on the smiths and whartons who married into them.
sorry for my ignorance but whats the diffrence between gypsies and travellers. I hope they were gypsies or travellers im strating to like the idea of having gypsie ancestry almost proud in a way.
johnny
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Hi Johny,
I don't know much about the true romany gypsies, other people on this board do, maybe someone will answer that for you. Certainly the Swales were a large travelling family. They travelled from villages and markets selling their wares, earthenware, tin items, baskets, mats, glass ware, anything that people used I think. Also understand cattle and horse dealing. I think somewhere on this board is mentioned about the Smiths,not sure whether your Smiths or not.
All the travelling families intermarried, marrying cousins through generations. It's a huge puzzle to sort through. Absolutely mind boggling. Everyone is related in somewayto someone else.
Regards Val
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There are many different Smith gypsy lines, and the Whartons are also a gypsy family, so I hope that answers that question.
Re: Cousins - its a wonder we dont all have 12 fingers and six eyes, its true we intermarried loads. No one had a clue that it might cause problems genetically until comparatively recently, so to our olds, it was simply keeping their bloodlines pure.
Finally what is the difference between Gypsies and Travellers. Depends on your definition of Travellers.
Today (officially like) Travellers means Irish Travellers which is to say, travelling folks of Irish descent who have travelled Ireland for yonks and yonks.
Abt 20 years ago it meant New Age Travellers who were basically a bunch of hippies travelling abt in converted and often colourfully painted Buses and vans.
Gypsy- to the gypsies - means "a person of Romany heritage ie Anglo-Romani person (or English Romany) traveller. The name was given to the Romanies who entered England at any time during or after Henry VIII reign as it was thought they were Egyptians - and Gyptian became Gypsy, over time. However to everyone else Gypsy meant any wandering tramp/traveller/worker whether of true Romany Heritage or not.
Roma - Legally this term is used for the recent influx of European Romany people. However, Roma is also the general European word for Gypsies including England, which confuses the issue even more
Hedge Mumper - the Gypsies term for what you and I would call - non gypsy travellers or tramps
Just to complicate things a bit, there are cases where Irish Traveller marries Romany Gypsy (Anglo Romanichal) and cases where Settled Gypsy people have found themselves unable to stick life in a house and gone back on the road as New Age Travellers (or simply - Travellers).
There came a point where "gypsy" became a term with negative connotations so much that even Romany Gypsies simply called themselves Travellers as they thought it was easier that way. Now the reverse is true.
Hope that answers your question
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Hi,
not sure if Robert is related. My grandmother Mabel swales was born at Pickering, I have recieved information her father was William Swales and her mother was Margaret Adams. William swales dad was James Swales and his mother Mabel Busfield. Margaret Adams Mother is John Adams and mother is Christiana (maiden name not known). My Swales family are from Pickering and Kirby Moorside and where ever else they moved to,
Regards Janice
Hi Jan is your Margaret Adams born 1868, if so she is my great great grandfathers sister :)
gosh this is all amazing. i have Swales enter my Adams family on nearly every generation, i also have an ancestor marrying a Cunningham,
so if anyone on here has adams, preferably a descendent of Robert Adams born approx 1858 (give or take a couple of years) Easingwold, please get in touch :) I would love to see photos if anyone has any, i only have my great grandmother and one of her sister, so it would be nice.
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Hi Johnnyrey,
Would be interested if anyone has the answer to your question. Thomas Smith bn 1818 Falsgrave married Mary Morrison 1828 Kirkbymoorside, their daughter Mary married John Adams 1856 Easingwold. My gggrandmother was an Adams and I am told by a lady who comes down the Adams line that she is gypsy and that all the Adams were gypsy.
Also Hannibal Swales was the brother of my ggggrandfather James Swales bn Kirkbymoorside. Were they gypsy or travellers??
Val ???
Well, John Adams 1856 Easingwold is my great great grandfathers brother. All my adams were "Travellers" i was always told they were travellers, never gypsy.
What is your gggandmothers name? and who was her father?
I cannot get to the bottom of this gypsy/traveller meanings business, i dont believe that travellers were just the irish. my Adams, Wortley, and Fergusons were all "Travellers" :)
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My great x 3 grandmother was Ann Adams bn Stillington 1838 d/o David Adams and Susannah Lowther. she married George Harker. James Swales amd Mabel Busfield were my great x 3 grandparents also through their son Mark.
John Adams bn 1822 married?? no marriage, Christiana Stephenson bn 1821 Guisborouigh, d/o Alexander Stephenson and Catherine Hartley. Somebody was queerying who she was.
I too can't work out whether gypsy or traveller, but think mainly travellers, and what is meant by gypsy??
If anybody has photos from any of these families would be wonderful of they would post them.
Val
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My 3x great grandparents were John Adams and Christiana Stephenson. Johns brother was your David. So I think we are both of the same generation.
Lou
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Getting my Harkers mixed up ::) have modified my post - Ann married George Harker my 3 x greatgrandparents. Their son James married Christiana Swales d/o Mark Swales and Elizabeth Stephenson. So have the Adams Swales and Stephensons all travelling families.
Wondering if anybody has info on Mabel Swales who married Hannibal Adams. He was the son of Caleb Adams and Margaret Swales.
Val
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Hi everyone,
re Mary Swales born 1838 Kirkbymoorside , daughter of James Swales and Mabel Busfield. Have made enquiries at Stocktonroots have been told that the Mary Swales that married John Bowman was not the daughter of James Swales, earthenware dealer. Checked this out because I was going over my Tree. 1861 Mary is living with her parents and has a 6 month old son. After that I can't find her. Does anybody know what became of Mary as her son seems to have been brought up by James and Mabel.
Val ???
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My research shows that Mary Swales born 1840 in Stokesley to John and Lavinia Swales (nee Busfield) was the one who married John Bowman, in 1859 in Stockton.
They had two known sons; John born 1862 and Thomas born 1864, both born in Stockton-on-Tees, County Durham.
I am interested to find out more about other children to John and Lavinia Swales. I know nothing for:
Vina, or Lavinia Swales, born 1837 (appears on 1841 Census so may not be a daughter)
Christiana Swales, bap. 2 Sep 1837 in Stokesley, Yorkshire
Louisa/Lavinia Swales, born 1847 in South Stockton, Yorkshire
Margret Swales, baptised 29th Aug 1847 in Thornaby, Yorkshire.
Peter
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Thanks Peter,
Will have a look at that family. Have now found Mary Bowman with her husband in the 1861 census, she still says born Yarm. Interestingly she has a lodger John Swales who says he was born Yarm.
Val :)
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Thanks Val; I don't have the Swales-Bowman marriage certificate but it was confirmed by contacting Stockton Register Office. Of course, Mary may have been born in Yarm but actually christened in Stokesley.
A bit of a fraudulent trick was sometimes adopted whereby babies were baptised more than once; this gave the family settlement in more than one parish so at times of hardship they could possibly, if undetected, claim benefits from one or more parish.
Hmmmm!
Will get back to your email asap!
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Hi
I too have Stephenson, Harkers and Swales in my family, My surname is Adams, I have traced that my family came from Easingwold and also lived in Stokesley and Middlesborough. My great Grandfathers name was Hannibal Adams and my Grandfathers name was James Adams.
If anybody has got any information on these families, please as I am doing my family tree
Hannah
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Hello Hannah,
Wow I think we may be related. My great grandmother was Christiana Swales. Her sister was Mabel Swales and Mabel married Hannibal Adams. I have only found one daughter for them and she is also Mabel bn 1894. Christiana married James Harker.
Please let me know if this is your Adams family.
Val
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IN January 2009 Kirky 62 wrote this post:
My ancestor Hannibal swales born 1811 Yorkshire married Christiana stephenson. Their daughter laviania swales (1837) married William pattison .Their son George Pattison (1860) married Isabella Farrow.Hope this helps or someone recognises these names Lillian
George Pattison married my grandmother Isabella Farrow, they had a son Robert Pattison who was k/as Tarry Bob who lived in York.
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Hi there I noticed someone earlier mentioned a Francis family they married Stewarts I have also a Martha Wilson who got married in Yarm who married a William Stewart a lot of these people ended up in Easington Lane in Durham I also have smiths, Forrests in my family from the Stewarts side of the family who married in to these families. My problem is trying to find out who Martha Wilson parents were it states she was born in 1806 in worssip but don't know where that is also she married in 1824 in Yarm.
any help wuld be appreciated.
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Hi StocktonBobLeeds,
That's all really interesting and will be of great interest to a lot of people on this site. I am particularly interested in the Harkers which you have said were a travelling family. Can you give me some names and information on them.
Val
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Dear Stockton Bob ,
i am in contact with other descendents of the people you mention and have seen photos and other info ,i met them through my research into Wilsons and Burnsides from Kirby Moorside ,Wath ect .....
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Reference the Wilsons: This is information taken from Local Authority Census lists mostly.
1806. James Wilson from Barnsley, with his wife Harriet moved from Barnsley to Darlington. He's listed as a potter trading from a shop in Pottergate, Darlington. Children / offspring are: 1835 Margaret b. Yarm. 1837 James, 1841 William, 1843 Matthew, Thomas b Yarm, 1845 Henry, 1847 Hannah b Darlington, 1849 Harriet b Darlington [7 chidren]
1837, James Wilson, born Yarm 1837 / married Caroline, they lived in Stockton >James children are: David b.Easingwold [the father of Dave Wilson the former market supt of Guisbrough market] [then] > Robert, James Wilson [k/as Gentlemen Jim] Born in Stokesley, lived in Darlington, then moved to Carlisle, died in Carlisle. [Gentleman Jim had 2 sons Abraham and James - if anyone knows off them please let me know] > Caroline, Henry Wilson b Thornaby, Emily b Thornaby, Thomas b Thornaby and William b Middlesbrough: [James Wilson 1837 had 8 children] his son Henry see below had 10 children:
Henry Wilson married Isabella Farrow [formerly Pattinson] who when they met already had one child> Robert Bob Wilson also k/as Bob Pattinson, together they had 10 children > William, Jane [Janey] Harriet, Barbara, Jacob Wilson of Thornaby, Isabella, Florence [Florrie] Emily [Aunt Em] Caroline and Mary Elizabeth
Wilson Marriages 1920 onwards: Caroline W m. Fisher, Mary Elizabeth W m Brown William w?, Jane W m James Swales, Harriet W m Tunstall, Barbara W m T Vickers, Jacob Wilson m. Eliz Bain, Isabella W m. Thomas Honeyman, Florence W m. Joe Varey from Bradford, Emily W m. Tom Baker a well known character from York.
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Hi StocktonBobLeeds, That's all really interesting and will be of great interest to a lot of people on this site. I am particularly interested in the Harkers which you have said were a travelling family. Can you give me some names and information on them.
Val
Hi Val,
As a child I knew the Harkers well, but being a child I didn't take much notice of who they were or how come I was related to them. David Harker was a real gent - who had a scrapyard near the Transporter Bridge approach road in Middlesbrough. Blind Frankie Adams used to sit at the gate on sunny days. There was David Harker, Robert and Hannibal, there was two others both of whom still attend York Machinary Sales come hail, rain or shine, whose name escapes me. I never knew the father, but stopped with the mother and her sons in Wisbech, Cambridgshire, for a few days whilst they were fruit picking in Wisbech in 1958. The mother's name was I believe Ann Harker but everyone called her 'Nan Tut'. I was unaware that her sister was my Aunt Margaret Foster, Margaret Foster, South Bank, might have been an Adams who married ??? Foster [first name unknown] who was an abandoned child brought up as a traveller, he was informally adopted by my granddad Henry Wilson of Old Stockton and Middlesbrough. If your ever travelling on the A66, the Stockton to Darlington Road, do call in at Elton, the first house on the right is an Harker brother, you'll see their caravan in the yard, and just 400 yards away over the A66, in 'Darlington back lane', is two more Harker brothers look out for the horse boxes. Regards, Bob.
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Dear Stockton Bob , I am in contact with other descendents of the people you mention and have seen photos and other information. I met them through my research into the Wilsons and the Burnsides from Kirby Moorside ,Wath ect ..... JANEO
Hi Jane [Janeo] my post above on the Wilson's might interest you. Best regards. Bob.
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Henry and Bella Wilson
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Henry and Bella Wilson
Jane, a thousand thank you's, this photo brought tears to my eyes, Old Henry was quite a fighting man in his day, but what amazed me is how much like my Granny I look, I look more like her son than any of them!! And my two grandson in Canada also look like her double. Where are you and how do we meet? Have you any more photos? I'm in Leeds, can we send private messages on this site. It appears we must be related? Bob.
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janeo
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Hi Bob,
Thanks for the info about the Harkers. I am sure they are related somehow to my Harkers who were from Stokesley. My great x 3 grandparents were George Harker and Ann Adams of the Adams travelling family. I would sure like to go to Darlington as I have an Uncle who lives there, also a Harker. A long way from Oz.
Thanks again, Val
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Hello Val,
When I see one of the Harkers I will have a word with him and get more details for you. The winter is still upon us here and the farm machinary auctions don't commence properly until March.
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Thanks Bob that'd be great. My greatgrandfather was James Harker bn Stokesley and he moved the family to Southbank in the early 1900s.
Val ;D ;D
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Val,
Just a guess, I think James Harker was the father of Robert [Bob] Harker, whose 5- 6 sons mentioned I know by sight. South Bank is about 3 miles from Middlesbrough town centre, its bordered by a huge steelworks and the even larger ICI chemical works. A survey claimed it was the worst place in Britain to live for pollution, dust and fumes. The Harkers are full cousins to the Fosters / Adams of South Bank.
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Hi Bob,
I must say it's great to have someone recollect memories of these by gone days even if some not so good. Certainly anybody who has done family history of travellers would realise it was a hard life, especially for the women and children. And Southbank "Slaggy Island" was the place to go for work and so many of the travellers ended up there.
I am aware of the Adams being cousins of the Harkers and have been told before that the Fosters were also cousins, but never pursued that line.
Val
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Some readers on this site might find the Leeds Romany Travellers site for Leeds and Yorkshire interesting, its called the Leeds Travellers Exchange.
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My 3 x Great Grandmother was Hannah Cunningham, born 1819 in Market Weighton, daughter of Richard Cunningham & Mary Miller who were Hawkers of Pots.
Hannah married Richard Arnold, born 1817 in Malton, son of Joseph Arnold & Ann Busfield. The Arnold's were also Hawkers of Pots.
I've been unable to find the Arnold family on the 1851 census despite the fact that they seem to have been resident in Market Weighton throughout. They married there in 1841 and 2 of their children were also baptised there either side of that census so perhaps they were on their travels at that point?! The whole family are listed as Hawkers, including the children from 1861 onwards.
Richard is an interesting one as after Hannah's death in 1880, you can find him on the 1881 census staying with his sister Susannah Davey (another Hawking family) in Bridlington. By 1891 he is in a caravan near York with a 'wife' Elizabeth who is in her 70's and a 'daughter' Katharine who is around 17, so something doesn't quite add up there as there is no re marriage and Katharine was not a daughter born to his first wife Hannah! I've not been able to fathom who these 2 people actually are as Richard was buried with Hannah in Market Weighton when he died.
The inter-marrying really is mind boggling isn't it! 2 of the Arnold daughter's married 2 Swales brothers (sons of Jeremiah) and Susannah Davey's daughter also married a Swales!
I'd love to hear from anyone else connected to the Cunningham/Arnold branch :)
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There was a traveller / hawker / gyspy / called Cunningham from Hull, who won the VC in 1917, during the Great War of 1914- 1918 [RIP] Look up VC winners, there all listed on Google. My lot were the Wilson's from Stockton, Darlington and York, they seemed to roam from York to Kirbymoorside, and from York via Thirsk to Stockton and Darlington. This was during the 1850 to 1900 period. They would have all known each other as Market Weighton is not that far away from York. Why they stopped at Kirbymoorside I don't know as there's now't there. Maybe they were heading for a week out at Whitby and it was a convenient halt for the horses, which was the half way point between York and Whitby.
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Thanks for that info, I'll look him up. I'm sure he'll be related somehow!
I believe Richard Cunningham (4 x Great Grandfather) had a sister named Grace who maried a John Wilson (any relation to your Wilson's?) in Thorne in 1814.
Their daughter, Elizabeth Wilson married Jeremiah Swales! Confused? I am!
Grace Cunningham/Wilson was hit by a train and killed at a level crossing in Beverley when she was in her 80's, she was still described as being a Hawker of Pots
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I'm currently looking into my Cunningham ancestors from Middlesbrough. The furthest back I can get is to a John Cunningham born 1832 in Scarborough so he may originate from the same people being discussed in this thread. Does anyone have info on this John? I know he mustve moved to Middlesbrough at some point, Linthorpe area specifically and he married Margaret Cunningham (nee unknown) there. I fear he must've died young(ish) as Margaret later re-married.
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Hi there I am related to john vc he is my great great uncle
Please can someone contact me if they have found anymore info. I'm a cunningham ancestor (my mother until she married)
Thanks
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CUNNINGHAM,VC.
A brave feat, he attacked 10 WW1 German troops single handedly and killed all 10.
All VC awards are posted on the internet with a citation record, see below for citation.
In the 1940 period my father used to say (this is hearsay and may not be correct) John came back to Hull a VC hero, bought a horse and cart, painted on the back of it Cunninham VC, Metal dealer, Hull. and went out tatting. He had a habit of getting drunk whilst in charge of an horse and cart but he would not be arrested because ' after all he was a VC'.
Firms loved dealing with him as the VC carried a lot of weight in 1918 -1938, as it does today. I think he died quiet young, There's a school he attended of Holderness Road, Hull, which contains a plaque for him as 'one of the old Boys and a VC Winner'. See Wiki ; quote as follows.
*John Cunningham VC (28 June 1897 – 21 February 1941) was an English recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces. John was born in Swains Yard off Manley Street, Scunthorpe and was the eldest son of Charles and Mary Cunningham. Cunningham was 19 years old, and a private in the 12th (Service) Battalion, (the Hull Sportsmen's Pals battalion), The East Yorkshire Regiment, 31st Division during the First World War, at the Battle of the Somme, when the following deed took place for which he was awarded the VC. On 13 November 1916, the opening day of the Battle of the Ancre (the final offensive of the Battle of the Somme), attacking from opposite Hebuterne the 31st Division was to seize the German trenches and form a defensive flank north of Serre. After the enemy's front line had been captured, Private Cunningham went with a bombing section up a communication trench where much opposition was met and all the rest of the section were either killed or wounded. Collecting all the bombs from the casualties Private Cunningham went on alone and when he had used up all the bombs he had he returned for a fresh supply and again went up the communication trench where he met a party of 10 Germans. He killed all 10 and cleared the trench up to the new line.
His Victoria Cross is displayed at York Regimental Museum, England.
John was married to Eva Harrison in Jun 1917 at Hull and had two children, Annie who died in infancy and John who was born in 1920 at Hull. John Cunningham died 20 February 1941 at 5 Beaufort Terrace Campbell Street Hull aged 43 years and his funeral took place in Hull on 24 February 1941, John is buried in grave No: 17509, compartment No; 180 at the Western Cemetery Hull.
** Pathe New are selling a vidoo of him with his family for £30.00 'see Pathe wwwsite.
** Hull Victoria Cross Winners Memorial (Photos of memorial)
Private John Cunningham VC
2nd Lieutenant John Harrison VC MC
Boatswain John Sheppard VC CGM
Sergeant William Bernard Traynor VC
EAST YORKSHIRE REGIMENT / SEE . HULLS PALS /
The Hull Pals won two Victoria Crosses in the First World War. They were awarded to Pte John Cunningham of the Hull Sportsmen battalion on the 13th November 1916 for his heroic actions in the Battle of the Somme and 2nd Lt. John Harrison of the Hull Tradesmen in Oppy, France on the 3 May 1917. 2nd Lt. John Harrison was tragically killed in the assault that led to his award. His wife Lillian was presented with his Victoria Cross at Buckingham Palace by King George V in 1918.
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PRIVATE JOHN CUNNINGHAM VC. HULL.
FOR THE HULL LIBRARY PHOTO. Please see // http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/museumcollections/collections/storydetail.php?irn=193&master=199
**** No 12/21 Pte John Cunningham VC 12th (S) Btn. East Yorkshire Regt.
The date was November 13, 1916. In the muddy hell that was the front line trenches of France Pte Cunningham became a hero.
The official citation published in the London Gazette, would record that he received the highest award for "for most conspicuous bravery and resource during operations."
The citation took up the story "... Pte Cunningham proceeded with a bombing section up a communication trench. Much opposition was encountered and the rest of the section became casualties.
"Collecting all the bombs from the casualties, this gallant soldier went on alone. Having expended all his bombs, he then returned for a fresh supply and again proceeded to the communication trench, where he met a party of ten of the enemy. These he killed and cleared the trench up to the enemy line.
"His conduct throughout the day was magnificent."
The narrative of that day in records of the 12th Battalion gives a more detailed insight into the horror of trench warfare...
"The trenches had been so blown about that it was impossible to make them really defensive. The Germans counter-attacked in force, twice during the day from the left, but were annihilated by our Lewis guns.
"The whole day was spent in fighting small parties, bombers and snipers.
"In the evening as there was a danger of being surrounded, it was decided to withdraw, the last party retiring about 8.45pm."
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Thanks for all that info! Very interesting! I'm trying to work out how he is connected therefore to my grandad William cunningham (1 of 5 brothers and 4 sisters.) I believe he was my granada uncle but it can't be right unless his son john had children? Do you know if he did?
Thanks
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Yes he had a son also called John Cunningham.
A daughter died soon after birth, so your looking for son Johns offspring.
Try at a guess www / search HULL MAIL, VC Winners Son Dies In?
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Does anyone know is john cunningham vc had any brothers as I'm assuming that's my grandads father?
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Or a sister and therefore his mother. His mother was Mary Anne
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hi all.
i am a cunningham from leeds and have lots of info.i have info back to 1770 and a tree on line.i also have info on burnsides francis and halls.
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Or a sister and therefore his mother. His mother was Mary Anne
johns father charles cunningham b 1861
mother mary anne cunningham b1862
son mathew born 1902
it is not uncommon for them to marry into same family
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CUNNINGHAM baptisms in YKS. The other half will be added if anyone asks for them.
YKS.BEV Beverley St Mary & St Nicholas bp11/8/1833 James s/o William/Elizabeth, potter of Rockliffe nr Snaith [COYNGHAM sic]
YKS.BEV Blacktoft bp15/12/1850 Magdalene d/o Richard/Mary, tinner of ‘Eight & Forty’
YKS.BEV Bridlington bp24/2/1841 Mary d/o James/Mary, lab of B
YKS.SHF Carbrook bp11/3/1877 Nan d/o Benjamin/Mary, hkr of Danloss Street
YKS.WKF Castleford All Saints bp8/4/1849 John s/o John/Alice, pt.hkr of Rawcliffe
YKS.WKF Castleford All Saints bp22/4/1849 Richard s/o Thomas/Ann, pt.slr of Rawcliffe
YKS.WKF Castleford All Saints bp30/3/1851 Joseph s/o John/Alice, pt.dlr of Allerton
YKS.YRK Cawood bp27/3/1803 James s/o William/Isabella, tinker
YKS.YRK Cawood bp28/4/1805 James s/o William/Isabella, tinker
YKS.YRK Cawood bp13/5/1807 Elizabeth d/o Richard/Hannah (late wife) tinker
YKS.DON Doncaster St George bp30/8/1863 James s/o Thomas/Grace, e-w.dlr of Marshgate
YKS.DON Doncaster St George bp17/8/1864 Mary Anne d/o -/Margaret, so in Marshgate
YKS.DON Doncaster St George bp19/8/1864 Mary d/o james/Margaret, hkr of Fishergate
YKS.BEV Filey bp9/11/1836 Jno s/o James/Mary, a tramp of Gristthorpe
YKS.BEV Gt Driffield bp10/6/1841 Jane d/o James/Mary, potter of Gt.D
YKS.BEV Gt Driffield bp19/9/1846 Mary d/o James/Mary, from Knottingley, potter of Gt.D
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp22/2/1830 Jane d/o Henry/Elizabeth, potter of G.
YKS.BEV Halsham bp19/10/1828 Joseph s/o James/Mary, hkr of H
YKS.YRK Heworth bp6/10/1846 John s/o William/Margaret [Ø]
YKS.DON Hatfield bp18/11/1866 William s/o Richard/Mary, tinner of Bearswood
YKS.BEV Howden bp21/2/1813 William s/o Joseph/Hannah, potter of H
YKS.BEV Howden bp30/5/1841 Ann d/o Thomas/Ann, pt.dlr of H
YKS.BEV Hunmanby bp2/3/1835 Thomas s/o John/Ellen, pedlar trav’g
YKS.YRK Huntingdon bp16/7/1833 Ann Greg d/o Henry/Margery, e-w.dlr of H
YKS.CLE (Hutton) Rudby bp28/2/1802 Elizabeth d/o James/Mabel (noi)
YKS.CLE (Hutton) Rudby bp30/1/1823 James Busfield s/o James/Mabel, e-w.hkr of Hutton
YKS.NLN Kirkby Moorside bp17/8/1806 (b10/8) Diana 1st ch of Robert (of Bp. Auckland, s/o Henry of Bp. Auckland)/Ann (d/o James of Penrith/Chrisiana [née MILLER] WALKER)
YKS.NLN Kirkby Moorside bp31/3/1807 (b17/3) Henry 1st ch of James/Isabella [née BUSFIELD] it.potter
YKS.NLN Kirkby Moorside bp31/3/1807 (b17/3) Ann 1st dau & 2nd ch of James/Isabella [née
BUSFIELD] it.potter
YKS.NLN Kirkby Moorside bp11/12/1808 (b29/11) John s/o John/Mabel [née BUSFIELD]
YKS.NLN Kirkby Moorside bp18/1/1815 Robert s/o James/Mabel, pt.dlr of K.M
YKS.NLN Kirkby Moorside bp1/2/1817 James s/o James/Mabel, pt.dlr of K.M. belonging to Bp
Auckland
YKS.NLN Kirkby Moorside bp28/8/1828 Mabel d/o Henry (potman, s/o James/Mabel)/Betsy
(d/o Thomas/Jane SWALES) of K.M
YKS.NLN Kirkby Moorside bp10/9/1828 Thomas s/o Thomas/Ellen, of poor house, K.M
YKS.NLN Kirkby Ravensworth bp16/4/1810 (b9/4) Hamilton s/o Henry/Jane, of Bp Auckland
YKS.WKF Knottingley St Botolph bp18/9/1843 Daniel s/o Thomas/Ann, e-w.dlr of K
YKS.YRK Market Weighton bp16/5/1819 Hannah d/o Richard/Mary, pottery dlr from Selby
YKS.YRK Market Weighton bp21/3/1821 Grace d/o Richard/Mary, pottery dlr of Hunslet in the psh of Wigift [Whitgift]
YKS.YRK Market Weighton bp7/8/1836 Benjamin s/o James/Mary, potter [CONINGHAM sic]
YKS.YRK Market Weighton bp5/5/1839 Thomas s/o James/Mary, pt.dlr of Winton CML
YKS.YRK Market Weighton bp6/8/1843 Ann d/o William/Elizabeth, pt.dlr of WML
YKS.NLN Middleton (by Pickering) bp21/7/1834 William s/o James/Mary, a labouring banker of the township of Wrelton, Carr Lane
YKS.BEV North Cave bp23/4/1815 Lizzy d/o Henry/Jane, pt.dlr of Bp Auckland, DUR
YKS.BEV North Cave bp10/4/1831 (b29/3) Hannah d/o James/Mary, hkr of no fixed residence
YKS.BEV North Dalton bp9/4/1815 Jane d/o Richard/Mary, potter of Ouseleets in Marshland
YKS.YRK Norton (by Malton) bp1/7/1866 Benjamin s/o Joseph/Jane, hkr of N
YKS.YRK Norton (by Malton) bp20/4/1873 Alexander s/o Joseph/Jane, hkr of Wolt St
YKS.NLN Pateley Bridge bp24/9/1821 Henry s/o Henry/Jane, e-w.dlr on a journey, of Bp Auckland DUR
YKS.NLN Pickering bp16/12/1804 Lavinia d/o Henry/Carolina
YKS.NLN Pickering bp4/10/1833 James s/o Henry/Elizabeth, potter of P.
YKS.NLN Pickering bp16/6/1838 Robert s/o Henry/Elizabeth, potter of P.
YKS.YRK Pocklington bp22/2/1826 Ann d/o James/Mary, pt.slrs, trav’g people
YKS.YRK Pocklington bp24/9/1845 Thomas s/o Benjamin/Lavinia, potters
YKS.YRK Pocklington bp14/10/1860 Hannah d/o James/Jane, potter
YKS.YRK Pocklington bp17/11/1865 Mary Jane d/o James/Jane, potter of P.
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hi im bobby swales
every now and again i think ill try and look up the family tree
and then i come to a place like this ,,
its this is where things get confuseing so then i stop
now my father was robert swales born 9/ 11/ 1925 died 23/ 5 /1989
and brother to , john lilly , ann , hanna , mary
son to . james swales / nancy swales
is this branch of the family in any of your trees
i just rember cunningham and moors that have been mentioned
but rember him mentioning ayres
and he came to somerset with hes cousen don small
i know theres family in blackpool .. the smalls
and i rember him mention the irish family .. cant rember names .. but he said they come from killkenny
does this ring a bell with anyone ?
oh and morrison .. it was a name he used
i rember as a kid when he and me mother got in a barny she would always call him robert morrison .. haha
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(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/182169_3551822154462_1698114433_n.jpg)
robert swales
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Hi Bobby,
If you want to trace your family maybe you should start by getting the marriage certificate of your parents. It may give you information to look further back.
Val
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hello everyone i am new 2 this site not 2 clever with computer so pls bare with me , im descended from swales and quite a few other travellin familys mentioned on this site . i know a few tales of swales from malton and its nice 2 know theirs others interested.
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Hi Jadz1975,
If you would like to post your Swales and other travelling family connections on this site am sure it would be welcomed by Rootschatters. We are always looking for information about them.
Cheers Val :) :)
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hi im bobby swales
every now and again i think ill try and look up the family tree
and then i come to a place like this ,,
its this is where things get confuseing so then i stop
now my father was robert swales born 9/ 11/ 1925 died 23/ 5 /1989
and brother to , john lilly , ann , hanna , mary
son to . james swales / nancy swales
is this branch of the family in any of your trees
i just rember cunningham and moors that have been mentioned
but rember him mentioning ayres
and he came to somerset with hes cousen don small
i know theres family in blackpool .. the smalls
and i rember him mention the irish family .. cant rember names .. but he said they come from killkenny
does this ring a bell with anyone ?
oh and morrison .. it was a name he used
i rember as a kid when he and me mother got in a barny she would always call him robert morrison .. haha
Bobby I'm doing my family tree too, we have the same relatives and my aunt Shiela remembers you she said you used to go to her mam's Lilly Swales when ya were young!Did you get any further on with your tree?!
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hi im bobby swales
every now and again i think ill try and look up the family tree
and then i come to a place like this ,,
its this is where things get confuseing so then i stop
now my father was robert swales born 9/ 11/ 1925 died 23/ 5 /1989
and brother to , john lilly , ann , hanna , mary
son to . james swales / nancy swales
is this branch of the family in any of your trees
i just rember cunningham and moors that have been mentioned
but rember him mentioning ayres
and he came to somerset with hes cousen don small
i know theres family in blackpool .. the smalls
and i rember him mention the irish family .. cant rember names .. but he said they come from killkenny
does this ring a bell with anyone ?
oh and morrison .. it was a name he used
i rember as a kid when he and me mother got in a barny she would always call him robert morrison .. haha
Bobby I'm doing my family tree too, we have the same relatives and my aunt Shiela remembers you she said you used to go to her mam's Lilly Swales when ya were young!Did you get any further on with your tree?!
;D
tried to send you a pm .
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These are people in my family tree. Any connection to you? Have been wondering for a while now if my Cunningham people were Romany as well.
Jacob Winter
My 2nd cousin 2x removed
Birth ABT 1885 in South Stockton (Thornaby), North Yorkshire, England
Death Apr 4 1966 in Guisborough, Yorkshire, England
married to
Christiana Swales
wife of 2nd cousin 2x removed
Birth Apr 1888 in Hartlepool, Durham, England
Death Mar 3 1956 in Guisborough, Yorkshire, England
My great grandfather was William Winter
Birth 16 May 1859 in Leeds, Yorkshire, England
In the UK 1901 census address includes 'caravan'
married to Ann Cunningham
Birth 05 Feb 1856 in 12 Victoria Street, Derby, Derbyshire, England
Ann's father was James Cunningham
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hello Johnny im replying to your post although i know its over 3 years old and you probably have all the info you need by now, but i wanted to confirm to you that yes these smiths are from gypsy stock and a hard lot to trace but me dads graet granny was mary smith born whitby abt 1860 she was daughter of thomas smith abt 1818 falsgrave, All my family are gyspsys and we still live this way of life today , mary married into another romany family , adams who are also realted many times to me and marys mother was a morrison another romany family, and then you have the swales and the whartons all linked not only this way to my family but over and over as cousins married cousins throughout , i know you will probably have also this info already but just wanted to let you know that yes these families are 100% romany and still are today, best wishes kath
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Dear Shadow winter
Jacob winter was my ggrandad and christiana swales was my ggranny
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Hi Sofia...
Your Jacob Winter b.1885 is my 2nd cousin 2x removed, married to Christiana Swales b.1888. My 2nd great grandfather is Andrew Winter b.abt 1824, is brother to Jacob Winter b.abt 1831. Their parents are John Winter & Sarah. My grandfather was Andrew Winter (married to Grace Mary Longbottom) son of William Winter married to Ann Cunningham. We are some big family! ;)
Nice to meet you!! :)
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Hi Shadowinter.
Nice to meet you also :)
Big Family as my other side of the family is Adams,
My name is actually Jane,I live in North Yorkshire
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Jane,
I've got the Adams in several places too.
Robert "Bedale Bob" Adams (1860 - )
husband of 3rd cousin 3x removed
Hannah Wilson (1872 - )
my 3rd cousin 3x removed
Christine in Chicago
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Hi I am an Adams before I got married,My father Sydney was born in Stokesley 1938,His parents were Elizabeth Winter(daughter of Jacob winter and Christiana Swales)and Frank Adams (son of Sydney Adams and Mary Grange of Stokesley)....I am new to this site as my father is no longer with us I have to rely on others for information
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Hi
I too have Stephenson, Harkers and Swales in my family, My surname is Adams, I have traced that my family came from Easingwold and also lived in Stokesley and Middlesborough. My great Grandfathers name was Hannibal Adams and my Grandfathers name was James Adams.
If anybody has got any information on these families, please as I am doing my family tree
hannah
Hiya Hannah
My Dad was Sydney Adams (1938-2007)born in Stokesley his father was Frank Adams who had 2 brothers James Adams and Caleb Adams.Their Father was called Sydney Adams but unfortunetly he died young.My great Granny(Mary Grange)remarried my great grandads brother James Adams,Sorry I don't have and dates.
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Hi Christine Got a bit more info for you My great Grandad jacob Winter had a step brother called Tom Baker they had the same mother different dads xx
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Hi Kath, thanks for getting in touch about the smith family in falsgrave, Scarborough. I have managed to do a little research not enough tho. Just that they where earthenware hawkers and they lived in houses I think?! Don't know if you know of any extra info I don't know about?! I'm related through Sarah smith daughter of William smith sister of Thomas smith from Scarborough. She married William Wharton. That's cool that I can now say I have gypsy heritage. I'm rather proud of that. So you still live the gypsy way of life in what circumstances. Do you have a site or travel? Thanks for getting back to my message I really appreciate it.
Regards Johnny
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Hi An55
My 3 x Grandfather was William Rhodes a Horse Dealer/General Dealer from the Romany family who married firstly into the Barber family and then the Beeney family and travelled Sussex and Hampshire.
Do you know of any of your Yorkshire Rhodes moving South?
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Just to let you know that Robert (Bedale Bob) & Hannah were my grandparents, my mothers parents. feel free to forward an info or pictures you may have as it would be interesting to learn more.
thanks
Also... Does anyone have any info about David (Alexander) Swales born 1914 Scarborough.
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do you mean Robert beadle bob adams he was my grandad
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Hello David was my grans younger brother, but I think Alex was just name he used,
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Hi,
Thanks for the reply, good to hear from you. Do you happen to have any other info about the Swales especially David as we are trying to put a few things together any photos would be great or any further info. Thanks a lot.
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Hello I don't have any photos of David, I know he was married more than once and had children but I don't know them, are you related to David ? The Swales are descended off Jeremiah from kirkbymoorside , he married Elizabeth Cunningham Wilson,I too would like to see some old photos of the Swales or adams, if any one on this site as them, it would be good to see some of the old ancesters.
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Posted on behalf of EML
"Look on page 3 4 5 there is photo of Richard Swales (wife and children) son of Hanibal and Christiana"
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Hello thanks for info
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Hi
I am very much related to this line! My Gt Gran was Margaret Potter - her father was Aquila Potter who was the son of Christiana Morrison. Christiana's mother was Hannah, daughter of Francis and Christiana. I would love to get in touch with the person who posted that photo if possible??
Thank you
Darren
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Hi there - I do would like to make touch with the poster of the photo of Richard Swales, and his sister, Hannah Swales (Pattison, 1844-1895) is my gggg grandmother.
Thank you in advance,
Petert
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jadz1975 - Hi, sorry I haven't been in touch, I had lost your e-mail and I now have a new one if you want to get in touch.
Just to let you know I have found my dad's and grandparent's grave.
On my dad's grave, there were two names netioned, Thomas and Ida ( not his wife) woulod you know who they were?
Hope you are all well
Mrs Green
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Welcome Back Mrs Green ;D
I will merge your two profiles together for you.
Regards
Sarah
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Hello mrs green I sent you a private message, let me know you received it ok,
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Val apparently Swales family married into the Crow family, they are fairground people, and are still round today.
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Thanks for letting me know. Interesting.
Val :) :)
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Hello nice photo the man bottom right seems to be wearing a military hat and clothing? Or is it my eyesight.
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Hi there
I noticed you replied to someone regarding the Ross family from Bishop Auckland, i have an extensive tree on them on Ancestry.UK, do you have much info on them?
Many thnks
Colin
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Hi there
I have done an extensive tree on the Ross family complete with a picture of Alexander's headstone in Bishop Auckland Cemetery. Please contact me for a chat.
Best wishes.
Colin.
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Do the Ross family connect to Abigale Burnside? Or Mary Ross who married John Swales?
Thank you.
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Hi there
I have 9 Mary Ross' on my tree, but sadly i have yet to find them possible husbands, with one dying at age 11, so who knows.
Colin
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Thank you ... perhaps one day.
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Ifran, whats your email address? I think my great grandma and your grandad are brother and sister.
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Not sure of this has been mentioned, but in another topic we found this early record, possibly related to some of these families ?
From Topic: Swales Forest
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=747043.36
Swale Forrest
Christened
15th April 1771
Father, Thos Forrest
Lee Saint John, Northumberland
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5T9-XJ8
Possible marriage for the above Thomas
1766
Thomas Forrester
Spouse's Name Jane Swales
Lee Saint John, Northumberland
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6G6-998
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My Gt Gt Grandad Thomas Rhodes married a Jane Cunningham b.cir 1854 York married 1871 Hull.
Cant find her. Have found a travelling family tinmen/dealers/hawkers repeatedly married into the Swales Family which married into the Rhodes a generation earlier.
Looking for anyone with connections to Benjjamin Cunningham, Magdalena Cunningham married Thomas Swales and his sister Mary Swales married Richard Cunningham. Thomas and Mary Swales hailed from Kirkby Moorside Yorks, the children of James Swales and Esther Sowdon. Other children included Jeremiah who married Elizabeth Cunningham Wilson, and Hannibal who married Prudence.
Christiana Swales married Thomas Rhodes Snr.
Hello, James Swales and Esther Sowdon are my direct ancestors. My great grandfathers great grandparents. I’m a Swales still.
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Hi, don't know if I'm too late to the party, but I have Elizabeth Cunningham Wilson and Jeremiah Swales in my tree. My tree is mainly the Cunninghams and the Wilsons but many intermarried with the Swales family