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Title: Albert Veale
Post by: Dannemois on Sunday 25 May 08 16:41 BST (UK)

Can someone help locate Albert Veale on the 1901C

Known Info:
Born: c.1895
Parents: Alfred & Elizabeth Veale

Thanks
Roy

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: Mum44 on Sunday 25 May 08 16:50 BST (UK)

Hello Roy

1901 census Wales  Rg13.  P. 4942 Fol. 107 Pg. 35
Living Bedwelty

VEALE
Alfred  head  M  44  Coal Miner Hewer  B.  Glam. Pontypridd
Elizabeth  Wife  M  40                           B. Mon. Rhymney
Elizabeth H  Dau  20                             B. Brecs. Beaufort
Martha  Dau  18     Coal Cleaner above ground B.  ~  ~
David Geo  Son  12  Coal Miner Hewer  B. Mon, New Tredegar
Alfred  son  11                 B. Glam. Pontypridd
John William Son 9                ~        ~
Albert  son  7                         ~       ~

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: Dannemois on Sunday 25 May 08 17:53 BST (UK)

Thanks for that, the place of birth makes interesting reading, they moved around a bit.  Please can locate the family in 1891.

Many thanks
Roy

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: Mum44 on Sunday 25 May 08 18:07 BST (UK)

Hi Roy

1891 Census for Wales :  RG12. P. 4413 Fol. 100 Pg. 14

Address : 8 Tymawr Rod, Llanwonne, Glam

VEAL   (NB> no E on the end)

Humphrey  Head  M  36  Collier  B. Pontypridd
Elizabeth  Wife  M  36                 B. Rhymney
Francis  Son  12    Scholar           B. Brecon
Elizabeth H  Dau  10   ~              B. Brecon
Martha  Dau  8            ~             B. Tredegar
David G  Son  3                           B. Brecon
Humphrey  son  6 mth.               B. Hopkinston, Glam

Wonder why the two Alfred's are Humphrey   ???
I looked up the birth reg. for the younger:
Alfred Veal  Q4. 1890 Pontypridd.
No mention of Humphrey  ???

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: Dannemois on Sunday 25 May 08 18:13 BST (UK)

Thanks Ady

Best regards
Roy

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: Dannemois on Thursday 26 June 08 19:59 BST (UK)

1881 Census: Llangattock, Brecon.  RG11/5464/101/15
Alfred Veale, HD, M, 28, Coal miner, Glamorgan
Elizabeth Veale, WI, M, Rhymney
Francis Veale, SO, 2, Rhymney

Marriages Sept 1878
Veal Alfred, Bedwellty, 11a 130
Jones Elizabeth, on same page.

Can someone please check where Alfred & Elizabeth were on the 1871

Thanks
Roy

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: Mum44 on Thursday 26 June 08 23:45 BST (UK)

Hello Roy

1871 :  RG10. 5586  Fol. 44 Pg. 5

Trevil Row, Llangattock

Harriet Veal  Head  Mar  37  Charwoman  B.  Somerset, Hathtree
Alfred Veal  Son  14         Coal Miner   B.  Glamorgan, Rhywndden (?)
Emma Veal  Dau  7  Scholar   B.  Somerset, Sutton


I'm afraid I can't see an Elizabeth Jones born Rhymney, or living in Llangattock.

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: Dannemois on Friday 27 June 08 10:46 BST (UK)

Thanks MUM

Please can you help locate the Veale [Veal] family on the 1861/51

Regards
Roy

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: Mum44 on Friday 27 June 08 10:58 BST (UK)

Hi  Roy

Here they are in 1861

RG9. P. 4049  Fol. 19  Pg. 1

Rhondda Rd.  Llanwonno

VEAL
Francis  Head  M  24  Collier  B. Stone, Somerset
Harriet  Wife    M  25              B. Easthorptree, Somerset
Alfred  Son  4                         B. Llanwonno, Glam

I suspect they weren't married in 1851 - I'll see what I can find.

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: Mum44 on Friday 27 June 08 11:16 BST (UK)

This looks like Francis' family in 1851:

HO107.  P.1938  Fol. 148  P. 9

Stoney Mill, Stowey, Somt.

VEAL
Francis  Head  M  49  Ag Lab  B.  Somt. Knighton Sutton
Hester  Wife  M  44                B. Somt. Chew Magna
Francis  Son  12                     B.  Somt.  Sutton
Christiana  Dau  11                B. Somt.    ?  ?
Martha  Dau  9                       B. Somt.  Stowey
John  Son  7                                    ~           ~
Mary  Dau  5                                   ~         ~
George  Son  11 mths.                   ~           ~


I looked for a marriage for Francis Veal between 1851 and 1861 with a Harriet on the page and found:

Francis Veal  married  Q1. 1857  Merthyr Tydfil  Vol. 11a  Pg. 371
Harriet Farrow on the page

I'll now go see if I can find a matching Harriet  Farrow b. 1834 in Somerset.

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: Mum44 on Friday 27 June 08 11:39 BST (UK)

1851:  HO107.  P. 1938  Fol. 72  Pg. 9

Shrole Hamlet, East Harptree

FARROW
Joanne  Head  M  53  Ag Labs wife  B.  Somt. Chewton Mendip
Alfred  Son  Un  24  Ag Lab          B. Somt. East Harptree
Harriet  Dau  Un  15                            ~         ~
Benjamin Valer  g/son  4              B. Somt. Chewstoke


1841 :  HO107.  P. 967/13  Fol. 10 Pg. 14

Shrole, East Harptree

FARR   (image clearly Farr)

Benjamin  45  Ag Lab
Joanna    40
Alfred  14
Elizabeth  8
Harriet  5

all born county.

I can't see father in 1851, although Joanna says married.

However,  there is a Benj. Farr aged 65 Wid. living in Kingston, Surrey.  Says just   B. Somersetshire.

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: Mum44 on Friday 27 June 08 13:42 BST (UK)

Roy -

With help from Gadget - it seems possible - only possible, mind - that Elizabeth in 1871 was this family:

1871 :RG10.  P. 5329  Fol. 21  Pg. 2

9 Clarence Row, Bedwelty

JONES
Edward  Head  M  56  Miner
Mary  Wife  M  47
John  Son  Un  27   Miner
David  Son  Un  24  Collier
Mary  Dau  Un  22  Drawing trams Pidworth Mine
Edward  Son  Un  20  Collier
Elizabeth  Dau  14   Picking slags Mardy Coal Pit
Richard  Son  11  Collier

Those in blue were born Monmouth, Rhymney, the others all born Cardiganshire, Aberystwyth

This is the closest we could get - and is based only on them living in Bedwelty, were the marriage took place.  Best you get Elizabeth and Alfred's marriage certificate and check her father's details  ;D

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: Dannemois on Friday 27 June 08 16:24 BST (UK)

Thanks MUM

Youv'e done brilliant, thanks for the time and effort, it is appreciated

Regards
Roy

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: lyndonv on Tuesday 28 October 14 01:32 GMT (UK)

 Hi roy. By some strange coincidence we seem to be looking at the same family. The veales. Do you have any info onthem living in bargoed. If so i may be on the right track. Regards lyndon

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: Dannemois on Tuesday 28 October 14 11:29 GMT (UK)

Hi Lyndonv
First I have to say I am not related to the Veale family. I became interested in Albert Veale whilst researching the WW1 soldiers of the village of Brithdir and I use the census as a means of background information.  This is what I wrote about Albert.
 
Albert Veale, Private 1700, Welch Regiment, 2nd Battalion was killed in action on 14 July 1915.  He was the son of coalminer Alfred Veale and wife Elizabeth of 10 James Street, Brithdir.   Francis Veal, agricultural labourer of Stone, Somerset was responsible for the Veale [Veal] family migrating to Wales.  He came to the Rhondda Valley where he found work as a collier and where is first born son Alfred was born.  Alfred married Elizabeth Jones of Rhymney in 1878 and typical of that era the birthplace of ones children reflects the movement in search of work.  Beaufort, New Tredegar, Hopkinston, and Pontypridd are the towns and villages where Albert Veale and his siblings were born.

Regards, Roy

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: lyndonv on Tuesday 28 October 14 11:55 GMT (UK)

Thankyou very much, very helpfull. Regards lyndon.

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: iolaus on Tuesday 29 March 16 19:35 BST (UK)

Quote from: Mum44 on Friday 27 June 08 11:16 BST (UK)

I looked for a marriage for Francis Veal between 1851 and 1861 with a Harriet on the page and found:

Francis Veal  married  Q1. 1857  Merthyr Tydfil  Vol. 11a  Pg. 371
Harriet Farrow on the page

I'll now go see if I can find a matching Harriet  Farrow b. 1834 in Somerset.

Old thread but just came across it

Harriet was my 4th time great aunt and a few of her family also end up down in the Valleys her nephew John is down in Mountain Ash and in 1901 they have a boarder James Vowle - which now I'm wondering if they are actually a Veale

Title: Re: Albert Veale
Post by: lyndonv on Wednesday 30 March 16 20:28 BST (UK)

Hi can anyone get any information concerning the family of Albert vales family. As I think my grandfather john veale from barged were related. Can't really remember him as he died when I was very young. His wife name was Mary, and they had 2 sons. Les and my father Roy. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Lyndon.